The Case for a Post-Tribulation Second Coming

[Douggg]

The Bible also says that the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord at the 7th trumpet. You read past that like it means nothing. It means that Jesus has returned and set up His kingdom on the earth. Armageddon has already occurred at the 7th trumpet.

The 7th trumpet sounding announces what the third woe to the inhabiters of the earth will be.

In Revelation 11:15, by those in heaven rejoicing about the kingdoms of this world having become the kingdoms of our Lord and His Christ - is because Satan's time of influence over the kingdoms of this world has been determined to finally end, by the sounding of the 7th trumpet.

Here is what is going to happen...

The seventh trumpet sounds, signaling Michael and his angels to cast Satan and his angels down to earth in Revelation 12:7-9. In Revelation 12:12 is the third woe to the inhabiters of the earth, which is Satan cast down to earth, having great wrath, anger, knowing his time is short. The time/times/half time of Revelation 12:14.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Acts 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;

11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
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I think what "in like manner" means is that when Jesus returns, He will be visible to persons on earth, as He descends down to earth. His return will be visibly evident to everyone.

In other words, Jesus will not privately appear in some secret place to only a few persons. As Jesus warned in Matthew 24: 26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

Let's see, you used a setting of a event witnessed by a few in an obscure location, to prove a setting you claim is neither of those.

Pssst.... that tells you you are wrong.

 

[rebuilder 454]

"first fruits" is metaphoric for highest quality.

You left out "first" and went with "high quality"

 

[rebuilder 454]

Acts 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;

11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
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I think what "in like manner" means is that when Jesus returns, He will be visible to persons on earth, as He descends down to earth. His return will be visibly evident to everyone.

In other words, Jesus will not privately appear in some secret place to only a few persons. As Jesus warned in Matthew 24: 26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

Lol.
That is wild.
A guy leaves your house dressed in a workshirt and some blue jeans. He has no luggage, has no money and carries nothing. Literally has nothing but the shirt on his back.
An angel appears to you, and says, "see that man leaving your house. He will return in like manner."
So you keep looking for this man to return. Ahem, in like manner AS HE LEFT IN.
(Because an angel appeared to you and told you he would return IN LIKE MANNER).
One day A man shows up on a horse and he's unrecognizable, because he's not dressed the same and He has crowns on his head and a sword proceeding out of his mouth, and has millions of warriors covering your entire neighborhood.

You, " Wait a minute this is not "like manner""

The neighbors inform you that he did come back years prior and it was just him on foot dressed the same way as when he left...IN LIKE MANNER.

....but you missed it.

 

[William Barton]

It’s getting close; the latter days are already here. Let’s not be deceived.

The gathering of believers to Christ will only occur after the Antichrist has reigned.

The popular "Rapture" theory, specifically the Pre-tribulation view, suggests that Christ will remove the church before the tribulation begins. This view claims believers will be whisked away to safety, avoiding all the fear and chaos of the Antichrist. However, this idea lacks biblical support and suggests a cowardice inconsistent with the faith of those who have died defending the truth. Our protection comes from God, our Rock, not from physical hiding places like caves in Petra.

Scripture is clear that the return of Christ happens at the last trump, after the "man of sin" is revealed. In 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8, Paul explicitly warns believers not to be deceived: the Day of Christ cannot come until there is a great falling away and the son of perdition is revealed. This false messiah will exalt himself and sit in the temple of God, claiming to be God.

While some theorists claim that the "restrainer" mentioned in 2 Thessalonians 2:7 is the Holy Spirit being removed during a Rapture, this is very poor scholarship. The context makes it clear that the restrainer is holding back Satan, not the church. In reality, the Archangel Michael is the one restraining Satan in heaven.

Satan’s spirit is active on earth, but he himself is not yet here in person. He will be cast out by Michael and his angels, arriving on earth first to reign as the false christ. Only after this event will the gathering to Christ occur. Do not be deceived by theories; rely solely on the Word of God.

Remember, Jesus Christ IS NOT returning until the great apostasy (falling away) occurs AFTER Satan, the son of perdition (meaning the son who will perish), is revealed.

Jesus said, "In the world you will have tribulation."

Everyone has tribulation of one sort or another (John16:33), but the Jews especially. Revelation speaks of a coming "great tribulation" in Israel, preceded by the rapture (Daniel 12:1, Matthew 24:21, 1Thessalonians 4:17).

It's in the Book.

 

[The Light]

Jesus said, "In the world you will have tribulation."

Everyone has tribulation of one sort or another (John16:33), but the Jews especially. Revelation speaks of a coming "great tribulation" in Israel, preceded by the rapture (Daniel 12:1, Matthew 24:21, 1Thessalonians 4:17).

It's in the Book.

It's also in the book that the Church will be in heaven before the great tribulation in an hour that you think not.

The rapture that occurs immediately after the great tribulation is for the Jews. They will be raptured at the sixth seal. We get another view of the is rapture in Rev 14.

Revelation 14
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Jesus said, "In the world you will have tribulation."

Everyone has tribulation of one sort or another (John16:33), but the Jews especially. Revelation speaks of a coming "great tribulation" in Israel, preceded by the rapture (Daniel 12:1, Matthew 24:21, 1Thessalonians 4:17).

It's in the Book.

Not in the Bible.
How can you possibly get it backwards.
Are you aware your position has no verses?????