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[Kayla McCanny]

Dear CrowCross,
You said:
Is it? The angels were created by Jesus prior to the creation of the world.

There are no scriptures that teach that the angels were created prior to Gen 1:1. You should not go beyond what is written.

You said:
If Jesus was the creator of all things like the bible says...then there was no need to create Jesus to be the creator of all things.

There are no scriptures that support what you stated above. And as I said before, your argument doesn't even make sense - just like the trinity doctrine doesn't make sense.

It's time for me to move to another thread.

Joe

The trinity is just a word that describes God. God the Father, son abd holy spirit are one.

 

[FaithWillDo]

The trinity is just a word that describes God. God the Father, son abd holy spirit are one.

Dear Kayla,
"One" is a spirit word (John 6:63) which means "unity". It doesn't mean that Christ and His Father are the same entity as the trinity doctrine teaches.

Here is what I wrote to CrowCross about it:

The Holy Spirit is God the Father's Spirit that He shares with Christ so that Christ is fully made in His likeness and image. It is in this way that God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ are "one". And after Jesus Christ shares the Holy Spirit with mankind - mankind will become sons of God and will likewise be "one" with Jesus Christ and His Father.

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

John 17:11 I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name, the name you gave me, so that they may be one as we are one.

John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

It is the indwelling of the Holy Spirit that makes Christ, and eventually all mankind, the children of God the Father and "one" with Him.

Joe