The Case for a Post-Tribulation Second Coming

[rebuilder 454]

THREE? And you say post trib is a strange belief. smh

A few years ago, I started a thread titled "the postrib rapture doctrine", where I invited postribbrrs to convince me, with no sideshow, mocking, or pretrib rapture supposed error, of their doctrine.
IOW, teach me how you came up with some biblical ppstrib rapture doctrine.
NOBODY COULD DO IT.
So you remind me of that same postribber quagmire.

Tons and tons of, "you are incorrect", "but I have no idea why scripturally"

You just despise the pretrib rapture doctrine and anyone with that view.
Look at your total failure to post one verse supporting your teacher's tired theory.
Nada...zip....zero.

 

[rebuilder 454]

THREE? And you say post trib is a strange belief. smh

Bible knowledge.
1 the church
2 the jewish gathering of rev 14
3 the secong coming on millions of horses blackening the sky.

It seems impossible to look at all three and dishonestly blend them together.

I am not in any NEED to change the word of God.
You guys recklessly do it with great joy and "authority"

Just dump your bible and keep your erroneous teachers.

It is a travesty.

 

[rebuilder 454]

IMO:
The first future coming of Jesus is to a cloud to catch up believers, putting them out of harm's way of the coming scroll and bowl judgments. This is depicted in Revelation 14:14-16.

The second future coming of Jesus is to the plain of Megiddo in Israel, been there, seen it. Satan and his angels will be assembled there waiting to engage Jesus and his angels.

The New Testament specifies this place, and Satan can read the new Testament as well as I can:

"...gathered the kings to the place that in Hebrew is called Armageddon (Revelation 16:16).

"Armageddon" is a Greek/English rendering of Hebrew:

הר (har) = "mountain, hill"
(rendered in Greek as ar, not har, since Greek has no h)

מגדו (Megiddo) = "prominent ancient city in the Jezreel Valley, long gone."

Rev 14:14,15 is during the trib.
It is a Jewish gathering.
That gathering has 144,000 JEWISH FIRSTFRUITS.
The pretrib rapture is the gathering of the bride.
That gathering has a DIFFERENT FIRSTFRUITS.... (JESUS).
The third is the second coming of rev 19.

 

[rebuilder 454]

THREE? And you say post trib is a strange belief. smh

BTW ask yourself why the Gathering by Jesus sitting on a cloud, has a FIRSTFRUITS OF 144,000 JEWS.

Then ask yourself who is the firstfruits of the church.

What gathering are you in?
Which one?
Who is the firstfruits of the rapture?
144,000 Jews?????
Are 144,000 jews your firstfruits??????

 

[rebuilder 454]

Can any postribber list the 3 comings, and tell me how those 3 magically got blended into one, inspite of the written Word of God?

You can not list them or tell me honestly why your doctrine casts the Bible down.

 

[Sel@h]

Can any postribber list the 3 comings, and tell me how those 3 magically got blended into one, inspite of the written Word of God?

You can not list them or tell me honestly why your doctrine casts the Bible down.

Little brother dear,
Would you please tell me again what the 3 comings are? I’m sure you’ve mentioned it before but I can’t remember.

 

[rebuilder 454]

It’s getting close; the latter days are already here. Let’s not be deceived.

The gathering of believers to Christ will only occur after the Antichrist has reigned.

The popular "Rapture" theory, specifically the Pre-tribulation view, suggests that Christ will remove the church before the tribulation begins. This view claims believers will be whisked away to safety, avoiding all the fear and chaos of the Antichrist. However, this idea lacks biblical support and suggests a cowardice inconsistent with the faith of those who have died defending the truth. Our protection comes from God, our Rock, not from physical hiding places like caves in Petra.

Scripture is clear that the return of Christ happens at the last trump, after the "man of sin" is revealed. In 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8, Paul explicitly warns believers not to be deceived: the Day of Christ cannot come until there is a great falling away and the son of perdition is revealed. This false messiah will exalt himself and sit in the temple of God, claiming to be God.

While some theorists claim that the "restrainer" mentioned in 2 Thessalonians 2:7 is the Holy Spirit being removed during a Rapture, this is very poor scholarship. The context makes it clear that the restrainer is holding back Satan, not the church. In reality, the Archangel Michael is the one restraining Satan in heaven.

Satan’s spirit is active on earth, but he himself is not yet here in person. He will be cast out by Michael and his angels, arriving on earth first to reign as the false christ. Only after this event will the gathering to Christ occur. Do not be deceived by theories; rely solely on the Word of God.

Remember, Jesus Christ IS NOT returning until the great apostasy (falling away) occurs AFTER Satan, the son of perdition (meaning the son who will perish), is revealed.

You left oit rev 13, where power is given the ac to kill all believers.
You also left out Jesus teaching on the pretrib rapture.

So no , you did not make a case for your theory.
You only are trying to cover up truth presented in Gods word.

Little brother dear, View attachment 92226
Would you please tell me again what the 3 comings are? I’m sure you’ve mentioned it before but I can’t remember.

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[Sel@h]

You left oit rev 13, where power is given the ac to kill all believers.
You also left out Jesus teaching on the pretrib rapture.

Would you die for Jesus if it came down to it?

There is no pretrib rapture.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Would you die for Jesus if it came down to it?

There is no pretrib rapture.

Every true believer settles it with the devil at salvation
Every true believer forsakes this world and GLADLY gives up this life.

Postribbers confuse all that.
They actually believe that they are superior to us that await his coming.
Postribbers are NOT looking for Jesus.
They are waiting for the false Jesus.
Postribbers are tribulation centered as you are demonstrating.
Pretrib doctrine is Jesus/ groom/ bride centered.

QUOTE
"There is no pretrib rapture."

Look at mat 24 for the first time.
37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

Hello...."Before the flood, normal life, a rapture of 1/2 of some group.
Half taken before the trib.
Then the command to watch and be ready".

Now let's force it into your deal.

You guys say that there is a "wicked person" taken before the flood....SMH..PLAIN DUMB.
THE TEXT says half are taken
So you guys are basically attempting to make us believe some wild speculation, by your teachers, that 1/2 of earths population is heathen, and 1/2 born again.
NOTHING could possibly be more ludicrous.

So keep twisting Jesus's words and taking the debate into rabbit trails.

You are parked in error pretending to be open minded.

You guys say the "taken christians" are AFTER THE FLOOD/ TRIB.( your postrib workbook silly assertion)
Yeah we can all see Noah and Lot gathered postflood/ fire....plain ridiculous.


"There is no pretrib rapture."
SMH...as if Jesus lied.
Ask a postribber to unpack the 10 virgins Parable, Rev 13, and the 144,000, then Rev 14 the gathering by Jesus sitting on a cloud holding a sickle.
It is flat out comical what they invent.

This is your main problem.
Your doctrine has no provion for Jesus words in mat 24...NONE.
Your doctrine has no provision for the PURPOSES of the rapture , the regrafting of the Jews from romans 9-11, the story of Rurh, Gomer of Hosea, the marriage supper, the times of the Gentiles ending, etc.

It is so vast your misunderstanding of end times.

If I ask you " what is the purpose of the rapture?"....you would HAVE TO GO to your doctrine...and guess what ????....they don't know !!!!

If I ask you , "where are the Jews grafted back in, as prophesied in romans 9-11", your workbook will tell you " well they get saved here and there, so that is all it means"
PURE ERROR AND JUST THROWING mental remarks at the Holy Bible.

God is a God of purpose.
Its is tragic that ALL POSTRIBBERS, every single one, MUST THEN EMBRACE replacement theology. ( dear lord, the reckless disregard of Gods Holy Bible)
( to erase the 144,000 and the Jewish gathering of rev 14)

So by just one false leading of your teachers, your NEW MODIFIED BIBLE ignorantly addresses the 144,000, romans 9-11, the book of Hosea, the book of Ruth, and Jesus on a cloud gathering the grafted in Jews.

All in total defiance of God’s purposes.
You and your teachers HAVE NO CLUE as to Gods purposes in end times.

It is some abstract fear of the trib, and your obsession of "GOING THROUGH", what Rev 13 says NONE OF YOU GO THROUGH.
(Ahem ....all die refusing the mark)

You really want to enter the trib after the rapture?
Then if you want to, "go through it", you will have to take the mark.

....which leads is back to mat 24.
How many wicked taken in your made up "wicked people rapture" have the mark?
How many do not?
Think about it. It is where your doctrine HAS TAKEN YOU.
( let me help you play out your theory...all "taken" , according to your deal, will be marked. That is your doctrines assumption)
Now think about that impossibility.
Whew....massive massive molestation of Gods Holy Book

I have put you at several crossroads.
....and you are totally unaware of it.