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The 'Lord, Lord' works done Without "repentance and faith"?:
Hebrews 6:1 refers and appeals to noting the times, as being past the foundation laid by Israel, and even past the basic or elementary principles of Christ. As a way of saying, that knowing where we are in the greater plan of God, we ought not dwell or stop there, but press on to what God has in store, and the very purpose of why those former things were established and brought into being and to pass. That they were brought to pass--not to remain in, as if to build the foundation of a house and not actually continue on to build the upper structure.
Legalism says, you are accepted, because you perform. License says, because you are accepted, obedience does not matter. Paul rejects both, then he gives the command that frames the whole passage, Galatians 5:16, the word flesh here does not mean the physical body is evil. Paul is not teaching hatred of the body, he is describing fallen human nature turned away from God, the old self-directed life that bends even good things inward until they become idols. Right before Galatians 5:22-23, Paul lists what that old life produces, sexual immorality, impurity, idolatry, hatred, strife, jealousy, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambition, dissensions, envy, drunkenness and more. You can almost hear a church coming apart in this list, arguments at tables, rival groups forming in corners, people measuring each other’s spirituality, freedom becoming self-protection, desire becoming law.
A Gentile believer sits at the table, still new to the scriptures of Israel, still learning the story of Abraham, Moses, David and the prophets, he has been told that through faith in Jesus Christ, he belongs, he is not a guest on the edge of God’s family, he is an heir. Then another teacher arrives and says, in effect, faith in Jesus is good, but it is not enough, you still need circumcision, you still need to take on the identity markers of the law of Moses, you need Jesus plus this. For that new believer, the question is not theoretical, it is the question of belonging, did Paul tell me the whole truth or am I still standing outside the door? That question would touch everything, it would touch who could eat together, who could marry whom, who could be called brother, who could pray with confidence, who could stand up in the assembly without feeling like a second-class believer, a doctrine that sounds abstract on paper becomes painful when it decides where you sit at the table.Scripture convinces me that the lineage of Paul teaches me how I am saved and not the lineage of Peter, John etc.
God calls you to build a guard over your mind, a spiritual filter, every idea, every story, every suggestion that anxiety throws at you must pass a test. 2 Corinthians 10:5, not every thought deserves to live in your mind, not every worry deserves a place at your table, not every fear deserves your agreement, you have the power through the Holy Spirit to test every thought, to measure it against truth, to cast it down if it does not align with the heart of God. Like 2 Timothy 1:7, if God didn’t give it, why are you carrying it, the spirit of lust is more than sexual temptation, its hunger dislocated, it stirs obsession with images, fantasy, stimulation, it reshapes your brain to confuse intimacy with indulgence, it haunts your quiet moments and it often works with shame to create the perfect trap.Yet today does it matter from where you come from or what your roots are ?
Aren't we all saved by the one gospel ?
What passages teach the gospel you are saved by ?
Is salvation based on this?Hebrews 9:14,
- how much more shall the blood of Christ who through the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God
In this context from dead works is probably speaking of the ashes of the red heifer which cleansed from ceremonial defilement caused by the contact with a dead body.
The blood of Christ cleanses the conscience from the defilement of dead works.
This was practised under the old law.
Numbers 19:9,
- and a man that is clean shall gather up the ashes of the heifer and lay them up without the camp in a clean place and it shall be kept for the congregation of the children of Israel for a water of seperation:
It is a purification for sin
The ashes were mixed with water for purification of anyone who touched a dead body.
This ritual restored ceremonial cleanliness. It did not remove moral guilt from sin.
Numbers 19:11,
- he that touches the dead body of any man shall be unclean seven days
Hebrews 9:13-14,
- for if the blood of bulls and goats and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh
- how much more shall the blood of Christ who though the eternal Spirit offered Himself without spot to God purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God
The blood of Christ cleanses the conscience from the defilement of dead works.
Hebrews 6:1,
- repentance from dead works...
They need to repent, change their mind of reliance on Levitical sacrifices from justification and remission of sins is not what the writer is saying they need to repent of. Yes these sacrifices cannot forgive sins. And they are no longer in effect as they are replaced with the new covenant, the law of Christ, Galatians 6:2.
Instead repentance of dead works are their sinful actions which produce death, Romans 6:23.
This is why the author uses the expression to purify the conscious from dead works. To serve the living God.
Dead works are their sins. When these sins are removed by believing in Jesus and obeying His commandments ones conscience is cleansed of the sins they commited.
@CoachedByChrist post no. 8
Yes, salvation cannot be obtained without repentance from dead works.Is salvation based on this?
To know, love and serve the living God.
Thks
Why is it necessary to state that we must repent from dead works??Yes, salvation cannot be obtained without repentance from dead works.
Romans 6:23,
- for the wages of sin is death but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord
Repentance for the lost involves new knowledge of Jesus and His gospel.
The knowledge from the gospel brings about godly sorrow for Christ being tortured to death for our sins as He was the only perfect "lamb" without spot(sin) that could atone for our sin wage.
As the writer of Hebrews noted the blood of animals could not atone for mans sin debt.
Only Gods Son was the perfect sacrifice to cleanse sin with His shed blood.
The knowledge gained from hearing the gospel, causes godly sorrow which leads to repentance from dead works.
Faith and repentance must occur in the lost sinner for Jesus' blood to cleanse us from a gulity conscience.
Hebrews 10:4, Hebrews 9:14
- for it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats should take away sins
- how much more shall the blood of Christ purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God
Hebrews 6:2,
- not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and faith toward God, of the doctrine of baptisms and the laying on of hands and the ressurection of the dead and of eternal judgment
- repentance from dead works....
2Corinthians 7:10,
- for godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation without regret, whereas worldly sorrow produces death
No, it is not nessary,Why is it necessary to state that we must repent from dead works??
Isn't it enough to say that we must repent?
Is salvation based on this?
To know, love and serve the living God.
Thks
Yes, salvation cannot be obtained without repentance from dead works
Hebrews 6:1-2
I like this version for Hebrews 6:1-2 NLTNo, it is not nessary,
Except when answering a specific question about repentance from dead works.
Hebrews 6:1-2
- therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ let us go on to perfection not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God
Seems christendom today is Still Throughly Confused about these, hence all the discussions tryingSo let us stop going over the basic teachings about Christ... again and again.......don’t need further instruction about baptisms, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment.
People are confused but not all.Seems christendom today is Still Throughly Confused about these, hence all the discussions trying
to Sort them out, eh?
The gospel of Christ is the law today. When obeyed these works are certainly not dead.Then these types Obedient works are living?:
"Many will say to Me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy Name?and in Thy Name have cast out devils? and in Thy Name done many wonderful works?..."(Matthew 7:22 AV)
If so, then why This Declaration?:
"...And then Will I Profess unto them, I Never Knew you: depart from Me, ye that work iniquity."(Matthew 7:23 AV) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . [ Dead works? ]Just wondering [ So much for { proposed By Many } Obedience Required For Eternal Salvation, eh? ]..
Grace Ambassador, there is only one gospel not two.Just wondering [ So much for { proposed By Many } Obedience Required For Eternal Salvation, eh? ]...