Once saved always saved

[WHO ME]

Why do people when you read lukes faithful servant not understand that it shows ONE SERVANT who if Jesus when He comes find him doing the work of a servant he is rewarded, BUT if that SAME SERVANT decides to go back to his old life and Jesus comes he is NOW appointed with the unbelivers...

It shows 3 possible outcomes for a person

1. The unbeliever gets beatin with few beatings

2. The fallen believers gets many beatings (willfully sinning again)(faith without works is dead)(dog has returned to his vomit as he became entangled again in the pollutions) (he is worst off than when he was an unbeliever getting many beatings over a few the unbeliever get)

3. The believer who stays the course is rewarded (faithful servant)

3 outcomes shows there more than believers and unbelivers.....
How do you not understand this?

 

[Dryhn]

Why do people when you read lukes faithful servant not understand that it shows ONE SERVANT who if Jesus when He comes find him doing the work of a servant he is rewarded, BUT if that SAME SERVANT decides to go back to his old life and Jesus comes he is NOW appointed with the unbelivers...

It shows 3 possible outcomes for a person

1. The unbeliever gets beatin with few beatings

2. The fallen believers gets many beatings (willfully sinning again)(faith without works is dead)(dog has returned to his vomit as he became entangled again in the pollutions) (he is worst off than when he was an unbeliever getting many beatings over a few the unbeliever get)

3. The believer who stays the course is rewarded (faithful servant)

3 outcomes shows there more than believers and unbelivers.....
How do you not understand this?

Why do you reject who Christ UNIQUELY selected to teach you how to enter Heaven ?
Paul << Acts 9:15, Rom 11:13, Rom 15:16

 

[WHO ME]

Who did Christ select to teach the saving gospel to you & I ?
Paul or Luke ?
Hmm, lets see :-
Acts 9:15, Rom 11:13, Rom 15:16 >> Paul

Now who did all the other Apostles agree on was to teach you & I ?
Gal 2:7-9 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Paul

Faith comes by hearing the gospel and you have faith in whom? You must know who Jesus is first before you can have faith in him and matt mark and LUKE and john are where you get that imformation from before you can believe on His name.... jews and gentiles have the same path of salvation

 

[Dryhn]

Faith comes by hearing the gospel and you have faith in whom? You must know who Jesus is first before you can have faith in him and matt mark and LUKE and john are where you get that imformation from before you can believe on His name.... jews and gentiles have the same path of salvation

Gal 1:11-12 -- Christ taught Paul THAT gospel by which you are saved
1 Cor 15:1-4 is THAT gospel
So why do you reject it ?

 

[WHO ME]

Why do you reject who Christ UNIQUELY selected to teach you how to enter Heaven ?

So dont read matt mark luke and john and you cannot know who Jesus is then can you.

In those books we know it is by believing on His name to be saved.... I have to know who jesus is before I can believe....

 

[FaithWillDo]

Once saved, always saved is true.
Faith & trust in the death, burial, resurrection of Christ = saved, justified, HS sealed :)
1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13, Eph 4:30

Dear Dryhn,
Faith is what makes Christ's pathway straight for Him to appear and convert/save a person.

To begin the salvation process, Christ will give a person the Early Rain which, in turn, will give them a measure of faith. But since their faith is given in "measure", the person will eventually mix their own works with faith.

This mixing of works with faith is what the verse below is teaching:

Prov 23:26 My son, give me thine heart, and let thine eyes observe my ways. 27 For a whore is a deep ditch; and a strange woman (Great Harlot) is a narrow pit. 28 She also lieth in wait as for a prey, and increases the transgressors among men. 29 Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes? 30 They (babes) that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine (Old & New Covenant mixed together). 31 Look not thou upon the wine when it is red (Old Wine), when it giveth his color in the cup, when it moves itself (man’s works) aright. 32 At the last it bites like a serpent, and stings like an adder.

This is when a babe who draws milk is "taken" by Satan:

Isa 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? Them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts (converted believers). 10 For concept must be upon concept, concept upon concept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: 11 For with stammering lips and another language (spiritual language) will he speak to this people. 12 But the word of the LORD was unto them (babes who draw milk) concept upon concept, concept upon concept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken (by Satan).

The mixing of works with faith makes the pathway for Christ to appear "crooked". To correct that crooked pathway (after a time of waiting), Christ will come again to the person and pour out the Latter Rain (the baptism). The Latter Rain will heal the person's spiritual blindness (the scales will fall from their eyes). After their blindness is healed, they will see the Abomination of Desolation (Mat 24:15) and will come out of Satan's deceptions. They will then repent of their works which will make Christ's pathway straight. Christ will then appear and convert the person. Once saved, always saved applies at this time.
Joe

 

[WHO ME]

You act as if todays believer should not read matt mark and luke.... when peter believed it is the same way as gentiles are saved and we learn who Jesus is first before we can believe and most of that info is in those 4 books.....

 

[Dryhn]

So dont read matt mark luke and john and you cannot know who Jesus is then can you.

In those books we know it is by believing on His name to be saved.... I have to know who jesus is before I can believe....

List the ACTUAL verses that teach Matt, John, Luke, Mark etc have the SAME authority as Paul to teach you how to be saved
Verses not opinions, take your time :)

 

[WHO ME]

Did peter recieve salvation another way than gentiles recieve it?


You have to FIRST find out who Jesus IS before you can believe on His name..

 

[WHO ME]

List the ACTUAL verses that teach Matt, John, Luke, Mark etc have the SAME authority as Paul to teach you how to be saved
Verses not opinions, take your time :)

What you think that peter preached a different gospel to the jews on how to be saved than paul preached to the gentiles?

 

[Dryhn]

Dear Dryhn,
Faith is what makes Christ's pathway straight for Him to appear and convert/save a person.

To begin the salvation process, Christ will give a person the Early Rain which, in turn, will give them a measure of faith. But since their faith is given in "measure", the person will eventually mix their own works with faith.

This mixing of works with faith is what the verse below is teaching:

Prov 23:26 My son, give me thine heart, and let thine eyes observe my ways. 27 For a whore is a deep ditch; and a strange woman (Great Harlot) is a narrow pit. 28 She also lieth in wait as for a prey, and increases the transgressors among men. 29 Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes? 30 They (babes) that tarry long at the wine; they that go to seek mixed wine (Old & New Covenant mixed together). 31 Look not thou upon the wine when it is red (Old Wine), when it giveth his color in the cup, when it moves itself (man’s works) aright. 32 At the last it bites like a serpent, and stings like an adder.

This is when a babe who draws milk is "taken" by Satan:

Isa 28:9 Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? Them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts (converted believers). 10 For concept must be upon concept, concept upon concept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little: 11 For with stammering lips and another language (spiritual language) will he speak to this people. 12 But the word of the LORD was unto them (babes who draw milk) concept upon concept, concept upon concept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken (by Satan).

The mixing of works with faith makes the pathway for Christ to appear "crooked". To correct that crooked pathway (after a time of waiting), Christ will come again to the person and pour out the Latter Rain (the baptism). The Latter Rain will heal the person's spiritual blindness (the scales will fall from their eyes). After their blindness is healed, they will see the Abomination of Desolation (Mat 24:15) and will come out of Satan's deceptions. They will then repent of their works which will make Christ's pathway straight. Christ will then appear and convert the person. Once saved, always saved applies at this time.
Joe

Christ Acts 9:15 chose Paul Rom 11:13, Rom 15:16 to teach me how to be saved
Gal 1:11-12 Christ taught a unique gospel to Paul
Gal 2:2 Christ sent Paul to the 12 to advise them of it
1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 is that saving gospel
Gal 2:7-9 ALL the Apsotles agreed that Paul teaches me the gospel
Who did Christ select to teach you how to be saved ?

 

[Dryhn]

Did peter recieve salvation another way than gentiles recieve it?


You have to FIRST find out who Jesus IS before you can believe on His name..

List the verses where ALL the Apostles agree that Peter teaches you the Gospel
Take your time :)

 

[Dryhn]

What you think that peter preached a different gospel to the jews on how to be saved than paul preached to the gentiles?

List the verses that teach where ALL the apostles agreed who is the Apsotle to teach you how to be saved
Verses only required, take your time :)

 

[WHO ME]

I don't believe that we don't have free will. I believe God predestined us, but we have to choose it. I struggle with skitzaffective disorder and it tells me God damned me. I'm a Christian and romans 10:12 says anyone who calls on the name of the lord and means it will be and is saved.

Thats right both free will and predestined work together... God forknows who will accept him and he predestines those people

Romans 8:29-30 for who he forknew he predestinate 30) who he predestinated he called and who he called he justified and them he glorified


Those people who believe God only predestined a few call God a liar when He says Jesus died for the whole world...


Everyone has the freewill to come to christ and God already knows who those people are and predestines those people....

 

[FaithWillDo]

Christ Acts 9:15 chose Paul Rom 11:13, Rom 15:16 to teach me how to be saved
Gal 1:11-12 Christ taught a unique gospel to Paul
Gal 2:2 Christ sent Paul to the 12 to advise them of it
1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 is that saving gospel
Gal 2:7-9 ALL the Apsotles agreed that Paul teaches me the gospel
Who did Christ select to teach you how to be saved ?

Dear Dryhn,
Paul taught faith in Christ and that it is a gift from God. It is that faith that makes Christ's pathway straight for Christ to come again and save/convert the person.

Heb 9:28 So Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

The time of waiting occurs between the Early and Latter Rains.

James 5:7 Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the farmer waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receives the EARLY and LATTER RAIN. 8 Be ye also patient; establish your hearts: for the coming of the Lord draweth nigh (to convert them).

Hos 6:3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he (Christ) shall come unto us as the Rain, as the Latter and Early Rain unto the earth.

Isa 40:29 He gives power to the weak (by the Early Rain), and to those who have no might He increases strength. 30 Even the youths (babes) shall faint and be weary, and the young men (babes) shall utterly fall (fall from grace), 31 But those (the elect) who wait on the LORD shall renew their strength (by the Latter Rain); they shall mount up with wings like eagles, they shall run and not be weary, they shall walk and not faint (once saved, always saved).

The time period of waiting is referred to as "time, times and a half, 3 1/2 years, 42 months and 1260 days". When you read a scripture that contains these terms, know that the verse is teaching on the spiritual events that occur to a babe between the Early and Latter Rains. During each babe's time of waiting for Christ to return to convert them, they will come under the deceptions of the spirit of anti-Christ and will fall away. They fall away because they have accepted Satan's false gospel which mixes works with faith. For this reason, a babe's time of waiting is called a time of GREAT TRIBULATION and the time of Elijah's 3 1/2 years of drought.

As a result of the indwelling of the spirit of anti-Christ and the babe's acceptance of Satan's false gospel, the babe will become "worse than the first" (Mat 12:43-45) and will become a MAN OF SIN/ANTI-CHRIST/BEAST WITH SEVEN HEADS AND TEN HORNS & CROWNS. These spiritual terms represent all apostate babes. THERE WILL NOT BE A SINGLE INDIVIDUAL CALLED THE ANTI-CHRIST WHO RISES TO POWER AT THE LITERAL END OF THE AGE. That is a false teaching from spiritually blind apostate teachers.

The mixing of works with faith is the "sin that leads to death" (1John 5:16). It is founded upon the false Doctrine of Free Will. When a babe mixes works with faith, they have consumed the mixed wine presented in Prv 23:29-32 which I quoted above. This makes the pathway of Christ "crooked". Christ requires His pathway to be "straight" (faith alone) before He will appear to a babe for their conversion.

Since all babes fall away, how can an apostate babe be saved before they die?

For the ELECT babes ONLY, Christ will come again to them before they die and will pour out the Latter Rain. The Latter Rain is the baptism. This event will cause them to repent of their works which will restore their faith. With the pathway now made "straight", Christ will "appear" to them (the second coming) and convert them.

1Sam 12:17 Is it not wheat harvest to day? (day of salvation/conversion) I will call unto the LORD, and he shall send thunder and Rain (Latter Rain); that ye may perceive and see (spiritual blindness healed) that your wickedness is great (have become apostate/man of sin), which ye have done in the sight of the LORD, in asking you a king.

AFTER AN ELECT PERSON IS CONVERTED, THEIR SALVATION IS ETERNALLY SECURE. The phrase "once saved, always saved" applies at this point.

Paul's conversion is the type that all elect believers will follow. Paul received the Early Rain on the Damascus Road. He "typed" falling away during his three days in Damascus. After his three days were complete, Christ came again to Paul and poured out the Latter Rain. Paul’s spiritual blindness was then healed and the scales fell from his eyes. Christ then appeared and converted Paul. This was Paul's day of salvation.

Joe

 

[Dryhn]

Thats right both free will and predestined work together... God forknows who will accept him and he predestines those people

Romans 8:29-30 for who he forknew he predestinate 30) who he predestinated he called and who he called he justified and them he glorified


Those people who believe God only predestined a few call God a liar when He says Jesus died for the whole world...


Everyone has the freewill to come to christ and God already knows who those people are and predestines those people....

NO, GOD does NOT pre-destine who will be saved.
He KNOWS but does not in advance pick who will be saved
1 Tim 2:4
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth
2 Pet 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

 

[WHO ME]

List the verses that teach where ALL the apostles agreed who is the Apsotle to teach you how to be saved
Verses only required, take your time :)

Yes or no.. do peter and paul show 2 different paths to salvation?

You FIRST HAVE TO KNOW WHO JESUS IS BEFORE YOU CAN BELIEVE ON HIS NAME THRU PAUL.... and most of that info comes from those 4 books......

 

[WHO ME]

Paul did not preach a different gospel than peter did...... theres only one way to be saved but before you can believe you have to know what it is your believeing in.... I find most the info on who Jesus is thru His words in matt mark and luke john.... then I can also read paul and TOGETHER all those books work

 

[WHO ME]

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NO, GOD does NOT pre-destine who will be saved.
He KNOWS but does not in advance pick who will be saved
1 Tim 2:4
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth
2 Pet 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

It says he predestines in multiple places.
Lol.... he does not just pick whoever and the rest of people are out of luck


He predestines those He knows are going to pick him thru free will....

 

[WHO ME]

NO, GOD does NOT pre-destine who will be saved.
He KNOWS but does not in advance pick who will be saved
1 Tim 2:4
Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth
2 Pet 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Correct just as I said before your post, everyone has free will.... all men to be saved 1tim 2:4...

I cant go round and round with you forever geeez