The PROCESS of SALVATION.

[Ronald Nolette]

There is NO process. Not to salvation.

There is a process of salvation coming to all who are called; there is a process to God revealing everything about salvation; and there is even a process for those born of the spirit of God after they receive salvation. But when salvation comes--THERE IS NO PROCESS--it comes when not expected, and when it does, it comes "in the twinkling of an eye."

That is the reason for all the past tense language use in the scriptures since salvation first came at Pentecost.

The process that does occur is not of salvation occurring, but of the lead up to it coming. So, yes, there is a process to being called, chosen, drawn, of belief, of coming unto one's self--which are all rightly part of death. Not that salvation comes at death necessarily, although many die in their sins never knowing or receiving salvation until they pass from this life. But the death that I am referring to is rather the process of delivering everyone ever born unto the death God declared from the beginning, saying "but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die" (Genesis 2:17). That is, with each person partaking and dying in their own time. Or as Paul alluded to this mostly mistaken issue, "but each one in his own order" (1 Corinthians 15:23). Just as it is common to refer to "back in the day" or refer to a persons whole life as "in their day", that is also true of God saying "in that day" ("in that day you eat of it"). That is the process of everyone (in their own "day") entering into sin and death. Wherein "many are called but few are chosen" by God. Only few, because some like "seed fall by the wayside; and the birds came and devoured them. Some fall on stony places on...and some fall on good ground", etc. Which speaks of the process of some eventually coming to salvation. Still, salvation hasn't happened yet--that's just the process leading up to it. And it is on this path of believing and following Christ that one can still loose their salvation opportunity--before it happens.

Jesus explained this and gave many parables as examples, even making examples of his own disciples and apostles. When Jesus presented many "followers" and "believers" with a hard story--that of needing to eat his flesh and drink his blood--many left off from following him. "Then Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you also want to go away?” Peter then alluded to the dividing line between eternal death and eternal life, saying, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life." Which was an example of the dividing line where salvation is attained or not.

But when salvation comes as Jesus explained it would come, as he said, "Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me" At which point the "process" is complete, for this is where it is no longer we who live, but Christ who lives in us (Galatians 2:20). Which is that "day and hour no one knows" except the Father. Which may come at the hour of our physical death, or while we are seemingly still alive--as Paul alluded to, referring to "we who are alive and remain"--alive in God, but yet remaining in this world and in the flesh...to do "good works." This is the time of which Jesus spoke, saying, "I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand." Eternal. Salvation--actual salvation--is "eternal" (forever).

I have given some of the chapter and verse references, but not all. But please look them up, because it is like a string of fine pearls "precept upon precept, line upon line, here a little there a little."

And that is the "process"--not of salvation--but the process leading up to it, wherein we are counseled to "persevere unto the end."

And what is necessary for one to know in order to get saved?

 

[ScottA]

why does Jesus command men to teach us? mt 28:19

Christ and His apostolic church are one in unity! mt 28:19-20
acts 9:4 eph 5:32

The Holy Spirit leads the apostles into all truth (Jn 16:13) they must teach us! (Matt 28:19)

"christians are instructed in yhe faith"!
Lk 1:4
Matt 5:14
Matt 6:33
matt 16:18-19
matt 18:17-18
Matt 28:19
Lk 10:16
Jn 20:21
Acts 2:42
Acts 16:17
Acts 8:31
Titus 1:9
Titus 2:12
Phil 4:9
1 tim 3:15
Colossians 2:7
Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught…


Don't listen to men?

Jesus commands us to listen and obey men!

Men are commanded by Christ to teach and sanctify all men unto eternal salvation! mt 28:19

The witnesses of Jesus Christ!
acts 1:8

He who hears you hears me!
Lk 10:16

He who receives the one I send receives me! Jn 13:20

acts 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

acts 2:42 doctrine of the apostles.

acts 8:31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.

Acts 16:30
And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?

acts 16:17 The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation.

1 cor 11:23
For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you...

2 thes 2:15
Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

to reject them is to reject Jesus Christ!

and commandments!

mt 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Acts 1:2
Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:

1 thes 4:2 For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus.

all the teachings of men!

but you will refuse to believe and obey!

all the teaching of the apostolic church are binding (mt 16:18-29) on all christians includes the 255 dogmas with the decrees of the valid councils!
thks

That is hardly an explanation, but more of a laundry list or a rough outline of the key points of a legal defense not the actual presentation.

But, I too say that God teaches and leads through men--that is His way established in the Old Testament times, and continuing on in the New Testament times.

Even so, what you have not factored into your presentation, is that in spite of all those things being true, "there were also false prophets among the people, even as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Lord who bought them" (2 Peter 2:1); "and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness" (2 Thessalonians 2:10-13). That the effects being "strong" "among you"--the Church--would be no small matter but greatly effect the general teachings among the Church.

Christ also, in addressing the seven churches in the Book of Revelation, had "somewhat against" 5 out of 7, of the 7 He chose to represent all factions.

All of which was confirmed also by John who explained, saying, "And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world" (1 John 4:3).

In other words, "By the mouth of two or three witnesses every word shall be established" (Deuteronomy 19:15 and 2 Corinthians 13:1). Not by many who were and are subject to foretold false teachings., first by the twelve, but then by 2 or 3 including Paul, who reached back and pulled that passage and those terms forward among the Church and the gentiles. As Jesus said, "Therefore every scribe instructed concerning the kingdom of heaven is like a householder who brings out of his treasure things new and old"(Matthew 13:52).

 

[ScottA]

And what is necessary for one to know in order to get saved?

"To know" is not "necessary for one to...get saved."

But the one thing that is necessary, is that one "believe." The scriptures then describe belief as "the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead."

 

[Ronald Nolette]

"To know" is not "necessary for one to...get saved."

But the one thing that is necessary, is that one "believe." The scriptures then describe belief as "the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead."

Believe what? Just that God is and the passage you quoted?

 

[ScottA]

Believe what? Just that God is and the passage you quoted?

I could answer, but with your record of disdain and desire to find me wrong, I will just say: God decides.

 

[faithhopecharity]

And what is necessary for one to know in order to get saved?

mk 16:16 he who believes and is baptized shall be saved.

eph 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism.

the faith is found in the creed!

the faith of the apostles acts 2:42

thks