Sorry your doctrine doesn't "wash". EVERYONE, Jew or Gentile, is unclean in and of themselves until/unless washed in the blood of the Lamb. That's what it takes to be accepted of Him. Peter was shown that the Gentiles were not excluded from the gospel, but could be declared to be clean through it. That's what the mikvah was an allegory of....portraying the coming gospel....the washing of the water of the Word. If Cornelius had rejected the good news, he wouldn't have been accepted by God would he, in spite of the good things he did. But God was pleased to save him and without receiving Christ and His word, Cornelius' righteous acts wouldn't have saved him. That is WHY the Lord sent Peter to him....to save him. Why bother go to all that trouble if Cornelius had already been "accepted "of the Lord and saved by his own righteousness?
Sinless Perfection. Why do so many teach against what Jesus taught?
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There is a LOT of assuming here....no surprise. One thing doesn't necessarily follow the other. One must strive lawfully...not just follow what one feels is right. The tree of the knowledge of good and evil NEVER develops into the tree of life. And the fact is that too many assume they have even tasted what the tree of life actually is. So many are forever stuck in an increasing delusion.
And even if a person has been born in ZIon.....
Most people who begin in the Spirit do not continue in the Spirit. They get sucked into the religious system or into a mind trap. The good we embrace can become the enemy of the perfect.
Always learning but never coming to the knowledge of the truth.
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Not everyone who comes to faith will grow, or grow much, I agree. There are even those who severely limit and quench life in the Spirit by their doctrine (cessationists). But faith that is not of our own isn't from the Tree of Knowledge, it is from the Tree of Life (Christ, His Spirit). Head belief is from the Tree of Knowledge.
amigo de christo
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you shall not hate your neighbor in your heart but you shall correct him and NOT allow sin upon him .
A false gospel IS HATE .
they have no faith in GOD but only call Him a liar .
HE who believes not God does not have faith in God .
And GOD has testified on the SON
and GOD has chosen by the preaching to SAVE those who BELEIVE .
HE who recieves HIS TESTIMONY has set to his SEAL that GOD is True .
HE who believes not the testimony that GOD gave on the SON , HE calls GOD a liar .
And that , my dear sister , inclusivty not only does preach , it calls those who do religious extremist .
Now when Israel , who though they cliamed to Beleive in GOD did not believe him
THEY were not allowed to enter into the land of promise . UNBELEIF is NOT FAITH .
And if one either fails to Believe JESUS is the CHRIST
or if one lips his name but fails to believe ALL t hings HE taught
WELL its UNBELIEF and it wont save them .
Epi only preaches certain aspects about holiness and righteousness
But not only allows UNBELEIF IN JESUS to remain , he calls the preaching of the one true gopsel religious extremism .
NOW that I KNOW GOD DID NOT DO , NOR CHRIST , nor those apostles .
WHO do you think authors a false gospel and yet would make it seem to be so good and loving .
WHY the serpent would of course . But as we both know the serpent did not come
to save us , ONLY TO DECIEVE . JESUS , HE saves and i highly suggest we keep HIS g ospel , his teachings firm to the end .
A false gospel IS HATE .
Exactly sister . And to any who believes not the testimony that God gave on the SON
they have no faith in GOD but only call Him a liar .
HE who believes not God does not have faith in God .
And GOD has testified on the SON
and GOD has chosen by the preaching to SAVE those who BELEIVE .
HE who recieves HIS TESTIMONY has set to his SEAL that GOD is True .
HE who believes not the testimony that GOD gave on the SON , HE calls GOD a liar .
And that , my dear sister , inclusivty not only does preach , it calls those who do religious extremist .
Now when Israel , who though they cliamed to Beleive in GOD did not believe him
THEY were not allowed to enter into the land of promise . UNBELEIF is NOT FAITH .
And if one either fails to Believe JESUS is the CHRIST
or if one lips his name but fails to believe ALL t hings HE taught
WELL its UNBELIEF and it wont save them .
Epi only preaches certain aspects about holiness and righteousness
But not only allows UNBELEIF IN JESUS to remain , he calls the preaching of the one true gopsel religious extremism .
NOW that I KNOW GOD DID NOT DO , NOR CHRIST , nor those apostles .
WHO do you think authors a false gospel and yet would make it seem to be so good and loving .
WHY the serpent would of course . But as we both know the serpent did not come
to save us , ONLY TO DECIEVE . JESUS , HE saves and i highly suggest we keep HIS g ospel , his teachings firm to the end .
amigo de christo
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Why epi , of course she knows , as do i , that the tree of the knowledge of g ood and evil never develops into the tree of life .
But what you dont seem to know at all is
NEITHER DOES A FALSE GOSPEL ever once develope into the T RUE GOSPEL .
a false gosple only d enies the true gospel .
UNBELEIF that JESUS IS THE CHRIST does not develop into BELIEVING GOD or CHRIST
IT simply remains UNBELIEF and calls GOD a liar .
And as far as many being stuck in an ever increasing delusion , now on that you are very correct .
For more and more are now stuck in and on inclusivitiy which increases in delusion daily
and will lead them all to perdition , RATHER than the peace it promises them .
Because its love and its peace BE NOT OF GOD epi .
IF ITS LOVE and if its peace were of GOD . IT HAD POINTED TO THE DIRE NECESSITY
to BELEIVE JESUS is the CHRIST and to observe all things HE did teac h .
Teaching them to BELEIVE ON JESUS , so as they can HAVE PEACE with GOD .
You are being decieved badly epi . And ye have greatly resisted the true gospel . Not gonna bode well
for you on JESUS day . UNLESS YOU repent of it .
You are reading only what you want to see. I said that even those who are born in Zion will mainly fail. They get seduced by the devil into following their own self interest...as in...I'm a king's kid now...nothing but gravy and glory. Basically they think...I cannot be deceived by the devil because I belong to Christ. These will resist the rebuke of the Lord and treat that as coming from the devil...because it takes away one's "peace"... Crying peace peace when there is no peace.
I have tried explaining deeper things to you but you are very stubborn in your errors....and you are actually growing in the error. All you are doing is adding what I'm saying into your delusion which will make it harder and harder to get away.
The truth is that we in the West have things to overcome that are only understood prophetically. If we just follow what we read in the bible, without the chastening of the Lord, we will go astray. That is the test for the West...the rich people that can almost NEVER enter the kingdom. Instead we follow a decoy into oblivion. And there's no humility or fear to question our downward spiral.
amigo de christo
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Because , my dear sister , many came to a faith in a jesus that was preached of men and had contradicted THE JESUS and His gospel
and His words .
The thing is , many have faith , ITs just sadly their faith has been in men , NOT GOD .
And those wayward men will always preach a twisted version of Christ .
Just a reminder for us all .
I can use two examples of this .
You have many who walk in sin and embrace darkness and yet Cliam to believe on JESUS .
You have many , who like epi , will expose some of their ba dworks , YET he himself denies the very gospel of JESUS
which clearly stated one must beleive on JESUS .
wanna know what both sides have in common sister . NEITHER side beleives JESUS and rather a jesus invented of men .
And while they can expose some errors , they do not realize they are still lost and still walk in unbeleif .
OH it is written and clearly stated
HE who hopes be in men is cursed
but he whose hopes be in GOD are blessed . The thing they have in common is
they are of the world and only think they are of God .
That is not an accusation , its a fact . And many are now being caught up
into the same dissumlation as epi and that inclusivity no matter what side of the aislse they do sit under .
The ULITIMATE LIE of all .
As the devil has convinced them , DID GOD really say YE MUST BELEIVE on JESUS the CHRIST .
And then says NAY nay ye shall not perish if you beleive not for God is love and his road is broad and all inclusive .
SOMEONE lying to them all sister . And we know GOD sure dont LIE
but the serpent , OH not only can he lie , there is no truth in HIM . And he will always
make his lie seem as if its for the good of man , when just like in the garden its only cause he desires their death .
Not for the first time, Episkopos gives me the feeling that he doesn't understand the faith we receive in the beginning of our walk....that it is not of our own. This is why he also says there is no difference between a believer in the 'lower walk' and the Israelites under the Law before Christ. It all makes me wonder whether it's because he never received/experienced this faith himself in the beginning.....?
amigo de christo
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no epi , you are READING only the inclusivity you want to see .
And if you cannot be decieved because you belong to Christ now
THEN WHY on earth are you not only trying to silence the mouths of those who
DO point to the dire necessity to BELEIVE on CHRIST ,
you even think its religious extremism to preach the very gospel JESUS and all the apostels did .
NO man by THE SPIRIT would have done such a thing epi .
amigo de christo
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Epi gives you the feeling , the feeling that he does not understand the faith we receieve at the beginning of our walk .
OH my dear d ear sister .
HE not only does not , He comes against those who DO .
You see without Believing that one must beleive ON JESUS to be able to walk in the faith , SISTER its all a lie .
Epi is an inclusivian and a hard core beleiver of it . And i already seen what it teaches .
ITS all a well cloaked lie to be presented as though its a walk by which man can attain . WHAT MAN CAN NEVER ATTAIN
without FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST .
The devil is a sneaky one indeed sister . All he desires is that our FAITH BE NOT IN JESUS CHRIST .
so he presents another jesus that either accepts sins and walks contrary to his doctrine
and or a jesus that presents a false gospel of not even having to BELIEVE ON JESUS in the first place .
EITHER WAY ITS ALL UNBELIEF . and either way its beleiving A LIE and not TRUTH , NOT the CHRIST of GOD
and thus NOT GOD the FATHER WHO DID SEND and WHO DID TESTIFY
and whose SPIRIT STILL TESTIFIES of the dire need TO BELEIVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST .
SOmeone lied to epi sister and fed rather his pride . The pride of man is as the pride of lucifer
it leads ONLY to their destruction and perdition on JUDGMENT day .
The problem with the kind of religious superficiality you are constantly spewing out...is that believing ON Jesus is not enough...one must believe INTO Jesus...to be where He is to have victory over sin and walk in holiness.
Believing ON Christ is a beginning..but the person remains carnal UNTIL they are dead in Christ to walk in His resurrection life. A LOT of people who believe ON Jesus will be rejected from the kingdom because they assume that's all there is. Believing ON Jesus is what a human does to change religions. But believing INTO Christ is what saves a person. Believing ON Jesus only works if you obey Him as a human can.
But you are very confused about this.
If I say to OBEY Christ...that is much better than saying believe on Jesus. Because you can't OBEY Christ UNLESS you also believe in Jesus.
BUT...you can have a dogmatic belief and self-justification delusion by claiming to believe ON Jesus. And you are proof of that delusion.
So you never say to obey Christ...I say that all the time and you say I'm lost.
But you are very lost...a religious extremist hypocrite. Repent from your religious hypocrisy.
amigo de christo
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Sister , all i do know is this
they who come out from amongst us , amongst the one true gospel and favor a false one ,
WELL they were never of us , FOR had they been of us
THEY WOULD NEVER have replaced the gospel of JESUS , of the one true Faith
for a gospel of man that though it was so broad and seemed as love to THEM
THE SHEEP KNEW it was not the gospel of GOD and of CHRIST .
WHAT IS THE LOVE OF GOD SISTER .
That we keep HIS COMMANDMENTS . TO BELIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST and to love one another .
NOW what is the love of the all inclusive , Oh it dont matter if they beleived or not
HEY the road to God is all inclusive. THAT just denied THE LOVE OF GOD .
But a false gospel will always DENY THE LOVE and the peace of GOD as it denies THE VERY TRUTH OF GOD
and of HIS PLAN on how to save , to SAVE THOSE WHO DO BELEIVE .
ONLY it makes void the dire necessity to have to BELEIVE On JESUS THE CHRIST .
When I saw the tone change, all I wrote about was about Paul's writing about Peter who had no way to defend himself. Not one word of the issues of the debate between you two. That is between you all. And I don't even know what those issues were, but my example of Paul made someone turn into a braggart. The best thing to do is what you did; stop responding at all. I didn't either, and assumptions were made for my silence. That's on them.The reproaches that were meant for me have fallen on you. Where did I read that sort of thing???
20 “I do not pray for these alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word; 21 that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. 22 And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: 23 I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me.
amigo de christo
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epi i already long have warned out about a dead lip service faith .
And worse YOU KNOW I have .
But to grow IN CHRIST , one would have had to FIRST BELIEVED ON CHRIST .
OTHEREWISE its all in vain epi .
Now i know you can cliam you beleive IN JESUS .
But epi , the jesus you believe in OMITS THE GOSPEL OF THE JESUS CHRIST of GOD
and the same one every apostel preached to the world .
SO go ahead and keep on thinking YOU follow HIM .
You do not epi .
NO man who follows JESUS would ever once have abandoned the faith , the one true gospel
Which darn sure Said YE MUST BELEIVE ON JESUS .
your problem is you t ry and use teachings of JESUS and yet all the while
DENY having to actually have to FIRST beleive on him .
Epi you must be forgetting that i already well know what inclusivity teaches .
And if i could sum it up in a word , Well that word would be it cometh of ANTI CHRIST .
You need to flee that broad inclusive mindset . start reminding all to Actually
FIRST BELIEVE ON JESUS . cause epi , WITHOUT HIM we can do nothing .
And the incliusive gospel you bring , MAKES TOTALLY VOID that fact and rather says
HIC we can DO THIS OURSELVES . not gonna b ode well for you epi .
Why are you so against obedience to Christ? You want religious hypocrisy but not obedience. WHY?????
You have to realize that you have been deceived. Again I talk about obedience and you either ignore me or else say it's more important to have a religious opinion.
Opinions don't save anyone. But obedience does. And faith is about going to God for His power and life.
So I'm speaking to a cardboard cut-out slogan machine that can't read think or respond as a human. I will continue to ignore you until you repent and are converted to Christ FOR REAL.
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amigo de christo
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Well then allow me to ask you a question .
DO you beleive its not necessary to have to FIRST BELIEVE ON JESUS the CHRIST .
Now before you do answer i want to bring you a reminder that proved something .
Lets examine a man whose heart was after God , who was doing much good
and even giving much alms to the poor .
Now notice when the angel of GOD did appear to this man named cornelious
HE did remind him of the good he was doing .
THEN TOLD HE WHAT HE ACTUALLY HAD TO DO .
And when that man heard the gospel , HE BLEIEVED IT .
So if anyone is going around trying to silence the mouths of those who DO preach the dire necessity
to BELEIVE ON JESUS , the death , burial and ressurection
I would not heed such a man . inclusivity is a lie . cloaked to sound loving
cloaked to seem to mean well for humanity . OH but its a delusion meant to never once
pull them out of the darkness as it allows UNBELIEF IN JESUS CHRIST to not only remain upon them
WELL it considers preaching the dire need to believe on JESUS , to atheist and false religoins , AS RELIGIOUS extremism .
And you wanna be a co helper to THAT . i higly suggest
that all start reminding of the absolute dire need TO first BELEIVE ON JESUS
and to keep all things HE taught . not those who try and omit the dire need to first beleive .
cause that sister , IS NOT THE TRUE FAITH at all .
amigo de christo
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its you that is against OBEDIANCE TO CHRIST .
seeing you do call him a liar and then try and teach his teachings about holiness and righteousness .
But your holiness and your righteousness
MAKES VOID the dire necessity to have to FIRST BELEIVE ON the ONLY ONE
who was and who is THE HOLY ONE AND THE RIGHTEOUS ONE OF GOD .
And you know darn well i have warned out against lip service while walking IN DISOBEDIANCE .
I been warning about that for years .
That IF one truly LOVED GOD they had LOVED CHRIST
and that you cannot seperate love from obediance to GOD .
HE who LOVES ME , KEEPS MY SAYINGS . oh epi you know i have .
And yet you try and teach obediance to JESUS
and all the while omit the fact WE MUST OBEY GOD and thus BELIEVE ON HIS SON .
OH its you epi what has a serious problem and every bit as deadly
as the very hyper grace you do speak against . YA BOTH IN UNBELIEF and you both
walk In obediance to a lie , NOT GOD , NOT CHRIST .
Cause had you obeyed HIM you had never tried to omit the fact ONE must first BELIEVE IN HIM .
amigo de christo
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yes faith is faith . but what if i told you that many do have faith , ONLY ITS NOT IN THE ONE TRUE GOD and HIS CHRIST .
You see faith without works is dead .
And so is all works without BELEIVING GOD just as dead .
Would you like an explanation on that latter one .
WHEN a man brings a false gopsel that entials its not necessary to have to BELIEVE ON JESUS
and even calls the those who do preach of the dire need to repent and believe on JESUS , as religous extremists .
WELL then though their faith be great , Only ITS ALL IN A LIE sister . not GOD .
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