How can there be life after death?

[GodsGrace]

I could do this all week

But I cannot.

 

[Mancunian]

My pre-life?
Who is speaking about a pre-life?

I'm speaking about the Kalam Cosmological Theory.

See post 378

 

[marks]

You don't understand my atheism. I simply have a lack of belief in the mainstream versions of God. I definitely haven't ruled out that a God exists or existed at some point, I just haven't enough evidence to back up my thoughts on that.

In this case you are agnostic, not atheist, which is a much easier position to defend than if you were staunch atheist.

Much love!

 

[marks]

As I've said before, a God who wants a personal relationship with me should be able to convince me with facts, I shouldn't need faith at all.

What makes you think you do, or should, make the rules?

For myself, I was convinced by facts, and became a Christian, and moved into faith.

Is "faith" a lessor position than "evidence"? Or does "faith" offer what "evidence" cannot?

Much love!

 

[ProDeo]

We know that people are willing to die for their religion, I've named Islamic martyrs who died believing that Jesus wasn't the son of God.

This is sooooo disappointing.

Are you really saying you don't understand the difference between believing-without-seeing and believing-while-knowing ?

In other words the 11 apostles collectively lied about the risen Jesus and kept preaching the lie and then died for the lie.

11 madman, idiots, liars, dying for the same lie.

Really ?????????

That's why I asked you to come with 2 examples from history.

Are you playing me?

 

[soberxp]

You don't understand my atheism. I simply have a lack of belief in the mainstream versions of God. I definitely haven't ruled out that a God exists or existed at some point, I just haven't enough evidence to back up my thoughts on that.
As I've said before, a God who wants a personal relationship with me should be able to convince me with facts, I shouldn't need faith at all.
Someone in another post, pointed out that we haven't yet found life existing anywhere else other than on this planet, and that somehow makes us special, maybe the conditions for life to exist happened by chance, maybe they were created? Looking at the evidence on how long it took mankind to emerge, I have the opinion that we are not particularly special, we are just getting a chance to survive like every other species that's lived and died.

What a Modern Christian Needs to Understand to Tackle Today's Challenges

1. Science and Its Relationship to Faith To grasp issues like the Big Bang, abiogenesis, evolution, and the age of the Earth, a Christian should be familiar with several scientific fields. Here's a list of the key disciplines: Astronomy and Astrophysics: Exploring the origins of the universe...

www.christianityboard.com

 

[Mancunian]

This is sooooo disappointing.

Are you really saying you don't understand the difference between believing-without-seeing and believing-while-knowing ?

In other words the 11 apostles collectively lied about the risen Jesus and kept preaching the lie and then died for the lie.

11 madman, idiots, liars, dying for the same lie.

Really ?????????

That's why I asked you to come with 2 examples from history.

Are you playing me?

Why would you think that your argument is convincing? You have been presented with facts from post Jesus.... Christians were persecuted and killed. What makes your chosen few special? They said that they saw the risen Christ.... What about all the other Christians who said that they saw him perform miracles? Where are their testimonies? He fed a large crowd with fish and bread...
Muslims die for their beliefs and have done so for 1800 years...
People martyr themselves for a cause... Japanese Kamikaze pilots, suicide bombers, suffragettes.

If feelings are strong enough, anything is possible.

 

[Mancunian]

What a Modern Christian Needs to Understand to Tackle Today's Challenges

1. Science and Its Relationship to Faith To grasp issues like the Big Bang, abiogenesis, evolution, and the age of the Earth, a Christian should be familiar with several scientific fields. Here's a list of the key disciplines: Astronomy and Astrophysics: Exploring the origins of the universe...

www.christianityboard.com

Modern Christians need to understand that quoting Bible verses to atheists doesn't work.
Most atheists that I've spoken to know the Bible better than most Christians.
Speaking for myself here, I've read it front to back countless times.
If you are at all interested about showing atheists the way, be honest. Don't pretend to know things that you don't. And answer questions using your own words.

 

[Mancunian]

It's okay to do a sad emoji @ProDeo
I understand that you think that because a dozen people martyred themselves for their cause is proof enough for you. I understand why you persist with that...
It isn't proof of anything to me.
People are stupid. People do stupid things.There are people living amongst us who think that the world is flat. There are people in the year 2026 who actually think that.

 

[Riven]

There are people living amongst us who think that the world is flat. There are people in the year 2026 who actually think that.

Everybody knows it's square.

 

[Debp]

Muslims die for their beliefs and have done so for 1800 years...
People martyr themselves for a cause

Yes the Muslims martyr themselves for the promise of immediately being accepted into Paradise. And to receive 72 virgins who will continually be remade into virgins for them. Sounds like satanic deception. God is real so Satan must present his false religion.

Most atheists that I've spoken to know the Bible better than most Christians.
Speaking for myself here, I've read it front to back countless times.

It sounds like you have a hardened heart. That is a very dangerous place to be.

You also mocked God recently. That is also dangerous ground to be on. I wouldn't want to be in your shoes when judgment comes...and I believe it will come to you on this earth, not after you die. If your hardened heart can receive it, you better believe in the Lord and stop fighting Him. The Holy Spirit will not always strive with you...then the judgment will come.

 

[Riven]

And to receive 72 virgins who will continually be remade into virgins for them.

Think about that. You teach all 72 what to do and they forget by the end of the day.

 

[ProDeo]

It's okay to do a sad emoji @ProDeo
I understand that you think that because a dozen people martyred themselves for their cause is proof enough for you. I understand why you persist with that...
It isn't proof of anything to me.
People are stupid. People do stupid things.There are people living amongst us who think that the world is flat. There are people in the year 2026 who actually think that.

I gave you a because you did not understand the logic.

Be well.

 

[Mancunian]

Yes the Muslims martyr themselves for the promise of immediately being accepted into Paradise. And to receive 72 virgins who will continually be remade into virgins for them. Sounds like satanic deception. God is real so Satan must present his false religion.



It sounds like you have a hardened heart. That is a very dangerous place to be.

You also mocked God recently. That is also dangerous ground to be on. I wouldn't want to be in your shoes when judgment comes...and I believe it will come to you on this earth, not after you die. If your hardened heart can receive it, you better believe in the Lord and stop fighting Him. The Holy Spirit will not always strive with you...then the judgment will come.

He'd better hurry up if he wants to catch me before I die.

 

[Brakelite]

I don't hear accusation toward God on this thread.
I hear some that do not believe God exists

Not on the thread, no. But elsewhere the very rationale behind unbelief is a distrust in the integrity and character of God. It's also why evangelical Christianity has abandoned God in favor of Trump to bring about "righteousness"

you have not solved the problem of theodicy

Probably not. From your perspective what do you see as that problem and what it entails?

 

[Debp]

He'd better hurry up if he wants to catch me before I die.

More mocking but there might come a time when you are sorry...if your hardened heart isn't too far gone.

 

[GodsGrace]

Not on the thread, no. But elsewhere the very rationale behind unbelief is a distrust in the integrity and character of God. It's also why evangelical Christianity has abandoned God in favor of Trump to bring about "righteousness"

We can't say that some do not have trust
in a God they do not believe exists.

As to your second sentence re evangelical Christianity in relation to Trump...
I can't comment since I've been here a long time and don't really know what's going on anymore.
Trump is not Jesus...this I know for sure.

Probably not. From your perspective what do you see as that problem and what it entails?

The problem of theodicy is THE problem of Christianity.
It has no solution.

This is what it entails:
If God is all good
and God is all powerful
Why does evil exist?

For evil to exist God would have to be either:
A being with some evil in him which he transferred to his creation.

or
A being that is not all powerful and is unable to remove evil from his creation.

Since we are told that God is all good and all powerful but evil does exist...
the problem has no solution.

 

[Brakelite]

We can't say that some do not have trust
in a God they do not believe exists.

As to your second sentence re evangelical Christianity in relation to Trump...
I can't comment since I've been here a long time and don't really know what's going on anymore.
Trump is not Jesus...this I know for sure.


The problem of theodicy is THE problem of Christianity.
It has no solution.

This is what it entails:
If God is all good
and God is all powerful
Why does evil exist?

For evil to exist God would have to be either:
A being with some evil in him which he transferred to his creation.

or
A being that is not all powerful and is unable to remove evil from his creation.

Since we are told that God is all good and all powerful but evil does exist...
the problem has no solution.

It does have a solution... it will be resolved...but first Christians need to learn how to trust God  despite the evidence that appears to contradict the gospel.
Evil will be dealt with. Satan's destruction is certain. Along with his demonic army. Human beings will discover in the judgment that all of God's choices and decisions, regarding how He dealt with every individual born on this planet, was fair, just, merciful, gracious, and loving. Because that is Who God is.

 

[Mancunian]

More mocking but there might come a time when you are sorry...if your hardened heart isn't too far gone.

I'm not mocking, I'm simply stating a fact. If I'm going to be judged before I die, God needs to get on with it... Going off the average life expectancy of men I have about 20 years left if I'm lucky.
Are you expecting judgement within that timeframe?
My heart like everyone else's is a blood pumping organ, it's funny how you see it as something else that can be hardened.... Heart transplants happen, they're just part of the human machinery.

 

[GodsGrace]

It does have a solution... it will be resolved...but first Christians need to learn how to trust God  despite the evidence that appears to contradict the gospel.
Evil will be dealt with. Satan's destruction is certain. Along with his demonic army. Human beings will discover in the judgment that all of God's choices and decisions, regarding how He dealt with every individual born on this planet, was fair, just, merciful, gracious, and loving. Because that is Who God is.

Sure.
But not now.