The Case for a Post-Tribulation Second Coming

[William Barton]

The Jews miraculously re-established the country of Israel in May 14, 1948. This is the only time in history that an ancient nation has been reborn, and it was prophesied in Isaiah 66:8: "Shall a nation be born in one day?"

 

[shepherdsword]

That is WHY no postribber can unpack the passages by Jesus

Quite contrary....pre-tribbers ignore the expicit statements that Jesus made concerning His return, they have to force multiple resurrections and multiple returns into the text to come up with some re-trib rapture. It's pitiful. The passages by Jesus are simple...He returns AFTER the tribulation just like he says.

 

[Sel@h]

You just proved there is normal, everyday life at the rapture.
Thank you.

I guess it’s both.

 

[Marvelloustime]

Here is my promised response .
Paul warned the church of a coming s trong delusion .
One in which they who had rejected the love of the Truth and thus by means of a lying spirit would all believe a lie .
And before i show us what all are now seeing and t hinking is truth and is of GOD and shall bring this world peace n safety .
ALLow me to remind us all of ALSO what paul said they would all be saying RIGHT BEFORE that SWIFT and SUDDEN
destruction were t ocome upon them all .
PEACE N SAFETY .
And now what do we see going on within more and more of the false religions as well as more and more within
even chistendom . THE LIE . the lie that ALL RELIGOINS are serving the same GOD
and that this PEACE plan IS OF G OD and will usher upon them all PEACE N SAFETY .
THERE IT IS for all to see . THE DELUSION is not coming , ITS HERE

@amigo de christo

 

[Davidpt]

You just proved there is normal, everyday life at the rapture.
Thank you.

When are you going to admit that the manner those worshiping the beast during great tribulation is not the same manner that those not worshiping it experience it? No one worshiping the beast is being made war with, then being overcome, and in some cases killed. Those worshiping the beast can still buy and sell. Those not worshiping it have to keep a low profile since they are being hunted down like animals. They certainly wouldn't be doing any of the following at the time---they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage. But the ones worshiping the beast would fit this---they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage---which basically means, as in life continues as normal, as if there is no end in sight. But you want us to believe that the beast and it's followers experience great tribulation in the same manner as those being made war against. Totally absurd.

Which brings up another question. What if WW3 is taking place when the alleged Pretrib rapture takes place, for example? And that describes a world saying peace and safety exactly how?????????? Even that contradicts that they must be saying peace and safety before the alleged Pretrib rapture occurs. Since you can't possibly tell us the day and hour this Pretrib rapture would occur, this means you couldn't possibly know that it's not going to be in the middle of WW3, for example.

 

[amigo de christo]

When are you going to admit that the manner those worshiping the beast during great tribulation is not the same manner that those not worshiping it experience it? No one worshiping the beast is being made war with, then being overcome, and in some cases killed. Those worshiping the beast can still buy and sell. Those not worshiping it have to keep a low profile since they are being hunted down like animals. They certainly wouldn't be doing any of the following at the time---they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage. But the ones worshiping the beast would fit this---they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage---which basically means, as in life continues as normal, as if there is no end in sight. But you want us to believe that the beast and it's followers experience great tribulation in the same manner as those being made war against. Totally absurd.

Which brings up another question. What if WW3 is taking place when the alleged Pretrib rapture takes place, for example? And that describes a world saying peace and safety exactly how?????????? Even that contradicts that they must be saying peace and safety before the alleged Pretrib rapture occurs. Since you can't possibly tell us the day and hour this Pretrib rapture would occur, this means you couldn't possibly know that it's not going to be in the middle of WW3, for example.

Trump says DSA taking over democratic party are godless hardcore communists,​

what would you do if i told you that while what trump said about this party is true
He leads the world and its religions to the same god these godless communists do serve .
In fact
what would you do if i told you that both sides
to include as well protestant leaders as well as rcc leaders
can spout t ruths and yet be leading this ent ire world to the same g od
that even the very side they speak against is also leading their side too .
In fact
what would you do if i told you a delusion has been unleashed
and its gonna take everyone whose hopes and trusts had been in men
to perdition on the day of THE LORD JESUS CHRIST .
what would you say and what would you think
if i told us all the same god that rules the athiest , the agnostic , the false religions ,
and now a lot of even christendom
rules over them all now . and while it pits sides against sides
it only does so to keep them distracted
and yet all the while is pumping a love , and a peace that all will gather under .
And its love and its peace be of that god .
OH its happening .

 

[amigo de christo]

Weep , howl , cry aloud for on the day OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST
all whose hopes were in men and in this world are going down to perdition .
Howl and lie in sackcloth . repent and cry aloud to every man , woman and child
TO flee anything and any one connected to the all inclusive ecumeincal h arlot and her plan of peace of many anti christs .
Or prepare to be wailing on JESUS day . THERE WILL Be no peace n safety
only sudden destruction for them all on the day OF THE LORD JESUS .

 

[amigo de christo]

I guess it’s both.View attachment 91832

Trump says DSA taking over democratic party are godless hardcore communists,​

what would you do if i told you that while what trump said about this party is true
He leads the world and its religions to the same god these godless communists do serve .
In fact
what would you do if i told you that both sides
to include as well protestant leaders as well as rcc leaders
can spout t ruths and yet be leading this ent ire world to the same g od
that even the very side they speak against is also leading their side too .
In fact
what would you do if i told you a delusion has been unleashed
and its gonna take everyone whose hopes and trusts had been in men
to perdition on the day of THE LORD JESUS CHRIST .
what would you say and what would you think
if i told us all the same god that rules the athiest , the agnostic , the false religions ,
and now a lot of even christendom
rules over them all now . and while it pits sides against sides
it only does so to keep them distracted
and yet all the while is pumping a love , and a peace that all will gather under .
And its love and its peace be of that god .
OH its happening .

 

[rebuilder 454]

I guess it’s both.View attachment 91832

It isn't but I like the way you said that.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Quite contrary....pre-tribbers ignore the expicit statements that Jesus made concerning His return, they have to force multiple resurrections and multiple returns into the text to come up with some re-trib rapture. It's pitiful. The passages by Jesus are simple...He returns AFTER the tribulation just like he says.

No multiple resurrections beliefs by either side of the debate.
Go with the Bible.
Not what you heard or assume

 

[amigo de christo]

It isn't but I like the way you said that.

Weep and howl and howl and cry and lie in sackcloth and ashes and repent .
And get up and warn all and procliam to all to get out of anything connected in any way
to anything ecumeincal inclusive and its peace plan . OR the wailing on JESUS day will be yours .

 

[rebuilder 454]

Quite contrary....pre-tribbers ignore the expicit statements that Jesus made concerning His return, they have to force multiple resurrections and multiple returns into the text to come up with some re-trib rapture. It's pitiful. The passages by Jesus are simple...He returns AFTER the tribulation just like he says.

Both sides believe he returns after the 7yr trib.
You keep making non points.

 

[rebuilder 454]

When are you going to admit that the manner those worshiping the beast during great tribulation is not the same manner that those not worshiping it experience it? No one worshiping the beast is being made war with, then being overcome, and in some cases killed. Those worshiping the beast can still buy and sell. Those not worshiping it have to keep a low profile since they are being hunted down like animals. They certainly wouldn't be doing any of the following at the time---they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage. But the ones worshiping the beast would fit this---they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage---which basically means, as in life continues as normal, as if there is no end in sight. But you want us to believe that the beast and it's followers experience great tribulation in the same manner as those being made war against. Totally absurd.

Which brings up another question. What if WW3 is taking place when the alleged Pretrib rapture takes place, for example? And that describes a world saying peace and safety exactly how?????????? Even that contradicts that they must be saying peace and safety before the alleged Pretrib rapture occurs. Since you can't possibly tell us the day and hour this Pretrib rapture would occur, this means you couldn't possibly know that it's not going to be in the middle of WW3, for example.

Ever read rev 13?
It COMPLETELY destroys all your sentences.
There are Massive holes in your beliefs

QUOTE
,"Which brings up another question. What if WW3 is taking place when the alleged Pretrib rapture takes place, for example? And that describes a world saying peace and safety exactly how?????????? Even that contradicts that they must be saying peace and safety before the alleged Pretrib rapture occurs."


..OR maybe the bible is correct when it says normal life and commerce before the rapture.
What if the bible is true?

 

[rebuilder 454]

The only time I hear of "secret return" is with postribbers.
Look through all my posts.
You can not find me ever saying that or believing that.
So what is your next non point?
All you have is one liners with no purpose attached to it.
That is WHY no postribber can unpack the passages by Jesus

...and we will note no postribber defends what Jesus said.
(A rapture of half the church preflood, and normal life at the rapture.)

Not to mention rev 14, rev 13 and mat 25.
What massive omissions are needed for postribs to convince themselves of their postrib rapture talking points.

 

[shepherdsword]

No multiple resurrections beliefs by either side of the debate.
Go with the Bible.
Not what you heard or assume

When does the resurrection of the dead in Christ occur? At the "rapture" or the second coming?

 

[rebuilder 454]

How does Jesus say he will return? Not in some secret rapture like you have claimed.

No mention of a secret rapture here:
Mt 24:29-30
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

No mention of a secret rapture here either
Mt 26:64
Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

No mention of a secret rapture here either
1:9-11 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

No mention of a secret rapture here either
Rv 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

In short, no where does Jesus say He will return in some secret gathering before the second coming. The pretrib rapture is a big mess of goobly gook. It's not in scripture. It's only in the minds of those who have been taught by false teachers.

QUOTE
"I just presented numerous verses where Jesus was explicit about how He would return. He said nothing about some secret return. That is something you are reading into the text. You have believed a pack of lies."

You presented verses on the second coming and have no clue what the debate is.
Just wild ascribing of lies by Jesus.
You are basically calling Jesus a liar.

The ACTUAL DEBATE IS THE RAPTURE TIMING, NOT THE SECOND COMING.

IOW now you guys need to really dig in on that "one coming" theory.

So your deal is basically cooked from the start.

 

[Sel@h]

It isn't but I like the way you said that.

I was just kidding.

 

[shepherdsword]

QUOTE
"I just presented numerous verses where Jesus was explicit about how He would return. He said nothing about some secret return. That is something you are reading into the text. You have believed a pack of lies."

You presented verses on the second coming and have no clue what the debate is.
Just wild ascribing of lies by Jesus.
You are basically calling Jesus a liar.

I didn't call Jesus a liar. He returns after the tribulation, just as he said he would.

The ACTUAL DEBATE IS THE RAPTURE TIMING, NOT THE SECOND COMING.

post tribbers believe the rapture and the second coming are the same event. You claim they are not. THAT is the debate.

IOW now you guys need to really dig in on that "one coming" theory.

So your deal is basically cooked from the start.

The only thing cooking is a big ole batch of pre-trib false doctrine.

 

[rebuilder 454]

When does the resurrection of the dead in Christ occur? At the "rapture" or the second coming?

1 thes 4.
The dead in Christ RISE FIRST.

BTW, I hope you are aware that rev 14:14-15 has a rapture ( gathering) DURING THE TRIB????
AHEM, THAT MEANS YOUR DOCTRINE has a resurrection of the dead in Christ , of 1 thes 4 RISING AFTER the rev 14 gathering.
EVER THOUGHT ABOUT YOUR CONUNDRUM THERE???
Your doctrine has the dead in Christ NOT RISING FIRST, BIT AFTER THE LIVING.
Facepalm. So embarrasing!

That alone destroys your entire deal.
Thanks for bringing it up.

 

[rebuilder 454]

I didn't call Jesus a liar. He returns after the tribulation, just as he said he would.

post tribbers believe the rapture and the second coming are the same event. You claim they are not. THAT is the debate.

The only thing cooking is a big ole batch of pre-trib false doctrine.

Ok now defend your "one coming " against the multiple comings of the bible.
See the debacle you are in?