Sinless Perfection. Why do so many teach against what Jesus taught?

[RandyDawson]

And if a woman has wisdom, experience, and knowledge that you do not have, would you prefer to remain ignorant?

It's not biblical for women to be in authority over men and teaching men is trying to be in authority over them.

No need to worry about me though because the Lord gave me the Holy Spirit to lead and guide me in to all truth.
If there is something I need to know the Lord God is fully capable of teaching me thru His Spirit.

One way we can know someone is not being led by the Holy Spirit is their insistence that men sit under women.
That's not God's order.

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

I brought up that he doesn't recognize that Jesus took away our sin...

Jesus taking away our sin means he forgave the guilt of that sin and ended its power over us. This is explained in Hebrews. It says this is true because of the superior ministry and sacrifice of Jesus. You make a horrible error in judgement when you say the church does not know this.

...and that Jesus is our sacrifice.

It is Epi who does not understand what the sacrifice of Jesus does. He's oblivious to Jesus being the blood sacrifice God requires by which men are forgiven and declared righteous, apart from the works of the law.

He is sure you can only be declared righteous by being righteous. No one is good enough to be declared righteous that way, because no one is righteous all of the time. A declaration of righteousness can only be given as a free gift of God's grace through faith in his forgiveness. One sin keeps you from being declared righteous on the basis of your works of righteousness.

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

And it is His Spirit that has wiped my mind of all doctrines of man, especially from the Reformation which many of their doctrines are straight from demons.

Which is interesting considering that you have some beliefs that are decidedly Reformed. For example, you say no born again person can sin unto death. You're OSAS and don't realize it.

 

[Stumpmaster]

You're OSAS and don't realize it.

I'll allow it

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

You might want to wrap your head around the fact that sins unto death - lawlessness - have been removed from your nature, so you may partake of the divine nature of God.

ALL sin is unto death. In Christ, ALL sin is forgiven. There is no sin that Christ's ministry and sacrrifice can not forgive that the Levitical ministry and sacrifice couldn't:

Acts 13:38-39
38Therefore let it be known to you, brothers, that through Jesus the forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you. 39Through Him everyone who believes is justified from everything from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses.

The division of sins that could be forgiven, and sins that could not be forgiven under the Levitical system disappeared with the institution of the New Covenant and the unveiling of Christ's superior and more effective ministry and sacrifice. The division of sin unto death and sin that is not unto death no longer exists (with the exception of blasphemy of the Spirit, of course, a.k.a. deliberate and informed unbelief in the face of the testimony of the Holy Spirit). Christ can forgive ALL sin.

What about the gifts of the Spirit. Do you operate in any of those signs and wonders?

Yes.

And, no, I'm not going to tell you which ones because it is for God's glory, and the good of those who benefit from it. I detest the fame and fortune mentality of the world that presently grips the church. Everybody wants notoriety and exaltation, and a pay check, for the giftedness they think they have in Christ. It's sickening and it has ruined the church.

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

One sin keeps you from being declared righteous on the basis of your works of righteousness.

But someone might say, "but God forgives me." Okay. Then it's God's forgiveness that makes you righteous, not your works.

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

I disagree, at least a bit, because God also said He gave us some laws through Moses that were not good for us. Jesus also said about the laws for divorce that it was because of the hardness of our hearts that they were given, not because God desired it. Now, that He gave us some laws that were not good for us does not make it true that they are all bad for us and I have seen the spirit of some of them and Jesus Said the LAW and the prophets speak of Him.

In the days of the Patriarchs, polygamy was allowed by God, and was even governed by the law, though technically it is adultery. It was, IMO, a gracious concession to mankind for the benefit of women as the weaker sex to find provision and security in marriage and family. This isn't so apparent to us in this age we're in now where women have big corporations and government in which to find provision and security.

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

But you previously said He “takes away lawless sin from our old man” so it appeared to me that you meant the Old man was not yet crucified but only certain sins we were rendered incapable of.

And that's where her theology breaks down.

She says it is because we are delivered from sin that we don't, and can't, commit the big sins (the ones that could not be forgiven under the law and required death). Why aren't we delivered from all sin? Has the sin nature only been partially crucified?

According to the way she defines and describes what happens when the flesh/sin nature is crucified, it has to have either happened completely, or not at all. But neither is true in her theology. The outcome of her theology is only some sin is ended. That is not consistent with what she says the crucifixion of the 'sin nature' means.

The crucifixion of the flesh/sin nature means the power and authority of the flesh has died. As Christians, what we are to do now is believe that and stop thinking it still has power and authority over us to make us sin. We spend a lifetime in Christ learning how to do that, and wanting to do that. It's a journey of faith toward what God has said is true.

As born again children of God our fundamental inner desire and leading is to be like Christ. But we live in unredeemed bodies and we war with the voice of the flesh and the devil tempting and luring us to obey and submit to the things that God says we don't have to obey and submit to anymore. Jesus has redeemed us from our slavery to the taskmaster of sin that we sold ourselves to. We are now free to serve him who bought us. Believe it. That's what Romans 6 is all about.

 

[Marvelloustime]

what many do not seem to realize is
Epi and those incluisivains BRING US A FALSE GOPSEL . He , as in epi , has not only
came after me for my reminders ONE MUST FIRST BELIEVE IN JESUS or its all in vain .
THE MAN came after me for preaching to AN ATHIEST of his dire need to repent and BELEIVE ON JESUS .
EPI called it religious ext remism . SOON to even preach the gospel
will not only be seen as relig oius extremism , by the false religoins and a heap of christendom .
FRIEND IT WILL BE AGAISNT the law to do so by this all inclusive god and it will
enforce this law by means of a powerful AI image speaking , digital system . one in wh ich
if one does not comply then he or she no buy .

@amigo de christo

 

[MostlyConfused]

Why aren't we delivered from all sin?

Because of unbelief and a desire to not give up our life here to find our life.

 

[Episkopos]

Because of unbelief and a desire to not give up our life here to find our life.

In Christ we are delivered from ALL sin. Forgiveness is never the point. Only habitual and dyed in the wool sinners are looking for forgiveness. Like criminals looking for amnesty. But a follower of Christ is looking for DELIVERANCE from sin...ALL sin. And the bible speaks of this ALL THE TIME. It's just that only faith can lay hold of the available grace that gives us that kind of victory. What the migrants here espouse is a NON assimilation into the kingdom realm culture...whereby they want God's support for being illegal squatters.

Ask then how important obedience is to God and His ways...and they will say that's based on works. They want a free refugee status. They want to stay sinners and get an approval , corrupt government style, to NOT assimilate into the kingdom culture of surrender into victory.

 

[ProDeo]

In Christ we are delivered from ALL sin. Forgiveness is never the point. Only habitual and dyed in the wool sinners are looking for forgiveness. Like criminals looking for amnesty. But a follower of Christ is looking for DELIVERANCE from sin...ALL sin.

You are right on the green.

You are wrong on the red, during the process of deliverance from sin, we need forgiveness. 1 John 1:8-10

The blood of Christ, have you forgotten why He gave His life ?

 

[Episkopos]

You are right on the green.

You are wrong on the red, during the process of deliverance from sin, we need forgiveness. 1 John 1:8-10

The blood of Christ, have you forgotten why He gave His life ?

Jesus gave His life to buy back (redeem) the WORLD unto Himself. So you are very much missing the plan of God. It NEVER says for God so loved the church that He gave His only Son.

And we need forgiveness because of our failures and lack of faith. That is NOT the standard of Christ. That is the standard of men. Of course when we are in the middle of a race we don't know how we will finish. But to stop running and demand to know if we are winning or losing is the silliest thing possible. We are to run...by faith with hope of a good end. There are NO guarantees in the race.

Imagine an athlete who has just started a race and wants forgiveness all the time. That is someone who is a loser in the race and disqualified.

Get your eyes on Jesus and off yourself and your poor condition. Look to Jesus and run to win.

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

Because of unbelief and a desire to not give up our life here to find our life.

You missed what I was asking.

If sin is removed the way @1stCenturyLady says it is removed through the crucifixion of the flesh/sin nature, why is sin only partially removed in her theology? Is only some of the sin nature crucified?

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

Forgiveness is never the point.

Now you're saying there is no forgiveness.

Let's just go with that for now. What happened to the guilt of your past sin? Did it just go away? You had said before it goes away when God forgives you if/when you forgive others. Now you seem to be saying there isn't.

So which is it, is there the forgiveness of God in your theology, or not?

 

[JosephMitchell]

It is written Seek ye first, the kingdom of God, and his righteousness, and all these things shall be added unto you. The answer depends on seeking and finding where the Kingdom of God and His Righteousness is FIRST found. Finding, you find all these things are added unto you. Question?

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

Jesus gave His life to buy back (redeem) the WORLD unto Himself.

Jesus was given by God as a ransom to set us free from the just penalty of the law. You know how ransoms work, right? That means he exchanged places with us in our captivity to sin and he took the death penalty prescribed by the law for being in that place onto himself in our place. It is by his blood that he shed in our place that the justice of the law is satisfied, not your works. With his justice having been satisfied there is no debt of law remaining to condemn the believer. He is forgiven and set free from both the guilt of sin, and the bondage of sin by having faith in and receiving Christ's ransom on our behalf (even Reformists believe this!).

There is no satisfaction of the law for substitutionary lifeblood in your 'gospel'. Instead of relying on the blood of Christ for the satisfaction of God's justice for sin that the law requires, you are relying on the righteousness of your works to satisfy God's justice. There is no ransom, no substitutionary blood in your gospel. Works are not the agent through which God forgives sin. Blood is. Are you not familiar with this in the old testament? Do you not know that the blood and body of Jesus is the fulfilling of the law for blood sacrifice for the turning away of the just penalty for sin and the forgiveness of that sin?

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

It is written Seek ye first, the kingdom of God, and his righteousness, and all these things shall be added unto you. The answer depends on seeking and finding where the Kingdom of God and His Righteousness is FIRST found. Finding, you find all these things are added unto you. Question?

So is righteousness found by doing right, or by having your unrighteousness forgiven and the righteousness of God credited to you as a free gift of his grace apart from your works?

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Jesus taking away our sin means he forgave the guilt of that sin and ended its power over us. This is explained in Hebrews. It says this is true because of the superior ministry and sacrifice of Jesus. You make a horrible error in judgement when you say the church does not know this.

Forgave the guilt of that sin, but not the sin, itself? Nonsense, as are most of the doctrines of the Reformation, including OSAS. Jesus came to "take away our sin." From where? The SOURCE. The old man, the sin nature itself, leaving us clean of all unrighteousness, which in 1 John 3 is lawlessness - mortal sins unto death.

5 For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. 7 For he who has died has been freed from sin.

18 And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness.

It is Epi who does not understand what the sacrifice of Jesus does. He's oblivious to Jesus being the blood sacrifice God requires by which men are forgiven and declared righteous, apart from the works of the law.

He is sure you can only be declared righteous by being righteous. No one is good enough to be declared righteous that way, because no one is righteous all of the time. A declaration of righteousness can only be given as a free gift of God's grace through faith in his forgiveness. One sin keeps you from being declared righteous on the basis of your works of righteousness.

18 And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness.

Which is interesting considering that you have some beliefs that are decidedly Reformed. For example, you say no born again person can sin unto death. You're OSAS and don't realize it.

The doctrines of the Reformation lead to death.

18 For when they speak great swelling words of emptiness, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through lewdness, the ones who have actually escaped from those who live in error. 19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by whom a person is overcome, by him also he is brought into bondage. 20 For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. 21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. 22 But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: “A dog returns to his own vomit,” and, “a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire.”

ALL sin is unto death. In Christ, ALL sin is forgiven. There is no sin that Christ's ministry and sacrrifice can not forgive that the Levitical ministry and sacrifice couldn't:

Acts 13:38-39
38Therefore let it be known to you, brothers, that through Jesus the forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you. 39Through Him everyone who believes is justified from everything from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses.

The division of sins that could be forgiven, and sins that could not be forgiven under the Levitical system disappeared with the institution of the New Covenant and the unveiling of Christ's superior and more effective ministry and sacrifice. The division of sin unto death and sin that is not unto death no longer exists (with the exception of blasphemy of the Spirit, of course, a.k.a. deliberate and informed unbelief in the face of the testimony of the Holy Spirit). Christ can forgive ALL sin.

1 John 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin, and there is sin not leading to death.

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

Forgave the guilt of that sin, but not the sin, itself?

How did you get that out of what I said? I said:

"Jesus taking away our sin means he forgave the guilt of that sin and ended its power over us."