Connecting the dots = a pre-tribulation rapture.

[Spiritual Israelite]

No white horse....giddy-up.

LOL. There will be no white horses at all. That's all symbolic. Jesus will descend from heaven in like manner as He ascended to heaven. Visibly and bodily. There's no reason to think "like manner" has anything to do with riding on a white horse or not.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

...and no army in 1 these 4, plus a bonus of no uturn.
You have no point.

Acts 1 is a major debunking of postrib rapture.

Such utter nonsense. Acts 1:9-11 says nothing one way or another about whether the rapture will be pre-trib or post-trib. You have nothing concrete from scripture to support your wild pretrib theory, so you have to resort to nonsense like this instead.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You can army-up......but I'll be going-up.

Things will be like the days of Noah....till it's not.

Right. When the flood came after Noah went into the ark, it killed all unbelievers. Jesus said that's how it will be on the day He comes, also (Matthew 24:37-39, Luke 17:26-30). All unbelievers will be killed on the day He returns, as other scriptures like 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 and 2 Peter 3:10-12 confirm. But, you somehow have people surviving when He comes and Him coming from heaven again years later. No, all believers will be changed to put on bodily immortality when He comes at the last trumpet and all unbelievers will be killed at that time (1 Thess 4:14-5:3, 2 Thess 1:7-10, 1 Cor 15:50-54, 2 Peter 3:10-13, Luke 17:26-37, Matthew 24:35-51).

 

[CrowCross]

LOL. There will be no white horses at all. That's all symbolic. Jesus will descend from heaven in like manner as He ascended to heaven. Visibly and bodily. There's no reason to think "like manner" has anything to do with riding on a white horse or not.

No white horse?!?...Now, I'm bummed. It's like finding out about Santa.

 

[CrowCross]

Right. When the flood came after Noah went into the ark, it killed all unbelievers. Jesus said that's how it will be on the day He comes, also (Matthew 24:37-39, Luke 17:26-30). All unbelievers will be killed on the day He returns, as other scriptures like 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 and 2 Peter 3:10-12 confirm. But, you somehow have people surviving when He comes and Him coming from heaven again years later. No, all believers will be changed to put on bodily immortality when He comes at the last trumpet and all unbelievers will be killed at that time (1 Thess 4:14-5:3, 2 Thess 1:7-10, 1 Cor 15:50-54, 2 Peter 3:10-13, Luke 17:26-37, Matthew 24:35-51).

Perhaps you should just leave the story as written.

Here's what you did...

As it was in the days of Noah,
it killed all unbelievers.
so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.

In case you didn't notice...it's called writing between the lines......Giddy-up.

 

[jeffweeder]

Perhaps you should just leave the story as written.

Here's what you did...

As it was in the days of Noah,
it killed all unbelievers.
so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.

In case you didn't notice...it's called writing between the lines......Giddy-up.

That is what happened though. That is why Noah had to build the ark to be saved.....on the last day obviously.
So shall it be when the Son of man comes, having facilitated a watertight salvation for the repentant.

 

[ewq1938]

That is what happened though. That is why Noah had to build the ark to be saved.....

Is that true for the other story about Lot too?

Luk 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
Luk 17:27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
Luk 17:28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
Luk 17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

Were all unbelievers killed in that fire globally?

 

[CrowCross]

That is what happened though. That is why Noah had to build the ark to be saved.....on the last day obviously.
So shall it be when the Son of man comes, having facilitated a watertight salvation for the repentant.

Noah had to build the ark and get on it before the flood .

 

[jeffweeder]

Is that true for the other story about Lot too?

Yes. For those who fled sodom without looking back, only those were saved

Were all unbelievers killed in that fire globally?

Not globally, as the story of Lot is about the total destruction of sodom. Illustrates the same outcome as Noah's day though.

 

[jeffweeder]

Noah had to build the ark and get on it before the flood .

Yes, he got on the ark after the tribulations that warranted Gods complete intervention in wrath.
Noah was the only one left along with his own family. They escaped the wrath to come just as we will.......ON THE LAST DAY.

Gen 7
10 And after the seven days [God released the rain and] the floodwaters came on the earth.

11 In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, on the seventeenth day of the second month, on that same day all the fountains of the great deep [subterranean waters] burst open, and the windows and floodgates of the heavens were opened. 12 It rained on the earth for forty days and forty nights.

 

[CrowCross]

Yes, he got on the ark after the tribulations that warranted Gods complete intervention in wrath.
Noah was the only one left along with his own family. They escaped the wrath to come just as we will.......ON THE LAST DAY.

Gen 7
10 And after the seven days [God released the rain and] the floodwaters came on the earth.

11 In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, on the seventeenth day of the second month, on that same day all the fountains of the great deep [subterranean waters] burst open, and the windows and floodgates of the heavens were opened. 12 It rained on the earth for forty days and forty nights.

Noah escaped the wrath.

Define "last day". Is it a period in time, a moment in time, the day prior to the trib or the day the trib ends...just what do you consider the last day?

 

[rebuilder 454]

Noah escaped the wrath.

Define "last day". Is it a period in time, a moment in time, the day prior to the trib or the day the trib ends...just what do you consider the last day?

They have Noah removed ( the rapture) after the flood.
Lot removed ( the rapture) after the city burns.

Totally crazy.

 

[CrowCross]

They have Noah removed ( the rapture) after the flood.
Lot removed ( the rapture) after the city burns.

Totally crazy.

I know....

 

[jeffweeder]

Noah escaped the wrath.

Define "last day". Is it a period in time, a moment in time, the day prior to the trib or the day the trib ends...just what do you consider the last day?

Again?

Our resurrection and change takes place on the last day, not before

John 6:40
For this is My Father’s will and purpose, that ”everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him [as Savior] will have eternal life, and I will raise him up [from the dead] on the last day

John 11:24day.
Martha replied, “I know that he will rise [from the dead] in the resurrection on the last day.”

Job 14: 12-14

So man lies down and does not rise [again].
Until the heavens are no longer,
The dead will not awake nor be raised from their sleep.

“If a man dies, will he live again?
I will wait all the days of my struggle
Until my change and release will come.



The ungodly are raised on the last day as well
John 12:48
Whoever rejects Me and refuses to accept My teachings, has one who judges him; the very word that I spoke will judge and condemn him on the last day.

2Thess 1
9 These people will pay the penalty and endure the punishment of everlasting destruction, banished from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day


Dots connection 2,
Our bodily Glorification and the eternal judgment of the unsaved occur when Jesus comes again to raise us the last day.


Matt 24
35 Heaven and earth [as now known] will pass away, but My words will not pass away.36 “But of that [exact] day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son [in His humanity], but the Father alone. 37 For the coming of the Son of Man (the Messiah) will be just like the days of Noah.
38 For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the [very] day when Noah entered the ark, 39 and they did not know or understand until the flood came and swept them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be [unexpected judgment].

Gen 6
12 God looked on the earth and saw how debased and degenerate it was, for all humanity had corrupted their way on the earth and lost their true direction.

13 God said to Noah, “I intend to make an end of all that lives, for through men the land is filled with violence; and behold, I am about to destroy them together with the land.

Saved from wrath after the tribulation.


Matt 25

31 “But when the Son of Man comes in His glory and majesty and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him [for judgment]; and He will separate them from one another, as a shepherd separates his sheep from the goats; 33 and He will put the sheep on His right [the place of honor], and the goats on His left [the place of rejection].
34 “Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father [you favored of God, appointed to eternal salvation], inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
41 “Then He will say to those on His left, ‘Leave Me, you cursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels (demons);

 

[jeffweeder]

They have Noah removed ( the rapture) after the flood.
Lot removed ( the rapture) after the city burns.

Totally crazy.

No, we dont

 

[CrowCross]

Again?

Our resurrection and change takes place on the last day, not before

John 6:40
For this is My Father’s will and purpose, that ”everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him [as Savior] will have eternal life, and I will raise him up [from the dead] on the last day

John 11:24day.
Martha replied, “I know that he will rise [from the dead] in the resurrection on the last day.”

Job 14: 12-14

So man lies down and does not rise [again].
Until the heavens are no longer,
The dead will not awake nor be raised from their sleep.

“If a man dies, will he live again?
I will wait all the days of my struggle
Until my change and release will come.



The ungodly are raised on the last day as well
John 12:48
Whoever rejects Me and refuses to accept My teachings, has one who judges him; the very word that I spoke will judge and condemn him on the last day.

2Thess 1
9 These people will pay the penalty and endure the punishment of everlasting destruction, banished from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day


Dots connection 2,
Our bodily Glorification and the eternal judgment of the unsaved occur when Jesus comes again to raise us the last day.


Matt 24
35 Heaven and earth [as now known] will pass away, but My words will not pass away.36 “But of that [exact] day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son [in His humanity], but the Father alone. 37 For the coming of the Son of Man (the Messiah) will be just like the days of Noah.
38 For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the [very] day when Noah entered the ark, 39 and they did not know or understand until the flood came and swept them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be [unexpected judgment].

Gen 6
12 God looked on the earth and saw how debased and degenerate it was, for all humanity had corrupted their way on the earth and lost their true direction.

13 God said to Noah, “I intend to make an end of all that lives, for through men the land is filled with violence; and behold, I am about to destroy them together with the land.

Saved from wrath after the tribulation.


Matt 25

31 “But when the Son of Man comes in His glory and majesty and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him [for judgment]; and He will separate them from one another, as a shepherd separates his sheep from the goats; 33 and He will put the sheep on His right [the place of honor], and the goats on His left [the place of rejection].
34 “Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father [you favored of God, appointed to eternal salvation], inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
41 “Then He will say to those on His left, ‘Leave Me, you cursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels (demons);

Thanks for the verses...but I noticed you didn't define "last day". Is it a period in time, a moment in time, the day prior to the trib or the day the trib ends...just what do you consider the last day?

 

[CrowCross]

No, we dont

Then explain what you mean...

 

[jeffweeder]

Thanks for the verses...but I noticed you didn't define "last day". Is it a period in time, a moment in time, the day prior to the trib or the day the trib ends...just what do you consider the last day?

Lol.
Scripture above just defined the last day.
Jesus comes a second time and raises his own when the heavens are no more.
On that same day we have the eternal judgment of the wicked.

You seem to be having trouble Connecting those scriptural dots

 

[ewq1938]

Yes. For those who fled sodom without looking back, only those were saved

Not globally, as the story of Lot is about the total destruction of sodom. Illustrates the same outcome as Noah's day though.

Yes it does, both are examples of non-global destructions. Same with the second coming where Christ will destroy the army of the beast, and the two beasts but no global slaughter. Rev 19 promises a rule over the nations post-Armageddon, so does Rev 2.

 

[Davidpt]

They have Noah removed ( the rapture) after the flood.
Lot removed ( the rapture) after the city burns.

Totally crazy.

It would look more like this instead. Therefore, let's not misrepresent the post trib view simply because you are upset that the Pretrib view doesn't make sense like the Post trib view does. The rapture, then moments later the flood. When the flood is meaning, there is not single saint on the earth at the time. They have just met Jesus and the dead who rise first, up in the sky moments earlier and are continuing to descend with Christ in order to confront the beast and it's armies below. Which then agrees with--at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints(1 Thessalonians 3:13)--and doesn't even need to involve a Pretrib rapture to fulfill.

At least the Post trib uturn makes sense. The Pretrib uturn certainly doesn't. The Pretrib uturn has the dead in Christ already in heaven, then Jesus brings them with Him when He meets those still alive back on the earth in the air, then He takes the dead in Christ back to where they already were just moments ago instead of just simply leaving them there until He gets back.

As to the Post trib uturn, the change from mortal to immortal happens in the air as they rise up to where Jesus is. And once they are changed it then becomes a battle between immortals vs mortals below. And guess who wins?