Sinless Perfection. Why do so many teach against what Jesus taught?

[Lizbeth]

I was merely warning against them popes of the RCC .
Yes i know that even paul and others went up to Jerusalem to seek council from the apostels
for things . As far as history we easily could have learned what is written in the bible for all examples .
There is part of a movement and its attached to what They all hist ory of the early church fathers .
Its a trick to get them to return to catholicism . There is a unity move
and it can say certain truths , even claiming its to bring us back to the original .
Only it aint bringing us back to the original .
They can say very similiar things to what i even say .
But you will notice a key difference in them .
I point ONLY to the doctrine left to us in that bible and exhort all to read it for themselves .
They will point to other things and not encourage folks to read for their own
but at most to sit under a scholar and etc . Sister that is b ad news .
Because that is HOW they deceive them .
Did you know that the more one reads the bible daily
the more that mind is formed rock solid on JESUS .
Even now when i read it , it still refreshes me .
The more you read it the more you are gonna see the difference in Both Christ and later the apostels
approach to sin and etc
Verses todays more sensual approach . That is a fact my dear sister .

Amen. And history changes nothing at all about what GOD says in His word. The RCC is in the flesh with everything, not in spirit or in truth - they are not to be followed.

One of the biggest tasks of the Apostles in their role as overseers was to keep the churches in line with the truth and that involved a lot of ongoing instructing, correcting and battling to keep the leaven out, of both sin and false teachings, as we see from their epistles.

 

[Lizbeth]

At least I've saved epi from being the target for the haters. Its now turned to me.

I think you are just "feeling" hated because the truth does sometimes hurt. Nobody here hates you I'm sure.

 

[MostlyConfused]

I wouldn't be so quick to judge Peter. That requires some unwarranted self exaltation. If the result of the lot was from the Lord then there can't be any arguement.

I agree with her. She’s speaking right. He made a decision based on the way of old rather than by the new way that was soon coming and that they were waiting for in the upper room. However, judging Peter for doing the best he knew how is not right. We are ALL doing the best we know how unless we are actually walking in His power. It’s like…they had received the down payment when He breathed on them and were then waiting as directed, for the power, the full measure. There’s a lot here for us…

 

[shepherdsword]

I agree with her. She’s speaking right. He made a decision based on the way of old rather than by the new way that was soon coming and that they were waiting for in the upper room. However, judging Peter for doing the best he knew how is not right. We are ALL doing the best we know how unless we are actually walking in His power. It’s like…they had received the down payment when He breathed on them and were then waiting as directed, for the power, the full measure. There’s a lot here for us…

There is nothing wrong in how Peter made the decision. Let's look.

Ac 1:24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,

It was the Lord that chose.

 

[GodsGrace]

Nothing but nothing changes the truth of those scriptures I posted. It is a matter of having either the mind of Christ (spiritual) on this matter or the mind of man. It's the difference between flesh and spirit. One leads in a wrong direction and the other leads to life.....we need to have our minds renewed to see (from scripture - because it is there to see) how the Lord intended the church to be.

Now I know things began a gradual slide downhill after the original Apostles died (as Paul said would happen, and even Jesus knew He was sending us out as sheep among wolves), but that does not mean we shouldn't seek to understand and endeavour (through the Spirit) to align ourselves with the plumbline of truth.

Liz
I'm talking about history here.
Are you saying that Peter was NOT the Bishop of Rome??

 

[MostlyConfused]

There is nothing wrong in how Peter made the decision. Let's look.

Ac 1:24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,

It was the Lord that chose.

Okay. That’s an okay way to see it. I include my own experience thus far so I see it somewhat differently. Because…I received that down payment as had they when He breathed on them, but any time I have ever asked for Him to let me know which choice I should make, which He desired, there was never any firm answer and I had to make the choice just trusting as I did it that if I made a mistake He would see even to that. So…yeah, just how I see it.

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen. And history changes nothing at all about what GOD says in His word. The RCC is in the flesh with everything, not in spirit or in truth - they are not to be followed.

One of the biggest tasks of the Apostles in their role as overseers was to keep the churches in line with the truth and that involved a lot of ongoing instructing, correcting and battling to keep the leaven out, of both sin and false teachings, as we see from their epistles.

Thanks for the lovely reminder dear sister . For if any follows a harlot they go only down to the chambers of death twice told
on the day of judgment .
So i have a saying and its quite easy to remember due to the rhyming .
Always say NO to a ho
and in her direction never go .

 

[amigo de christo]

Liz
I'm talking about history here.
Are you saying that Peter was NOT the Bishop of Rome??

Peter was not the bishop of ROME . never was .
The apostles were centered IN JERSUALEM . who peter did mention as babylon .
Now peter was a true bishop no matter where he was . And my i remind us all
HE would never have accepted b eing called MOST HOLY anything , let alone FATHER OR REVERAND .
HE would not do as the HARLOT has done .
None of them would have done what this mystery harlot does .
THEY had never merged state and church . when one does THEY ALWAYS COMPROMISE . and that my near and dear friend
HAS ALWAYS b een a fact .
Peter had never prayed to mary or anyone else , other than GOD in JESUS name .
PETER would never ever once decked himself up in gorgeous apparal
and made images to blow incense unto either Nor had men bowing before him .
We gonna have to face the facts sister . MEN DID THIS . MEN who loved to LORD over the ch urches
and to be seen and praised of men . THEY DID THIS . NOT GOD , NOT CHRIST , NOT any true sheep either .
Now we were warned grieveious wolves would enter in .
AND SO THEY did and so have they have . Till now
mainline christendom , to include the RCC and oh yeah THE PROTESTANT realm
has about zero to NO idea what it has lost . And even scarier that they are lost . its a fact sister .
And now in this last hour , due to reb ellion and love of sin , A DELUSION has b een sent
and this delusion was made to sound as though its love , its of GOD
and all it did was reshape the image of GOD into the image of a god
on which all false religoins as well as christendom would buy as love and of GOD
and has p repared them all unto its peace plan . that peace plan
so many slob er over and run too and try and find common ground with
ITS ALL OF ANTI C HRIST and its all to prepare a rebellious planet
its false religoins and its lip only christendom to become one and have one common g oal
and that for w orld peace . And all of it of satan .

 

[amigo de christo]

Liz
I'm talking about history here.
Are you saying that Peter was NOT the Bishop of Rome??

To many i might seem the monster
To many i might seem the hater
to many i might seem a religious extremist .
But do feel free to ask me why i wont bend the knee or con form to their love .
That love is a sin accepting love sister
and it is a love that accepts unbeleif in JESUS as valid and fine .
THIS sheep DONT BEND the knee to that all inclusive love of an ecumeincal harlot .
I EXPOSE IT . And will do so no ma tter the cost to me .

 

[amigo de christo]

At least I've saved epi from being the target for the haters. Its now turned to me.

well know and understand you so called saved a man
that when i preached the truth to an athiest of how he can be saved , by beleiving on JESUS ,
your hero epi called it religouis extremism . WAKE UP .
Any who preaches a false gopsel and also any who supports such IS a co helper to their evil deeds .
TRY reading some bible sister . Your making a love bed with a man who is very anti
the message that one must FIRST believe ON JESUS . that aint no love bed to be made sister .
ITs one to be fled .

 

[Episkopos]

well know and understand you so called saved a man
that when i preached the truth to an athiest of how he can be saved , by beleiving on JESUS ,
your hero epi called it religouis extremism . WAKE UP .
Any who preaches a false gopsel and also any who supports such IS a co helper to their evil deeds .
TRY reading some bible sister . Your making a love bed with a man who is very anti
the message that one must FIRST believe ON JESUS . that aint no love bed to be made sister .
ITs one to be fled .

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, you make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. Matt. 23:15

Dogmatic religion doesn't save anyone. Reciting creeds saves no one. Beliefs save no one, unless they are acted upon.

Faith is something ENTIRELY different. By faith we are translated to walk in resurrection life...or it isn't faith yet.

 

[amigo de christo]

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, you make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. Matt. 23:15

hey epi . you do realize the v ery one you are quoating
you speak against . you would have called HIM and ever last apostel a hypocrite and religious extremist .
So you can g o ahead and b ring his words , but you do so IN VAIN .
For you do NOT BELIEVE HIM . You and those oprah whimphrey and pope francis and oh yeah
lots of protestant realm too , DO NOT BELEIVE HIM .
I seen what both oprah whimprhy who is queen of your inclusive religoin had to say .
And i seen what pope francis who was one of the fathers of your inclusive religoin had to say
You all use His own words and do so to silence the mouths of those
who preach the dire necessity to have to BELIEVE ON HIM .
All oprah wimphrey is , as is the popes , as is anyone who uses His name and claims to beleive on HIM ,
IS n aught but a wolf in wool only using the name of JESUS and claiming to BELIEVE ON HIM
and yet making void the dire necessity for all to do so . Th at my friend is known as
LIP SERVICE . that my friend is known as one who simply uses the name of JESUS
in order to ............................DECIEVE . just like hyper grace does
just like the all inclusive does . By the way epi
a lot of the hyper grace ones you speak against , WHICH I DO TOO ,
are already under the same influence of inclusivity as are you . as are many .
OF course epi , you are one of the top soliders of it . Many are not quite as far along as you .
But they all headed right into the same LIE you already beleive .

 

[Marvelloustime]

hey epi . you do realize the v ery one you are quoating
you speak against . you would have called HIM and ever last apostel a hypocrite and religious extremist .
So you can g o ahead and b ring his words , but you do so IN VAIN .
For you do NOT BELIEVE HIM . You and those oprah whimphrey and pope francis and oh yeah
lots of protestant realm too , DO NOT BELEIVE HIM .
I seen what both oprah whimprhy who is queen of your inclusive religoin had to say .
And i seen what pope francis who was one of the fathers of your inclusive religoin had to say
You all use His own words and do so to silence the mouths of those
who preach the dire necessity to have to BELIEVE ON HIM .
All oprah wimphrey is , as is the popes , as is anyone who uses His name and claims to beleive on HIM ,
IS n aught but a wolf in wool only using the name of JESUS and claiming to BELIEVE ON HIM
and yet making void the dire necessity for all to do so . Th at my friend is known as
LIP SERVICE . that my friend is known as one who simply uses the name of JESUS
in order to ............................DECIEVE . just like hyper grace does
just like the all inclusive does . By the way epi
a lot of the hyper grace ones you speak against , WHICH I DO TOO ,
are already under the same influence of inclusivity as are you . as are many .
OF course epi , you are one of the top soliders of it . Many are not quite as far along as you .
But they all headed right into the same LIE you already beleive .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

well know and understand you so called saved a man
that when i preached the truth to an athiest of how he can be saved , by beleiving on JESUS ,
your hero epi called it religouis extremism . WAKE UP .
Any who preaches a false gopsel and also any who supports such IS a co helper to their evil deeds .
TRY reading some bible sister . Your making a love bed with a man who is very anti
the message that one must FIRST believe ON JESUS . that aint no love bed to be made sister .
ITs one to be fled .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

To many i might seem the monster
To many i might seem the hater
to many i might seem a religious extremist .
But do feel free to ask me why i wont bend the knee or con form to their love .
That love is a sin accepting love sister
and it is a love that accepts unbeleif in JESUS as valid and fine .
THIS sheep DONT BEND the knee to that all inclusive love of an ecumeincal harlot .
I EXPOSE IT . And will do so no ma tter the cost to me .

@amigo de christo

 

[MostlyConfused]

So i have a saying and its quite easy to remember due to the rhyming .
Always say NO to a ho
and in her direction never go .

It’s like when someone passes gas in polite company and everyone sort of pretends they didn’t hear it (because they’re polite company) and I try to act as I’m supposed to but I can’t stop laughing. Yes, of course I know it’s silly, but I tell you, the harder I try not to laugh the harder it becomes not to.
Thats how this phrase hit me. It might be a good epitaph…

 

[amigo de christo]

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, you make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. Matt. 23:15

Dogmatic religion doesn't save anyone. Reciting creeds saves no one. Beliefs save no one, unless they are acted upon.

Faith is something ENTIRELY different. By faith we are translated to walk in resurrection life...or it isn't faith yet.

 

[amigo de christo]

It’s like when someone passes gas in polite company and everyone sort of pretends they didn’t hear it (because they’re polite company) and I try to act as I’m supposed to but I can’t stop laughing. Yes, of course I know it’s silly, but I tell you, the harder I try not to laugh the harder it becomes not to.
Thats how this phrase hit me. It might be a good epitaph…

 

[Azim]

Pr 16:33
The lot is cast into the lap; but the whole disposing thereof is of the Lord.

Wow, I'm still reading this thread. Sorry my brother, @shepherdsword nothing to add. Yet.

 

[Lizbeth]

Faith is something ENTIRELY different. By faith we are translated to walk in resurrection life...or it isn't faith yet.

Faith is of the Holy Spirit, not of our own, whereas head belief is of one's own, the flesh. By faith the child of God HAS received resurrection life, but needs to learn/grow to walk in it. To say the beginning of our faith is not faith yet is to deny Christ, because He is both the Author as well as Finisher of our faith.