The Case for a Post-Tribulation Second Coming

[Ronald Nolette]

It’s getting close; the latter days are already here. Let’s not be deceived.

The gathering of believers to Christ will only occur after the Antichrist has reigned.

The popular "Rapture" theory, specifically the Pre-tribulation view, suggests that Christ will remove the church before the tribulation begins. This view claims believers will be whisked away to safety, avoiding all the fear and chaos of the Antichrist. However, this idea lacks biblical support and suggests a cowardice inconsistent with the faith of those who have died defending the truth. Our protection comes from God, our Rock, not from physical hiding places like caves in Petra.

Scripture is clear that the return of Christ happens at the last trump, after the "man of sin" is revealed. In 2 Thessalonians 2:1-8, Paul explicitly warns believers not to be deceived: the Day of Christ cannot come until there is a great falling away and the son of perdition is revealed. This false messiah will exalt himself and sit in the temple of God, claiming to be God.

While some theorists claim that the "restrainer" mentioned in 2 Thessalonians 2:7 is the Holy Spirit being removed during a Rapture, this is very poor scholarship. The context makes it clear that the restrainer is holding back Satan, not the church. In reality, the Archangel Michael is the one restraining Satan in heaven.

Satan’s spirit is active on earth, but he himself is not yet here in person. He will be cast out by Michael and his angels, arriving on earth first to reign as the false christ. Only after this event will the gathering to Christ occur. Do not be deceived by theories; rely solely on the Word of God.

Remember, Jesus Christ IS NOT returning until the great apostasy (falling away) occurs AFTER Satan, the son of perdition (meaning the son who will perish), is revealed.

I haven't read all the responses, but based on your title--CASE dismissed!~!!!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

That destroys "one coming bogus doctrine", if you admit there is a rapture, mid 7yr trib.

The seventh trumpet won't sound "mid 7 yr trib". Jesus will return at the seventh and last trumpet after the trib. At that point the kingdom(s) of the world will become the kingdom(s) of God the Father and Son (Rev 11:15) and unbelievers will all be destroyed (Rev 11:18).

 

[amigo de christo]

God’s mercy endures forever! View attachment 91966

not unto those , however who reject it . But oh yes you are correct dear sister , HIS MERCY does endure forever .
Now trench time in the building one and all .

 

[amigo de christo]

The seventh trumpet won't sound "mid 7 yr trib". Jesus will return at the seventh and last trumpet after the trib. At that point the kingdom(s) of the world will become the kingdom(s) of God the Father and Son (Rev 11:15) and unbelievers will all be destroyed (Rev 11:18).

wanna some major clues as to when the end would be near .
Number one . INQUITY abounded and thus the love of the truth waxed cold .
two . many false teachers would abound EVEN IN THE CHURCHES and be leading folks astray
and MANY , not few , WOULD be following their pernscious ways , by whom THE TRUE BIBLICAL GOD AND CHRIST
would be evil spoken of .........
Three . There appears a st rong delusion . now this delusion is sent to all who had rejected the love of the truth
so that they would all beleive a lie and be damned . And if we examine the first letter to thess ,
we see it must somehow be tied into PEACE n safety , SEEING they would be chanting this RIGHT
before their destruction comes upon them all and they wont escape .
Now . DO YOU SEE ANYTHING like that being sold
to the false religoins WHO do reject JESUS and unto the decieved in christendom .
Sure you do . same lie . the lie is we all serve the same God .
and that we must now find common ground for world PEACE n safety .
OH ITS HERE my friend . but many see it as love , many see it as of GOD .
WHEN IT DARN SURE IS of the devil and that which is of anti christ .
AND i can assure us all , this anti christ lie and its anti christ peace , THEY WONT be getting the peace n safety
THEY Thought this god and its love and its peace would give them .
No sir . just like king ahab , its a lying spirit sent to MAKE THEM BELIEVE this is the love and peace of GOD
to attain world peace n safety . BUT just like king ahab , ITS ONLY MEANT FOR THEIR OWN destruction .

 

[William Barton]

IMO:
Satan tempted Eve via the serpent (Genesis 3:1-7, Revelation 12:9).

Satan is a cherub, who was thrown to earth some time after Adam and Eve came into existence (Revelation 12:9, Ezekiel 28:14-16).

 

[Marvelloustime]

wanna some major clues as to when the end would be near .
Number one . INQUITY abounded and thus the love of the truth waxed cold .
two . many false teachers would abound EVEN IN THE CHURCHES and be leading folks astray
and MANY , not few , WOULD be following their pernscious ways , by whom THE TRUE BIBLICAL GOD AND CHRIST
would be evil spoken of .........
Three . There appears a st rong delusion . now this delusion is sent to all who had rejected the love of the truth
so that they would all beleive a lie and be damned . And if we examine the first letter to thess ,
we see it must somehow be tied into PEACE n safety , SEEING they would be chanting this RIGHT
before their destruction comes upon them all and they wont escape .
Now . DO YOU SEE ANYTHING like that being sold
to the false religoins WHO do reject JESUS and unto the decieved in christendom .
Sure you do . same lie . the lie is we all serve the same God .
and that we must now find common ground for world PEACE n safety .
OH ITS HERE my friend . but many see it as love , many see it as of GOD .
WHEN IT DARN SURE IS of the devil and that which is of anti christ .
AND i can assure us all , this anti christ lie and its anti christ peace , THEY WONT be getting the peace n safety
THEY Thought this god and its love and its peace would give them .
No sir . just like king ahab , its a lying spirit sent to MAKE THEM BELIEVE this is the love and peace of GOD
to attain world peace n safety . BUT just like king ahab , ITS ONLY MEANT FOR THEIR OWN destruction .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

not unto those , however who reject it . But oh yes you are correct dear sister , HIS MERCY does endure forever .
Now trench time in the building one and all .

@amigo de christo

 

[William Barton]

IMO:
Revelation 6:1-8:5 (seal judgments) is apocalyptic language. The imagery is judgments coming upon the Middle East:

o A scroll appears with seven wax seals.
o The seven seals are sequentially removed.
o The scroll is read, and seven trumpets announce its call to war.
o The seven bowls (hot oil torture) illustrate severe judgments.
o God will not be patient forever.

 

[William Barton]

The coming of Jesus in Revelation 14 occurs at the 6th seal immediately after the great tribulation and before the 7th seal wrath of God.

When you are reading Revelation 13 and 14 you are back in the 1st 6 seals.

Jesus will descend from heaven and take up believers, so they may avoid the coming bowl judgments.

 

[William Barton]

It's also in the book that the Church will be in heaven before the great tribulation in an hour that you think not.

The rapture that occurs immediately after the great tribulation is for the Jews. They will be raptured at the sixth seal. We get another view of the is rapture in Rev 14.

Revelation 14
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

The rapture occurs before the great tribulation, so that raptured believers may avoid the great tribulation.

 

[Sel@h]

The rapture occurs before the great tribulation, so that raptured believers may avoid the great tribulation.

Nope, ain’t so. Most people want to believe in a pre-trib rapture that will spare them the great tribulation that will come to pass in the not-too-distant future. Well naturally, no one wants tribulation, right? … But just because we don’t want something doesn’t mean it’s not going to happen nonetheless. Why does God give us spiritual gospel armor? …to stand against the devil:

Ephesians 6:10-13 (NKJV) 10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might. 11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual [hosts] of wickedness in the heavenly [places.] 13 Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

Matthew 24:29–31: Jesus says the gathering of the elect happens “immediately after the tribulation.”

2 Thessalonians 2:1–3: Paul connects Christ’s coming and “our gatheringtogether unto him” with events that must happen first.

1 Corinthians 15:51–52: The dead are raised and believers changed “at the last trump.”

Revelation 20:4–6: The faithful who endured the beast’s persecution are raised in the “first resurrection.”
….
So who wants to be deceived and end up worshiping the devil (which is the great apostasy)? Not me.

 

[William Barton]

Nope, ain’t so. Most people want to believe in a pre-trib rapture that will spare them the great tribulation that will come to pass in the not-too-distant future. Well naturally, no one wants tribulation, right? … But just because we don’t want something doesn’t mean it’s not going to happen nonetheless. Why does God give us spiritual gospel armor? …to stand against the devil:

Ephesians 6:10-13 (NKJV) 10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord and in the power of His might. 11 Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual [hosts] of wickedness in the heavenly [places.] 13 Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

Matthew 24:29–31: Jesus says the gathering of the elect happens “immediately after the tribulation.”

2 Thessalonians 2:1–3: Paul connects Christ’s coming and “our gatheringtogether unto him” with events that must happen first.

1 Corinthians 15:51–52: The dead are raised and believers changed “at the last trump.”

Revelation 20:4–6: The faithful who endured the beast’s persecution are raised in the “first resurrection.”
….
So who wants to be deceived and end up worshiping the devil (which is the great apostasy)? Not me.

IMO:
The great apostasy is the Antichrist taking his seat in the temple, as though he were God (2 Thessalonians 2:4). The temple is God's own house, visitors (i.e. priests) by invitation only.

This squabble initiated by the Antichrist is Middle Eastern only. This has no effect on the U.S.

The rapture is noted in John 14:2-3, 1Corinthians 15:51-53, 1Thessalonians 5:15-17, Revelation 11:2, 14:16.

 

[MostlyConfused]

2 Thessalonians 1:6-10 make a pre-trib rapture impossible. It pinpoints a specific aspect of the Coming of Jesus, his manifestation, as the time of the ceasing of tribulation from the troublers of the church (v. 1:1) and the beginning of tribulation from God on those troublers. The tribulation of the church continues while any member of the body of Christ is still receiving tribulation on earth (1 Corinthians 12:26). Therefore, it is impossible for the rapture of the church to happen before the manifestation of Christ. That unique manifestation to all eyes, accompanied by mighty angels is indicated in Matthew 24 as occuring immediately after the great tribulation.

In summary, 2 Thess 1 tells us: (1) A rapture of the whole church would give a cessation of tribulation for the church, and therefore cannot happen before the manifestation of Christ. (2) If the cessation of tribulation is produced by the rapture, then the rapture will happen at the manifestation. If the cessation of tribulation for the church is produced by something else, then the rapture could happen later, and in fact, I believe it is later, at the 7th trumpet.

Have you thought any about these things:

What the verse might mean where God says, now I will destroy the righteous along with the wicked.

Have you wondered at maybe the holy being snatched up while the righteous stay for more testing in order to come out pure?

Nice to meet you btw.

 

[Sel@h]

IMO:
The great apostasy is the Antichrist taking his seat in the temple, as though he were God (2 Thessalonians 2:4). The temple is God's own house, visitors (i.e. priests) by invitation only.

This squabble initiated by the Antichrist is Middle Eastern only.

No. The devil has always wanted to be God. That’s not the Great Apostasy. Rather, the Great Apostasy of the end times is when BELIEVERS who went to church every Sunday, who read their Bibles every day, who worshiped Jesus with all their heart—are DECEIVED by the FALSE MESSIAH.

Woe!!!