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Our Words are VERY Important

Colossians 2:6
As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him.

Romans 10:9,10
If you shall confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus, and shall believe in your heart that God hath raised him from the dead, you shall be saved (delivered from death)....for with the heart man believes unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation (deliverance both in this life and that which is to come)

Psalms 103:5

God satisfies your mouth with good things; so that your youth is renewed like the eagle's.

Mark 11:23-25
For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he says shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he says....therefore I say unto you, What things so ever you desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them....and when ye stand praying, forgive.

Matthew 12:35-37
A good man out of the good treasure of the heart brings forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth evil things....but I say unto you, that every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment....for by your words you shall be justified, and by your words you shall be condemned.

Luke 17:6
And the Lord said, If you had faith in the same way you had a grain of mustard seed, you would say....it should obey you.

Proverbs 18:21
death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.

James 1:26
If any man among you seem to be religious and does not control his tongue, he deceives his own heart this man's religion is vain.

James 3:9,10
We bless God, even the Father; and we curse men, which are made after the similitude of God....out of the same mouth comes blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.

Romans 4:17
As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations, before Him whom he believed, even God, who quickens (makes alive) the dead, and calls those things which be not as though they were.

Isaiah 46:10
Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure.

Divine Protection - God’s Security Detail

John 17:15,16
I pray not that You should take them out of the world but that You should keep them from the evil....they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.

James 4:7,8
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you....come close to God, and He will come close to you. ( the definition of resisting the devil IS submitting yourself to His Word, Who is the Lord )

1 John 5:18

Whosoever is born of God sins not; but he that is born of God keeps himself (IN CHRIST, to guard as a fortress with God’s armor), and that wicked one touches him not.

Luke 10:19
Look, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

1 Corinthians 10:13
There is no temptation (tests and trials brought by satan) that can come upon you but such as is common to man (things in this natural, carnal world): but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted (attacked by satan with testing and trials) beyond what you can handle; but will with the temptation (at the same time) also make a way to escape, that you may be able to have victory over it.

Isaiah 54:17
No weapon that is formed against you shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against you in judgment YOU shall condemn

Psalms 91:1-16 (see Luke 10:19, 1 John 2:6, James 4:7)
He that dwells in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty....I will say of the LORD, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in Him will I trust
....surely He shall deliver you from the snare of the fowler (devil), and from the noisome pestilence (wicked and perverse plagues)....He shall cover you with his feathers, and under his wings you shall trust: His truth (God’s Word) shall be your shield and buckler....you shall not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flies by day....nor for the pestilence (plague, disease) that walks in darkness; nor for the destruction that wastes at noonday....a thousand shall fall at your side, and ten thousand at your right hand; but it shall not come near you....only with your eyes shall you look and see the reward of the wicked....because you have made the LORD, which is My refuge, even the most High, your habitation....there shall no evil come near you, neither shall any plague come near your dwelling....for He shall give his angels charge over you, to keep you in all your ways....they shall bear (help, hold up) you up in their hands, lest you stumble your foot against a stone....you shall tread upon the lion and adder (the twisted): the young lion and the dragon (serpent) you shall trample under foot....because he hath set his love upon Me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he has known My Name....he shall call upon Me, and I will answer him: I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him, and honor him....with long life will I satisfy him, and show him my salvation (deliverance).

Psalms 62:1
Truly my soul waits upon the Lord: from Him comes my salvation (deliverance)
He only is my Rock and my Salvation; He is my Defense; I shall NOT be moved.

Proverbs 1:33
Whosoever listens to Me shall dwell safely, and shall be quiet from fear of evil.

Psalms 97:10
Ye that love the LORD, hate evil: he preserveth the souls of his saints; he delivereth them out of the hand of the wicked

Ephesians 6:10-18
Be strong in the Lord, and in the power of His might....put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles (trickery) of the devil....for we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places....wherefore take unto you the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all to stand....stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness....and your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace....above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith you shall be able to quench (put a stop to) all the fiery darts (tests, trials) of the wicked....and take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God....praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
 

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Personalize God's promises when speaking them to the enemy because God's promises are just as much for you as they are for any other human being that has ever lived. Not one of them are any better than you! God has not loved any of them more than He loves you!
 

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Why don't you turn the tables and start torturing him instead?
How do you ask?

God read what Jesus did to the devil when he came and tried to tempt Jesus to sin.
And do what Jesus did. Follow the example Jesus gave us to follow.

God's Word is the Sword of the Spirit and it is us speaking God's promises out of our mouth in faith.
You may need to do this again and again which is not speaking in repetition to the Lord, not this is taking God's promises and beating the devil over the head with them by speaking them out loud. the demons cannot stand to hear that and will leave.

They'll eventually come back around to see if you are strong enough to resist them or not and do it all over again - speak God's promises out loud while telling the devil "I cast you out in the Name of Jesus - get out!"
Why does it bother me? Not that I ant it to bother others, but why me..that my whole life I will hear it? I'm tired of hearing it. Please pray God will equip me and come through for me. That I hear Jesus praying for me. In Jesus name. My sheep hear My voice, but I don't. I just hear this demon. God didn't damn my life. I want ot to stop telling me that. I want it to leave. Please pray for me. Thanks.
 

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Personalize God's promises when speaking them to the enemy because God's promises are just as much for you as they are for any other human being that has ever lived. Not one of them are any better than you! God has not loved any of them more than He loves you!
Thanks
 

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Living in Sin, is Living Without Gods Spirit IN You…

So you think … once Gods Spirit IS IN YOU…
That’s The Signal …
You can Continue to Not Believe (SIN) against God?

Disturbing!
What do you classify as "living in sin " ?
Can you give some examples ?
 

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Yes! That is called…Hope.
Different than the already saved.

God bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken
and that lines up with a valid point from a slightly different discussion

If belief in GOD is required to be saved then how can they remain saved if they no longer believe ?

I believe the wording teaches an ONGOING belief not just a once off
 

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and that lines up with a valid point from a slightly different discussion

If belief in GOD is required to be saved then how can they remain saved if they no longer believe ?
A man is offered Salvation while alive in his natural body….
AND WARNED TO BE DILIGENT, SURE of his Choice, Decision, Election, Confession,
FOR (because) it is once, final, forever.

A man’s soul is Saved…spirit quickened…
* AFTER
his Heart is Searched for his True Belief…
* AFTER
his body is RECORDED “Dead”.
* THEN
That man IS Forgiven…
and…
IS KEPT in Belief Forever
* By the Power of God.


I believe the wording teaches an ONGOING belief not just a once off
Billions of People…all different ages, circumstances, hard, easy, upstanding, burdens, healthy, sick, this culture, that culture, On and on
And an Order, Way, Path…for each to Freely Choose…
Simply…Up or Down…for every person…

Glory to God,
Taken
 

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A man is offered Salvation while alive in his natural body….
AND WARNED TO BE DILIGENT, SURE of his Choice, Decision, Election, Confession,
FOR (because) it is once, final, forever.

A man’s soul is Saved…spirit quickened…
* AFTER
his Heart is Searched for his True Belief…
* AFTER
his body is RECORDED “Dead”.
* THEN
That man IS Forgiven…
and…
IS KEPT in Belief Forever
* By the Power of God.



Billions of People…all different ages, circumstances, hard, easy, upstanding, burdens, healthy, sick, this culture, that culture, On and on
And an Order, Way, Path…for each to Freely Choose…
Simply…Up or Down…for every person…

Glory to God,
Taken
Have I correctly understood you ?
1. We agree that everyone everywhere has the chance to freely accept GOD
2. Once they believe there is no way they will ever stop believing ?
 
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A man is offered Salvation while alive in his natural body….

Taken
then tell us the meaning of this passage:
For this is why the gospel was preached even to those who are dead, that though judged in the flesh the way people are, they might live in the spirit the way God does." - 1 Peter 4:6
 

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@beechan. Here’s the way I understand it:

While His body was in the tomb, Jesus preached the Gospel to those who had already died before His crucifixion to give the opportunity for those who had never heard the Gospel to accept it and be saved …or reject it.

1 Peter 3:19 (NKJV) by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison,
 
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@beechan. Here’s the way I understand it:

While His body was in the tomb, Jesus preached the Gospel to those who had already died before His crucifixion to give the opportunity for those who had never heard the Gospel to accept it and be saved …or reject it.

1 Peter 3:19 (NKJV) by whom also He went and preached to the spirits in prison,
who would have rejected it then?

I believe he taught them that their fate was sealed..
 
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Living in Sin, is Living Without Gods Spirit IN You…

So you think … once Gods Spirit IS IN YOU…
That’s The Signal …
You can Continue to Not Believe (SIN) against God?

Disturbing!
Living in sin - the practice of sin as a habit (present tense) is here raised. One's lifestyle or bent of life. 1 John 3:9 - No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
 
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Living in sin - the practice of sin as a habit (present tense) is here raised. One's lifestyle or bent of life. 1 John 3:9 - No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
living in sin would to me prove someone has never repented and trusted in God for salvation.
 

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Have I correctly understood you ?
1. We agree that everyone everywhere has the chance to freely accept GOD
Yes.
2. Once they believe there is no way they will ever stop believing ?
Believing… is one thing…
People can …
Believe in their mind…
Believe this but doubt that…
Believe this today…and not believe this tomorrow.

It’s not a phenomena … All day long, people hear this, see this, believe it… and later discover it was false and “change their mind, their belief”…and their word of belief.

Is such a person, “Prepared”… to call on the Lord God…and Commit their Heartful Belief TO Him? No.

Does The Lord God EVEN WANT a man, to call on Him…with a “wishy-washy mind-full confession…and then…change his Mind”?

No…
Because that would mean, The man “Lied to God”.

The protocol is:
Hear, learn… bit by bit, little by little…
* God will bless you along the way.
* Bless you with “Faith”…
* Hear a little…receive a little Faith.
* Repeat, Repeat, Repeat.
* Delve in, Study, Increase your hearing, reading, and Thus you will be blessed with increased Faith.

God is “Preparing your spirit IN your heart”… with His Truth…

You can continue… or excuse yourself with…too busy, work, games, fun, blah, blah…
And your spirit can dull…
And the occasional thought of God, a random discussion about Him??

Rely on what for your input?
What little your spirit was learning?
OR
Rely on what your carnal mind can “logically think on the spur?
And / or
Consider what others … with their Carnal minds logical thoughts believe / think?

God blesses the Diligent student hearing His Word…with Faith…
Preparing you … For a day, your Faith in your spirit in your heart… has recognized…the favorable results of such blessings…

Once Prepared, Confident, Assured…
THEN is a man “Prepared” to call on the Lord…
To confess his Heartful Belief…TO the Lord.

The Lord will HEAR The word, The testimony, The declaration…of THAT man’s WORD.

The Lord God, WILL search the man’s Heart, that His Word Be True (or not).

True?
THEN… does Gods Works… affect that man, that THAT man… by the Power of God, will Never Again …Not Believe.(SIN)

IF… THEN

EX 15:26
And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God…

Jer. 12
[16] And it shall come to pass, if they willdiligently learn the ways of my people, to swear by my name, The LORD liveth…

Sure…

Gen 9:
[5] And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.

2 Pet 1:
[10] Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:


IF / THEN

Rom 10:
[9] That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead,
(Then, thereafter)

thou shalt be saved.

Committed or Not…
(can fool men…but…)
Can’t fool the all knowing God.

Glory to God,
Taken
 

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Dear CrowCross,
You said:
Yes, all things were created by Jesus THIS means Jesus wasn't created.

I don't understand your reasoning. Christ is mankind's Creator but how does that mean He wasn't created Himself? You are adding to scripture things that it does not say. We know that Christ is the SON of God and we know that sons are born at some point. We also know that He was born prior to Gen 1:1.
It's pretty simple....if Jesus is the creator of all things....then that would mean Jesus wasn't created....why? If Jesus was created then Jesus wasn't the creator of all things.
Colossians 1:16: The Apostle Paul writes that "in him all, all, all, all, all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all, all,all,all,all things have been created through him and for him."

You appear to be like the mormons who also claim Jesus was born.
You kinda screw with the meaning of "firstborn"....Col 1:15 “And He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation....using your misunderstand of the passage to justify Jesus not being the creator of all as Col 1:16 speaks of.

But, before we get into your misunderstanding ....what is your definition of "first born"?
Does this refer to some sort of biological birthing process only?
Is there a spirit nursery in heaven and Jesus was the first spirit born?
If Jesus was born who was his mother?
Does "firstborn" signify priority? That is, not a reference to literal birth order but to rank, position, authority, inheritance, leadership and such.
Why would the phrase "firstborn of all creation" not proclaim Christ’s preeminence?

Oh, did I ask who was Jesus' mother during this heavenly birthing process you adhere to?
 

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who would have rejected it then?

I believe he taught them that their fate was sealed..

Please post the scripture where it says that. I know that scripture does say that, but I need to know which scripture you’re referring to for context. Thx.