Only the unsaved soul can support genocide

[ScottA]

Why are you comparing the Old Testament with what's going on today? They're two totally different things. First of all, we live in the age of the New Covenant. We're not going by Mosaic law anymore, are we? And if everyone is under the New Covenant that would mean these Jews as well, right? Or do you think they have a separate special plan from God, like another Covenant or something?

I think that's the main problem. Jesus tells us to love our neighbor. He forbids murdering of the innocent especially children. Why in the world would you say those things?

Good, you have identified the riff.

Which is not divided by the Old Testament or Covenant, or the New. It is divided by the flesh and the spirit, the natural and the spiritual--of which each of those ministries by Word and Covenants alludes to. Contrary to the divide as many believe and you likewise have stated it, Paul snuck in a hint not meant to be fully realized until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. Which is: "we who are alive and remain"--a phrase that encompasses the entire age of those born again of the spirit of God since Pentecost--as we who are alive in the Spirit, but remain in the flesh and in the world until the passing of the flesh, occurring throughout many generations.

The point being, Yes, we, like those under the Old Covenant and the writings of the Old Testament, do indeed live as they lived under the law of sin and death upon the flesh--as we too have bodies of flesh and live in the world as they also did. So, yes, we also go out to war and the shedding of blood, even though we also carry the firstfruits of the Spirit unto the end. This is what is meant by "And he set his right foot on the sea and his left foot on the land." Which speaks of Christ--and "remaining" in the world, it is we who are His who "in Christ" are "his left foot"--left in the world to finish the work of Christ among the Gentiles.

And now you are among the first to know.

 

[Jack]

Revelation 1:7 KJV
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Matthew 24:27,30 KJV
For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
[30] And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Thessalonians 4:17 KJV
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Wherever you are on this earth if you were waiting for Jesus, you will see Him.

So you don't even know that Jesus will return to Israel!

 

[Luther7]

So you don't even know that Jesus will return to Israel!

Colossians 3:2 KJV
Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.

The fatal mistake of a zionist christian is putting their faith in physical places and situations made by sinful man. Every eye will see Him. It will be so glorious. So miraculous to see this. It will be in a different dimension in space for it will be spiritual.

 

[Jack]

Colossians 3:2 KJV
Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.

The fatal mistake of a zionist christian is putting their faith in physical places and situations made by sinful man. Every eye will see Him. It will be so glorious. So miraculous to see this. It will be in a different dimension in space for it will be spiritual.

Ok, I'll give you Scripture where Jesus will return since you are avoiding it like plague.

Zechariah 14:1-4
1 Behold, the day of the LORD is coming,...
2 For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
3 Then the LORD will go forth And fight against those nations, As He fights in the day of battle.
4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east.

It's called Israel!

 

[Luther7]

Ok, I'll give you Scripture where Jesus will return since you are avoiding it like plague.

Zechariah 14:1-4
1 Behold, the day of the LORD is coming,...
2 For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
3 Then the LORD will go forth And fight against those nations, As He fights in the day of battle.
4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east.

It's called Israel!

Zechariah 14:8- 9
And in that day living water shall come forth out of Jerusalem; half of it toward the former sea, and half of it toward the latter sea: and so shall it be in summer and spring. 9 And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day there shall be one Lord, and his name one,

Revelation 21:9-10 KJV - bride, the Lamb's wife.
10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
Revelation 22:1 KJV - And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

There is no question that the latter half of Zechariah is describing the heavenly Jerusalem. Not everything in the Bible is to be taken literally. It is much easier to understand the Lord's second coming in the New Testament. God makes it very clear that he is going to gather all of His people (Christians ) from the four corners of the earth and that every eye will see him that day. He doesn't say anything about the physical sin cursed place called Israel. It is completely irrelevant regarding being with Jesus Christ in a new heaven and earth.

 

[quietthinker]

Ok, I'll give you Scripture where Jesus will return since you are avoiding it like plague.

Zechariah 14:1-4
1 Behold, the day of the LORD is coming,...
2 For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
3 Then the LORD will go forth And fight against those nations, As He fights in the day of battle.
4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, Which faces Jerusalem on the east.

It's called Israel!

yes Jack.....and when it rains heavily, you can see cats and dogs..... I understand!

 

[Jack]

Zechariah 14:8- 9
And in that day living water shall come forth out of Jerusalem; half of it toward the former sea, and half of it toward the latter sea: and so shall it be in summer and spring. 9 And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day there shall be one Lord, and his name one,

Revelation 21:9-10 KJV - bride, the Lamb's wife.
10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
Revelation 22:1 KJV - And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

There is no question that the latter half of Zechariah is describing the heavenly Jerusalem. Not everything in the Bible is to be taken literally. It is much easier to understand the Lord's second coming in the New Testament. God makes it very clear that he is going to gather all of His people (Christians ) from the four corners of the earth and that every eye will see him that day. He doesn't say anything about the physical sin cursed place called Israel. It is completely irrelevant regarding being with Jesus Christ in a new heaven and earth.

"And His feet will stand on the Mt of Olives". That ain't the heavenly Jerusalem!

 

[Jack]

yes Jack.....and when it rains heavily, you can see cats and dogs..... I understand!

That's your fairy tale, not mine.

 

[quietthinker]

That's your fairy tale, not mine.

Like I said, I understand!

 

[Jack]

Like I said, I understand!

So explain what you "understand"!

 

[Jack]

Who said anyone worships Israel?

It's just a lie from Satan. Christians only worship Jesus.

 

[quietthinker]

So explain what you "understand"!

I refrain Jack...because, your track record tells me you wouldn't ......or even can't understand.

 

[Jack]

I refrain Jack...because, your track record tells me you wouldn't ......or even can't understand.

IOW, you can't explain what you "understand"! And I understand clearly that you admitted you don't believe the Bible. But what I don't understand is why you profess to be Christian attacking the Bible. Do they have a different Jesus in Aussie Land?

 

[quietthinker]

IOW, you can't explain what you "understand"! And I understand clearly that you admitted you don't believe the Bible. But what I don't understand is why you profess to be Christian attacking the Bible. Do they have a different Jesus in Aussie Land?

That's right, you wouldn't understand, that's why I'm giving no explanations

 

[ScottA]

"And His feet will stand on the Mt of Olives". That ain't the heavenly Jerusalem!

Jack...do you not understand that every word from God, directly or indirectly, points to His heavenly realm?

You are supposed to be hearing--not just the words, and their worldly definition--but rather "what the Spirit says", which is defined spiritually. Understand what Jesus said, "The words that I speak to you are spirit" (John 6:63).

In your above statement, it is obvious that you are only looking at everything worldly. However, in that passage (so that you may know and understand), "His feet"--is us, we who are His. And the "Mount of Olives" is the Mount of His anointing (oil). The words, "are spirit."

 

[Debp]

"And His feet will stand on the Mt of Olives". That ain't the heavenly Jerusalem!

I agree with you @Jack. If one starts reading at the beginning of Zachariah 14, it is clear the nations are attacking Jerusalem.

And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives,
Which faces Jerusalem on the east.
And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two,
From east to west,
Making a very large valley;
Half of the mountain shall move toward the north
And half of it toward the south. Zachariah 14:4


Also there will be plagues to those who fought against Jerusalem.

10 All the land shall be turned into a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem. Jerusalem shall be raised up and inhabited in her place from Benjamin’s Gate to the place of the First Gate and the Corner Gate, and from the Tower of Hananel to the king’s winepresses.

11 The people shall dwell in it;
And no longer shall there be utter destruction,
But Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.

12 And this shall be the plague with which the Lord will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem:

Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet,
Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets,
And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.

 

[Jack]

That's right, you wouldn't understand, that's why I'm giving no explanations

IOW you can't explain why you're in a Christian Forum and reject the Christian Bible!

 

[Jack]

Jack...do you not understand that every word from God, directly or indirectly, points to His heavenly realm?

You are supposed to be hearing--not just the words, and their worldly definition--but rather "what the Spirit says", which is defined spiritually. Understand what Jesus said, "The words that I speak to you are spirit" (John 6:63).

In your above statement, it is obvious that you are only looking at everything worldly. However, in that passage (so that you may know and understand), "His feet"--is us, we who are His. And the "Mount of Olives" is the Mount of His anointing (oil). The words, "are spirit."

So you don't know where Jesus will return! It's called Israel, the Land of the Bible!

 

[ScottA]

So you don't know where Jesus will return! It's called Israel, the Land of the Bible!

"So you don't know" and reject that "The last Adam [Christ] became a life-giving spirit."

So be it.

 

[Jack]

"So you don't know" and reject that "The last Adam [Christ] became a life-giving spirit."

So be it.

I know where Jesus will return. ISRAEL! Anyone who speaks against Israel is cursing himself and family!