riots in Europe

[Douggg]

The past week there have been protest riots across Europe. In countries like France, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Belgium, Greece.

I wonder if this unforeseen activity could result in the group of ten leaders (called kings) and the little horn to emerge.

Daniel 7:7-8.

 

[Marilyn C]

The past week there have been protest riots across Europe. In countries like France, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Belgium, Greece.

I wonder if this unforeseen activity could result in the group of ten leaders (called kings) and the little horn to emerge.

Daniel 7:7-8.

No. The elites think that out of chaos will rise the Phenix (sp?) bird, a new world order.

Now I have just watched a 3 part documentary on former British PM Tony Blair. Very interesting for it affects the way many Christians and Trump have their world view. Blair and Bush (USA former President) saw the world as a fight between good and evil. Thus they believed that God was on the side of `good` and they had a moral duty to go to war.

Whereas we know from God`s word that God is overall and He is bringing the nations to be His Son`s footstool. (Ps. 110: 1) Then He will judge them.

The 10 kings come from Islam when it has come under their `messiah` figure.

As to the `little horn,` he arises after God brings the Russian Federation and others down to the Golan heights to be judged. (Joel 2 Ez. 38)

 

[ewq1938]

1. The ten horns/kings are from Europe.
2. The ten horns/kings are from Islam (religion).

I think we have no idea where they are from or who they will be. They appear to rise to power when the beast does because they don't have their kingdoms before that.

Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

 

[quietthinker]

Daniel 12:10
'Many will be purified, made spotless and refined, but the wicked will continue to be wicked. None of the wicked will understand, but those who are wise will understand'.

 

[Ziggy]

AI is an interesting tool.
I was considering the ten kings and the ten heads and how many Main characters control the European Union.
What is gave me was:

Number of Leaders in the European Union​

The European Union currently has three main political leaders — one for each of its three principal institutions — plus a rotating presidency for the Council of the EU.

According to the official EU website, the three main institutions each have a single president European Union:

1. President of the European Parliament – Roberta Metsola (term 2024–2027)
2. President of the European Council – António Costa (term 2024–2027)
3. President of the European Commission – Ursula von der Leyen (term 2024–2029)

These three are the most prominent “leaders” of the EU and are often referred to as the EU’s top political figures European Union.

Additional leadership structure:

• The Council of the EU (where national ministers meet to discuss legislation) does not have a permanent single president. Instead, its work is led by the country holding the Council presidency, which rotates every six months among EU member states European Union.
• Other EU bodies (e.g., European Central Bank, Court of Justice) also have their own heads, but these are not part of the main political leadership trio European Union.

In summary:

• Three permanent political leaders (Parliament, Council, Commission)
• One rotating leader for the Council of the EU each six months
• Other institutional heads exist, but they are not considered the main EU political leadership.

So, if you mean “main political leaders,” the answer is three. If you include the rotating Council presidency, there is a new leader every six months in addition to those three. Wikipedia

How many members are in the European Union?


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The European Union has 27 member countries as of 2026, according to official EU sources and multiple verified listings.​

Details​

• The EU was founded by six countries in 1951 and has expanded over time.
• The current membership count is 27, following the United Kingdom’s departure in 2020. geographyworlds.com
• This number is consistent across authoritative sources including EUR‑Lex, the European Union’s official portal, and updated geographic references. geographie.com

The EU’s membership count of 27 remains stable as of 2026.

This is even MORE interesting.
Who were the first 6 members who started the E.U. ?

The first six members of the European Union — often called the Inner Six or the Six — were Belgium, France, West Germany, Italy, Luxembourg, and the Netherlands Wikipedia+2.

Ouch..
where are those riots again?

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[Davy]

Like @ewq1938 says, the ten kings do not come to power until the "beast" (beast king of Rev.17) comes to power, and they reign "one hour" with the beast, per Rev.17:12-13.

And per Revelation 13, there are TWO beast TYPES revealed, a beast kingdom, and the beast king (i.e., "another beast").

That means the "ten kings" will reign only when the beast king arrives in Jerusalem and sets up his 42 months reign over ALL NATIONS and ALL PEOPLES, not just involving the EU.

The globalist think tank called the Trilateral Commission for decades has been working with governments towards a 3-part globalist division of the earth. They have also planned an American Union, and an Asia-Pacific Union, a tri-parte world.

This means the "ten kings" will be over ALL NATIONS along with the beast king, not just about the EU.

 

[Ziggy]

Well, there is always the United Nations:

The 193 member states collectively cover almost all of the world's land area and population, representing a near-universal international forum for diplomacy, peacekeeping, human rights, and global cooperation.
This structure makes the UN a central platform for addressing international issues, coordinating humanitarian efforts, and promoting global peace and security.

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[Davy]

Well, there is always the United Nations:

The 193 member states collectively cover almost all of the world's land area and population, representing a near-universal international forum for diplomacy, peacekeeping, human rights, and global cooperation.
This structure makes the UN a central platform for addressing international issues, coordinating humanitarian efforts, and promoting global peace and security.

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Do you recall in the Book of Daniel about the "little horn" subduing 3 of the 10 horns? The Hebrew does not mean the little horn destroys those 3, but only subdues them. I believe it might point to false-Messiah's future control structure on earth...

Picture a pyramid shape:

1. top level = the Antichrist/false Messiah/fake Jesus
2. mid level - the 3 subdued horns representing the three tri-parte division of the earth; European Union, the American Union, and Asia-Pacific Union.
3. bottom level - 7 horns (7 horns left out of the 10), over 7 continents of the earth.

 

[ewq1938]

AI is an interesting tool.
I was considering the ten kings and the ten heads and how many Main characters control the European Union.

There's only 7 heads and they are mountains (Rev 17) which are areas of land.

 

[Douggg]

Like @ewq1938 says, the ten kings do not come to power until the "beast" (beast king of Rev.17) comes to power, and they reign "one hour" with the beast, per Rev.17:12-13.

The ten kings had no kingdom at the time of John, 1st century. That's what Revelation 17:12 indicates. The ten kings are ten end times kings to be lead by the little horn. That's what Daniel 7:7-8 indicates.

In the end times, the ten kings will give their kingdom to the person who becomes the beast and rule with him for the 42 months of Revelation 13:5. The ten horns (the ten kings) in Revelation 13:1, having ten crowns, reflect that future status.

But before that episode begins, the ten kings (leaders) will organize as a group and be lead by the little horn person. That's what I think could possibly happen due to all unforeseen riots and protests and related activity going on in Europe right now. Maybe, don't know for sure right now.

 

[Douggg]

There's only 7 heads and they are mountains (Rev 17) which are areas of land.

The 7 heads represent 7 mountains (where the woman sits) Revelation 17:9 and also 7 kings Revelation 17:10.

 

[Ziggy]

I'm watching the Presidential Run-Off in Brazil between Lula and Bolsonaro.
Polls close in about 10 minutes.
Last time there was an election there was widespread mayhem.
Hugs

 

[TribulationSigns]

The past week there have been protest riots across Europe. In countries like France, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Belgium, Greece.

I wonder if this unforeseen activity could result in the group of ten leaders (called kings) and the little horn to emerge.

Daniel 7:7-8.

Oh brother. Another round of “spot the ten kings” in the European headlines! LOL! Apparently, every riot comes with a little horn waiting in the crowd.

Daniel 7:24 identifies the ten horns as kings arising from the fourth kingdom. Where does the passage say that protests in modern Europe signal their arrival? That connection comes from your premillennial assumptions, not the text.

Daniel received an interpretation of his vision (Daniel 7:16)—he wasn’t told to wait for the evening news in Europe to explain it. LOL.

 

[TribulationSigns]

The 10 kings come from Islam when it has come under their `messiah` figure.

As to the `little horn,` he arises after God brings the Russian Federation and others down to the Golan heights to be judged. (Joel 2 Ez. 38)

Sigh...

So now we have ten Islamic kings, an Islamic “messiah,” Russia, and the Golan Heights—all neatly assembled into Daniel 7! Quite a collection. Apparently, the interpretation comes with a geopolitical expansion pack.

Daniel 7:24 says the ten kings arise from the fourth kingdom. Where does Joel 2 or Ezekiel 38 say their defeat produces Daniel’s little horn? And where does either passage name the Russian Federation?

Quoting several chapters together doesn’t establish the connections what your newspaper Eschatology is claiming.

Please show those connections from Scripture. Come on—are we interpreting the evening news through Scripture, or rewriting Scripture to fit the evening news?

 

[TribulationSigns]

1. The ten horns/kings are from Europe.

No!

2. The ten horns/kings are from Islam (religion).

No!

Rev 17:12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

irst, what does it mean that these ten kings have “received no kingdom as yet,” but receive authority “one hour with the beast” (Revelation 17:12)?

Think carefully: What kingdom does the beast really want to rule that he would grant these ten kings authority to help him gain it? Think it is a physical kingdom the beast is coming after, humm?

Before searching for ten politicians, countries, men, or whatever, on the evening news, consider what kingdom and authority this vision describes. The next verses show them giving their power to the beast and making war against the Lamb (Revelation 17:13–14).

Do you honestly think identifying ten modern countries explains that spiritual conflict here?! Quoting the verse is one thing; demonstrating your interpretation from Scripture is another. That is the problem I am seeing here.

Selah!

 

[Marilyn C]

Sigh...

So now we have ten Islamic kings, an Islamic “messiah,” Russia, and the Golan Heights—all neatly assembled into Daniel 7! Quite a collection. Apparently, the interpretation comes with a geopolitical expansion pack.

Daniel 7:24 says the ten kings arise from the fourth kingdom. Where does Joel 2 or Ezekiel 38 say their defeat produces Daniel’s little horn? And where does either passage name the Russian Federation?

Quoting several chapters together doesn’t establish the connections what your newspaper Eschatology is claiming.

Please show those connections from Scripture. Come on—are we interpreting the evening news through Scripture, or rewriting Scripture to fit the evening news?

Yes fair enough. However, you could have just asked for more detail instead of all the emotional stuff.

The prophet Isaiah says that when the Lord comes to deliver Israel from its enemies He will deal with the Assyrian.

`So the Lord of hosts will come down to fight for Mount Zion and for its hill. Like birds flying about, so will the LORD of hosts defend Jerusalem. Defending He will also deliver it, passing over, He will preserve it.....Then the Assyrian shall fall by a sword not of man, and a sword not of man shall devour him....` (Isa. 31: 4,5 & 8)

Assyrian - from Iraq, Syria and Jordan. Obviously Islam.

Joel 2: 20 `But I will remove from you the northern army...` `Northern,` the remote area of the far north - obviously Russia.
Ez. 38: 15 `Then you will come from your place out of the far north, you and many peoples with you,...` again obviously Russia and many others.

When God deals with the Russian Federation and those with them then there will be a power vacuum in that area. A peace treaty will be made and the deception of the West begins. `Peace and safety,` they will cry....then sudden destruction for God will have started the tribulation. East and west will then work together being deceived by the Islamic leader. (Dan. 8: 25 `he shall cause deceit to prosper under his hand..)

This Islamic leader will be able to arise because the Shia/Sunni problem will have been dealt with. You see Iran`s military who is mostly Shia Muslims will have gone with the Russian Federation (Ez. 38: 5 Persia, ancient Iran) and been dealt with by God. That will then leave mostly the Sunni Muslims who are a majority anyway.

Oh, and BTW I was taught about Islam as a power to come by my Pastors and teachers way back in the `70`s when the Arabs were still mainly in tents in the desert.

 

[Marilyn C]

No!


No!


irst, what does it mean that these ten kings have “received no kingdom as yet,” but receive authority “one hour with the beast” (Revelation 17:12)?

Think carefully: What kingdom does the beast really want to rule that he would grant these ten kings authority to help him gain it? Think it is a physical kingdom the beast is coming after, humm?

Before searching for ten politicians, countries, men, or whatever, on the evening news, consider what kingdom and authority this vision describes. The next verses show them giving their power to the beast and making war against the Lamb (Revelation 17:13–14).

Do you honestly think identifying ten modern countries explains that spiritual conflict here?! Quoting the verse is one thing; demonstrating your interpretation from Scripture is another. That is the problem I am seeing here.

Selah!

`Why do the nations rage, and the people plot a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves and the rulers take counsel together against the LORD and against His anointed, saying, "Let us break their bonds in pieces and cast away their cords from us."

He who sits in the heavens shall laugh; the LORD shall hold them in derision. Then He shall speak to them in His wrath....` (Ps. 2: 1 - 5)

 

[TribulationSigns]

Yes fair enough. However, you could have just asked for more detail instead of all the emotional stuff

You’ve supplied more detail, but the same missing connections remain. “Assyrian” does not automatically mean an Islamic leader, and “far north” does not automatically mean the Russian Federation. Adding “obviously” supplies no biblical proof. Its called speculations based on private interpretation and evening news.

Where do these passages describe a Sunni–Shia resolution, a Russian power vacuum, or an Islamic leader uniting East and West? Those are additions to the text that you still need to demonstrate.

Being taught this in the ’70s establishes how long you’ve held the interpretation—not whether Scripture supports it.

 

[Marilyn C]

You’ve supplied more detail, but the same missing connections remain. “Assyrian” does not automatically mean an Islamic leader, and “far north” does not automatically mean the Russian Federation. Adding “obviously” supplies no biblical proof. Its called speculations based on private interpretation and evening news.

Where do these passages describe a Sunni–Shia resolution, a Russian power vacuum, or an Islamic leader uniting East and West? Those are additions to the text that you still need to demonstrate.

Being taught this in the ’70s establishes how long you’ve held the interpretation—not whether Scripture supports it.

God`s word says `far north` `tsaphon,` meaning - used only of the north as a quarter. (Thus my obviously Russia)

The Prophet Daniel gives more detail.

`Whereas you saw the feet and toes, partly of ptter`s clay and partly of irom, the kingdom shall be divided, yet the strength of iron shall be in it, just as you saw the iron mixed with ceramic clay.
And as the toes of the feet were partly of iron and partly of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong and partly fragile. As you saw iron mixed with ceramic clay, they will mingle with the seed of men; but they will not adhere to one another, just as iron does not mix with clay.

And in the days of these kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed; ...` (Dan. 2: 41 - 44)

The Shia/Sunni conflict is marked by strength and weakness and has been going on for decades if not centuries. Its leader is the Assyrian from the old Assyrian region - Iraq, Syria and Jordan.

Being taught in the `70`s also shows that my teachers were NOT looking at their newspapers for answers.

God`s word tells us that there will be a peace treaty (to do with Israel Dan. 9: 24 & 27) and a deceiver, (Dan. 8: 23 - 25) so obviously there will be a change of power in the Middle East.

 

[TribulationSigns]

`Why do the nations rage, and the people plot a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves and the rulers take counsel together against the LORD and against His anointed, saying, "Let us break their bonds in pieces and cast away their cords from us."

He who sits in the heavens shall laugh; the LORD shall hold them in derision. Then He shall speak to them in His wrath....` (Ps. 2: 1 - 5)

My question concerns the spiritual rebellion against Christ and His rule within the congregation (hint, hint: kingdom). Quoting Psalm 2 shows opposition to God’s Anointed, but how does that establish your identification of ten modern nations or an Islamic leader?

You still haven’t answered: What kingdom does the beast seek to dominate through the authority exercised by the ten kings? Go does not talking about physical kingdom in the Middle East or Europe at all! It is a spiritual kingdom so what kingdom will the Beast like to rule over before Christ's return? Selah!

Of course, you’re assuming that ten kings must mean ten individual men, political leaders, or modern nations. That is the false interpretation. You need to understand the symbolism here, the horns represent power or strength, ten represents fullness of whatever is in view. Together, they portray the fullness of that full power exercising dominion over kingdom for a short season, eg. one hour.

So return to the question: Over what kingdom does the beast seek to exercise authority through these ten kings, who have “received no kingdom as yet”?

Think about it: the Two Witnesses represent God’s elect, whom He empowers to proclaim His Word and exercise His spiritual rule in THIS kingdom. When they finish their testimony, the beast rises against them, overcomes them, and kills them (Revelation 11:7).

So, what kingdom, then, does the beast seek to seize from the Two Witnesses, humm? Over what kingdom do the ten kings finally exercise authority with the beast? Consider the spiritual rule within the congregation!! And what happens when faithful testimony is silenced. That is where you should focus on. Not making speculation with some physical nations in Europe or the Middle East according to the world evening news, your newspaper Eschatology, or according to your favorite 70's teachers.

Selah!