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[mailmandan]

OSAS is a doctrine of men, not written in God's Word.

A license to sin/license for immorality which often gets attached to OSAS by those who strongly oppose it is a doctrine of men, just like salvation by works/works righteousness is also a doctrine of men by those who attach it to NOSAS. I actually prefer the terms "eternal security of the believer" or "preservation of the saints" over OSAS because of the negative connotations that typically get attached to it by those who promote salvation by works/works righteousness.

A study of what Apostle Paul taught in Galatians 5 reveals our staying in Christ involves WALKING BY THE SPIRIT. That means, heeding The Holy Spirit. Paul gives examples of that walk with The Holy Spirit, and the fleshy works by those who do NOT walk by The Spirit.

Galatians 5:16 - I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. 19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 24 And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.

Walking in the Spirit does not mean a Christian instantly reaches sinless perfection (1 John 1:8-10) but rather that sin no longer reigns as an unresisted lifestyle or bent of life. In 1 John 3:9, we read - No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

Apostle John in 1 John 1 showed that those in Christ STILL... need to REPENT and ASK CHRIST FORGIVENESS of future sins committed.

In regard to 1 John 1:9, notice that - "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness" (1 John 1:9) is in contrast to - If we say that we have no sin, (present tense) we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us (1 John 1:8) and - If we say that we have not sinned, (past tense) we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. (1 John 1:10)

Certain people seem to misunderstand verse 9 to mean that we "must confess each and every sin that we commit as we commit them" (keep a specific inventory of every sin we have ever committed) as an "additional requirement" to "remain cleansed" and "if we forget a sin we are toast!" Who could actually write an exhaustive list of every sin they have ever committed or ever will commit? Sin is not only missing the mark by what we do but also what we fail to do. (James 4:17)

Believers "confess" (Greek - homologeó) speak the same/acknowledge/agree with God's perspective about their sins and have a settled recognition and ongoing acknowledgment that one is a sinner in need of cleansing and forgiveness in contrast with saying that we have no sin or that we have not sinned. (1 John 1:8-10)

In Romans 3:25, Apostle Paul said the sins Lord Jesus remitted on His cross for us is about "sins that are past".

Rom 3:24-26
24 Being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in His blood, to declare His righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

26 To declare, I say, at this time His righteousness: that He might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
KJV

Romans 3:25 (AMP) - whom God displayed publicly [before the eyes of the world] as a [life-giving] sacrifice of atonement and reconciliation (propitiation) by His blood [to be received] through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness [which demands punishment for sin], because in His forbearance [His deliberate restraint] He passed over the sins previously committed [before Jesus’ crucifixion].

*This sheds light on what is meant by PAST sins. It does not mean that Jesus' death was ONLY for past sins.

Acts 13:39 - and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses.

Further translations of Romans 3:25 read:

ESV - whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins.

HCSB - God presented Him as a propitiation through faith in His blood, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His restraint God passed over the sins previously committed.

NASB - whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed.

NIV - God presented Christ as a sacrifice of atonement, through the shedding of his blood—to be received by faith. He did this to demonstrate his righteousness, because in his forbearance he had left the sins committed beforehand unpunished.

CONTINUED..

 

[mailmandan]

Per Revelation 2 & 3, if Jesus had already forgiven the sins five of the Churches in Asia were guilty of, He would not have told them to REPENT.

In regard to the church in Ephesus in Revelation 2, clearly the Lord wanted the church at Ephesus to repent -- to change their minds regarding their works. "You have left your first love" (verse 4). "Repent and do the first works" (verse 5). Works of love no longer characterized the church as a whole in Ephesus. In verses 2 and 6, we see that the church in Ephesus was not totally displeasing to the Lord, yet hating the deeds of the Nicolaitans and standing up for doctrinal purity still cannot be a substitute for love. So, what did the Lord mean when He spoke of removing the church's lamp stand if the church in Ephesus did not repent? The removal of the lampstand is clearly figurative language. This does not mean that individuals in the church at Ephesus will lose their salvation, but the church can forfeit its place of light bearing and witness. Ephesus (located in modern day Turkey) in which the vast majority of Turkey is Islam. Go figure.

In regard to the church of the Laodiceans. Revelation 3:15 - "I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot. 16 So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth. (this church makes Jesus sick) 17 Because you say, 'I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing'—and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked— 18 I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see. 19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore, be zealous and repent. 20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me. 21 To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne. We overcome by faith. (1 John 5:4)

Keep in mind that in various churches, it's not hard to find "nominal" Christians mixed in with genuine Christians and Jesus is addressing these churches as a whole. Like the lifeless state of the church in Sardis in Revelation 3:1-4 - "you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead." This church may have had a name of being alive, but they were spiritually lifeless. In other words, the church was filled with unsaved people going through the motions of religion who needed to wake up and repent IN CONTRAST with a few people in Sardis who have not soiled their garments; and they will walk with Jesus in white.

Thus the Once Saved, Always Saved (OSAS) doctrine of men is NOT WRITTEN in God's Word. That doctrine is OF THE DEVIL, simply because it leads the believer astray into thinking that as Christians we can never again... commit a sin, and thus have no further need to ever repent to Christ again. That is exactly... how Satan wants us to believe!

Satan wants us to believe in SELF righteousness and SELF preservation which stems from works righteousness.

In John 6:37, Jesus said - All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing but raise it up on the last day. 40 For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.”

In John 10:27-28, we read - My sheep hear My voice, (not some of them hear His voice and some of them don't hear His voice) and I know them, (not some of them He knows and some of them He doesn't know) and they follow Me. (not some of them follow Him and some of them don't follow Him) And I give them eternal life, (not some of them He gives eternal life and some of them He doesn't give eternal life) and they shall never perish; (not some of them will never perish and some of them will perish) neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. (not some of them will never be snatched out of His hand and some of them will be snatched out of His hand)

In Romans 8:30, we read - Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. *ALL of them. *Notice how Paul uses the past tense for a future event to stress its certainty.

In Ephesians 1:13-14, we read - In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

In Philippians 1:6, we read - being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ.

Psalm 37:28 - For the Lord loves justice and does not forsake His saints; They are preserved forever, But the descendants of the wicked shall be cut off. Jude 1:1 - Jude, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James. To those who are called, sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ:

The phrase OSAS can be misleading when it is used to mean that anyone who once prayed the sinner's prayer or made a profession of faith is secure. I believe in preservation of the saints/eternal security of the believer, but I don't believe in eternal presumption.

So, the Biblical conclusion is not merely, “Once presumed to be saved, always saved.” It is this: those whom Christ truly saves, He keeps, and those whom He keeps continue in faith. Their continuance does not purchase salvation. It demonstrates the reality of God’s saving work.

We need to do our best to walk in The Spirit like Apostle Paul taught in Galatians 5, and IF... we mess up in future sin, we need to repent and ask Lord Jesus forgiveness, and then get back to serving Him. This is how it is while we are still in these flesh bodies of sin, as Apostle Paul showed in Romans 7.

If you were standing at the gates of heaven at this very moment and Jesus Christ asked you why He should let you into heaven, what would be your exact answer? Your answer to this question will demonstrate exactly what you have placed your faith in for salvation.

 

[mailmandan]

So you can see they are not born of God are they, they are still the old man and faking it, not the genuine article of the new man in Christ, created by GOD as a NEW creation.

Moral self-reformation is not a substitute for regeneration. There are genuine Christians and there are "nominal" or pseudo-Christians. There are genuine believers and there are make believers and it's not hard finding them mixed together throughout scripture, throughout various churches today and on various Christian forum sites.

 

[Scott Downey]

Moral self-reformation is not a substitute for regeneration. There are genuine Christians and there are "nominal" or pseudo-Christians. There are genuine believers and there are make believers and it's not hard finding them mixed together throughout scripture, throughout various churches today and on various Christian forum sites.

yes, it is a given, Jesus, Peter, Paul all taught this.

 

[Davy]

In regard to the church in Ephesus in Revelation 2, clearly the Lord wanted the church at Ephesus to repent -- to change their minds regarding their works. "You have left your first love" (verse 4). "Repent and do the first works" (verse 5). Works of love no longer characterized the church as a whole in Ephesus. In verses 2 and 6, we see that the church in Ephesus was not totally displeasing to the Lord, yet hating the deeds of the Nicolaitans and standing up for doctrinal purity still cannot be a substitute for love. So, what did the Lord mean when He spoke of removing the church's lamp stand if the church in Ephesus did not repent? The removal of the lampstand is clearly figurative language. This does not mean that individuals in the church at Ephesus will lose their salvation, but the church can forfeit its place of light bearing and witness. Ephesus (located in modern day Turkey) in which the vast majority of Turkey is Islam. Go figure.

In regard to the church of the Laodiceans. Revelation 3:15 - "I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot. 16 So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth. (this church makes Jesus sick) 17 Because you say, 'I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing'—and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked— 18 I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see. 19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore, be zealous and repent. 20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me. 21 To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne. We overcome by faith. (1 John 5:4)

Keep in mind that in various churches, it's not hard to find "nominal" Christians mixed in with genuine Christians and Jesus is addressing these churches as a whole. Like the lifeless state of the church in Sardis in Revelation 3:1-4 - "you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead." This church may have had a name of being alive, but they were spiritually lifeless. In other words, the church was filled with unsaved people going through the motions of religion who needed to wake up and repent IN CONTRAST with a few people in Sardis who have not soiled their garments; and they will walk with Jesus in white.

Satan wants us to believe in SELF righteousness and SELF preservation which stems from works righteousness.

In John 6:37, Jesus said - All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of Him who sent Me, that of all that He has given Me I lose nothing but raise it up on the last day. 40 For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.”

In John 10:27-28, we read - My sheep hear My voice, (not some of them hear His voice and some of them don't hear His voice) and I know them, (not some of them He knows and some of them He doesn't know) and they follow Me. (not some of them follow Him and some of them don't follow Him) And I give them eternal life, (not some of them He gives eternal life and some of them He doesn't give eternal life) and they shall never perish; (not some of them will never perish and some of them will perish) neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. (not some of them will never be snatched out of His hand and some of them will be snatched out of His hand)

In Romans 8:30, we read - Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. *ALL of them. *Notice how Paul uses the past tense for a future event to stress its certainty.

In Ephesians 1:13-14, we read - In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, 14 who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

In Philippians 1:6, we read - being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ.

Psalm 37:28 - For the Lord loves justice and does not forsake His saints; They are preserved forever, But the descendants of the wicked shall be cut off. Jude 1:1 - Jude, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James. To those who are called, sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ:

The phrase OSAS can be misleading when it is used to mean that anyone who once prayed the sinner's prayer or made a profession of faith is secure. I believe in preservation of the saints/eternal security of the believer, but I don't believe in eternal presumption.

So, the Biblical conclusion is not merely, “Once presumed to be saved, always saved.” It is this: those whom Christ truly saves, He keeps, and those whom He keeps continue in faith. Their continuance does not purchase salvation. It demonstrates the reality of God’s saving work.

If you were standing at the gates of heaven at this very moment and Jesus Christ asked you why He should let you into heaven, what would be your exact answer? Your answer to this question will demonstrate exactly what you have placed your faith in for salvation.

All you're doing is adding... to the Scripture ideas where they do not exist. Your doctrine leaves no room for a new babe in Christ, as we ALL... know we needed to work some sins out when we first came to Jesus and believed on Him. It's still like that for all believers, though less so hopefully after a while. But the "law of sin" Paul showed about in Romans 7 assigns it to this flesh, and as long as we are in this flesh, sin will be with us. And that is why Apostle Paul specified the difference between walking by The Spirit with which works there is no sin against, vs. walking by our flesh, which CAN... keep one OUT OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD. Paul said it in Galatians 5, I didn't.

 

[Davy]

Moral self-reformation is not a substitute for regeneration. There are genuine Christians and there are "nominal" or pseudo-Christians. There are genuine believers and there are make believers and it's not hard finding them mixed together throughout scripture, throughout various churches today and on various Christian forum sites.

You simply show you may have difficulty with forgiving others. A good tyrant is one who doesn't know how to forgive themselves, or others. A sin must be first admitted before it can be forgiven, even our own sins. Did someone claiming to be a Christian treat you badly at some point in your life?

I recall this real pretty girl who was a Christian, and she spoke in 'tongues'. Yet she divorced her husband and abandoned her two children, and played like an alley cat at night sleeping with whomever she could attract. She worked at my job for a while, and I played music on the side some which is how I saw her at night playing the alley cat. So HOW... can someone speak in 'tongues' by The Holy Spirit and still have sin like that??

 

[Davy]

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The phrase OSAS can be misleading when it is used to mean that anyone who once prayed the sinner's prayer or made a profession of faith is secure. I believe in preservation of the saints/eternal security of the believer, but I don't believe in eternal presumption.

It's not misleading at all. Those who push OSAS are pretty clear as to how they understand it, as to them it means they cannot have sin anymore. They use it to claim Jesus forgave ALL sin, past, present, and future, at His cross. So there's no mistake on HOW they interpret it. So let's not talk falsely now.

So, the Biblical conclusion is not merely, “Once presumed to be saved, always saved.” It is this: those whom Christ truly saves, He keeps, and those whom He keeps continue in faith. Their continuance does not purchase salvation. It demonstrates the reality of God’s saving work.

Lord Jesus said He can forgive all... manner... of sin... except for the unpardonable sin, which I am certain you don't know what it is. Why then do you try... to put yourself in His Authority as to whom He forgives and whom He does not??? Who made you Judge and Jury?

If you were standing at the gates of heaven at this very moment and Jesus Christ asked you why He should let you into heaven, what would be your exact answer? Your answer to this question will demonstrate exactly what you have placed your faith in for salvation.

That easy! Lord Jesus knows... I am a sinner. So I have no problem at all admitting it. Those like yourself on the other hand, I don't know about. He looks at the heart, not the outward appearance.

One of the mental problems some folks have when they err is not being able to admit their error. They always look for someone or something else to put the blame upon. I think they call it 'projection' in the field of behavioral psychology. I see OSAS doctrine especially attractive to those people.

 

[mailmandan]

All you're doing is adding... to the Scripture ideas where they do not exist. Your doctrine leaves no room for a new babe in Christ, as we ALL... know we needed to work some sins out when we first came to Jesus and believed on Him. It's still like that for all believers, though less so hopefully after a while. But the "law of sin" Paul showed about in Romans 7 assigns it to this flesh, and as long as we are in this flesh, sin will be with us. And that is why Apostle Paul specified the difference between walking by The Spirit with which works there is no sin against, vs. walking by our flesh, which CAN... keep one OUT OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD. Paul said it in Galatians 5, I didn't.

What did I add? I simply interpret scripture in context, pointing out the contrasts and properly harmonizing scripture with scripture before reaching my conclusion on doctrine. It sounds to me like you have an ax to grind.

 

[mailmandan]

You simply show you may have difficulty with forgiving others. A good tyrant is one who doesn't know how to forgive themselves, or others.

I said nothing about having difficulty with forgiving others. A good tyrant? You simply show that you may be suffering from a severe case of anti-OSAS derangement syndrome.

A sin must be first admitted before it can be forgiven, even our own sins. Did someone claiming to be a Christian treat you badly at some point in your life?

I've had that experience before (more than once) but I don't harbor unforgiveness towards these folks.

I recall this real pretty girl who was a Christian, and she spoke in 'tongues'. Yet she divorced her husband and abandoned her two children, and played like an alley cat at night sleeping with whomever she could attract. She worked at my job for a while, and I played music on the side some which is how I saw her at night playing the alley cat. So HOW... can someone speak in 'tongues' by The Holy Spirit and still have sin like that??

1 John 3:7-10 answers that question. Not all tongues are genuine. I know folks who attend Pentecostal churches who even admit that.

 

[mailmandan]

It's not misleading at all. Those who push OSAS are pretty clear as to how they understand it, as to them it means they cannot have sin anymore. They use it to claim Jesus forgave ALL sin, past, present, and future, at His cross. So, there's no mistake on HOW they interpret it. So, let's not talk falsely now.

I know multiple Christians in the OSAS camp who do not push a license to sin/license for immorality. Again, I believe in preservation of the saints/eternal security of the believer, but I don't believe in eternal presumption. Not everyone who "claims" to be a Christian truly is a Christian. Just look at all the false religions and cults there are that "claim" to be Christian. It's not hard to find folks who are, "religious, but not right with God."

Lord Jesus said He can forgive all... manner... of sin... except for the unpardonable sin, which I am certain you don't know what it is. Why then do you try... to put yourself in His Authority as to whom He forgives and whom He does not??? Who made you Judge and Jury?

Straw man argument. The unpardonable sin is in regard to the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, which is mentioned in Matthew 12:22-32 and Mark 3:22-30. This case of blasphemy which is unpardonable is a specific one. In Matthew 12:31-32, the Pharisees having witnessed irrefutable proof that Jesus was casting out demons in the power of the Holy Spirit, claimed instead that Jesus had an unclean spirit and casts them out by Beelzebul the ruler of the demons. (Matthew 12:24; Mark 3:30) Jesus was specific about what they did to commit "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit" and these Pharisees who committed this unforgivable sin were not believers.

That easy! Lord Jesus knows... I am a sinner. So, I have no problem at all admitting it. Those like yourself on the other hand, I don't know about. He looks at the heart, not the outward appearance.

How do you keep coming up with these straw man arguments? Lord knows I am a sinner and I have no problem admitting it. In the parable of the Pharisee and the tax collector, I assure you that I am NOT like the Pharisee (the some) who trust in themselves that they are righteous and view others with contempt/despise others. (Luke 18:9) I am like the tax collector, who would not so much as raise his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, ‘God, be merciful to me a sinner!’

One of the mental problems some folks have when they err is not being able to admit their error. They always look for someone or something else to put the blame upon. I think they call it 'projection' in the field of behavioral psychology.

HELLO! Oh, the irony.

I see OSAS doctrine especially attractive to those people.

You seem to have confirmed that you are suffering from severe case of anti-OSAS derangement syndrome and have an ax to grind. This will make it very difficult to have a civilized discussion with you.

 

[amigo de christo]

I said nothing about having difficulty with forgiving others. A good tyrant? You simply show that you may be suffering from a severe case of anti-OSAS derangement syndrome.

I've had that experience before (more than once) but I don't harbor unforgiveness towards these folks.

1 John 3:7-10 answers that question. Not all tongues are genuine. I know folks who attend Pentecostal churches who even admit that.

Hey mail man dan
do you notice it yet .
When i look at churches , at politics , at leaders and etc
its like watching the Titanic . no matter who comes to power and no matter who tries
to lead the churches
ALL they are doing is simply rearranging chairs on the titanic .
IN OTHER WORDS the SHIP is going down and all they can do is try and rearrange the chairs , As if that is gonna do a lick of good .
THE SHIP IS BUSTED mail man dan . AN ecumenical ice berge hit it
and the only thing we can do is GET OFF that ship or sink with it .

 

[amigo de christo]

If you believe 'performance' is a requirement for you ADC to enter Heaven then please list the verses where Jesus VIA Paul teaches that to be so.

If you really think that ol ecumeincal inclusive titanic is the ship to be on , that is on you .
That ship is gonna be sunk and all within it ON JESUS DAY .
The only ark of which there is only one door , ONLY that ship will be kept safe from the wrath of GOD and of the Lamb .
Friend , watching all these ecumeincal inclusive ones , its like watching them
all simply try and re arrange the chairs on THE TITANIC . That ship is sunk , And all within it will be too .
Time to jump that s hip and come into the ARK of GOD , WHO IS JESUS CHRIST and by whom
we are kept safe from the wrath . budda , allah , muhmmahed , hindu , none of it will save them .
And the lie of anti christ will not save them no matter HOW many hands joined in with hands
Under its all inclusive ecuemincal peace . That ship IS ALREADY SUNK , its just dont know it yet .
BUT WILL ON JESUS DAY .

 

[mailmandan]

Hey mail man dan
do you notice it yet .
When i look at churches , at politics , at leaders and etc
its like watching the Titanic . no matter who comes to power and no matter who tries
to lead the churches
ALL they are doing is simply rearranging chairs on the titanic .
IN OTHER WORDS the SHIP is going down and all they can do is try and rearrange the chairs , As if that is gonna do a lick of good .
THE SHIP IS BUSTED mail man dan . AN ecumenical ice berge hit it
and the only thing we can do is GET OFF that ship or sink with it .

I won't be going down with that ship.

 

[amigo de christo]

"whose end will be according to their works."
Notice the signs of their works!; in I Timothy 5 from those who are true, versus those who are false.

The false ones are antichrists, cast off their faith, turn aside after Satan, they are not 'OF US' as John wrote, not having the SPIRIT.

9 Do not let a widow under sixty years old be taken into the number, and not unless she has been the wife of one man, 10 well reported for good works: if she has brought up children, if she has lodged strangers, if she has washed the saints’ feet, if she has relieved the afflicted, if she has diligently followed every good work.

11 But [c]refuse the younger widows; for when they have begun to grow wanton against Christ, they desire to marry, 12 having condemnation because they have cast off their first [d]faith. 13 And besides they learn to be idle, wandering about from house to house, and not only idle but also gossips and busybodies, saying things which they ought not. 14 Therefore I desire that the younger widows marry, bear children, manage the house, give no opportunity to the adversary to speak reproachfully. 15 For some have already turned aside after Satan. 16 If any believing [e]man or woman has widows, let them [f]relieve them, and do not let the church be burdened, that it may relieve those who are really widows.

The great and might Ecumeincal inclusive Titanic IS SUNK .
They just do not know it yet , but will ON JESUS DAY mr scott .
Only then , TOO late .
THERE be only ONE ark of GOD and the ecumeincal inclusive titanic AINT IT .
JESUS IS .
And there be only one door into that ark , that body , AND JESUS IS that door .
And its not all inclusive . IT wont be JESUS , ALLAH , MUHAMMED , HINDUSIM , BUDDISM or any other ism lined up .
ITS JESUS ALONE . all else is but of the darkness .
I been watching these ecumeincal inclusive leaders of whom are many
and their politics of whom are many
And you wanna know what i see in them all .
THEY are on busted sinking ship that s truck a huge ecumeincal iceberge ,
but rather than abandoning it , THEY SIMPLY keep trying to rearrange the chairs , As if that is gonna do any good .
THE SHIPS BUSTED and sinking . ITS TIME TO JUMP that ship and for them to enter into the one true ARK of GOD
which IS JESUS CHRIST and by FAITH is our entrance into said ark . as in FAITH IN HE WHOM GOD DID SEND , AS IN JESUS CHRIST .

 

[amigo de christo]

I won't be going down with that ship.

But many will .
And now allow me a huge reminder that we all NEED to hear again .
Cause this includes the lippers who used the name of JESUS
and yet preached this sorry pile of all inclusive ecuemenical peace , THAT DENIED THE DIRE NEED
to HAVE to beleive on HIM . AS IT OFFERED UP A LIE .
A LIE that said ALL religoins are coming to the same GOD we christains SERVE , that in fact
WE ALL serve the same GOD and that GODS plan is this Peace plan . WHIch i MGIHT ADD
DENIED THE GOSPEL mail man dan . THAT AINT NO PEACE PLAN OF GOD my friend .
But rather its peace is of
AND BY PEACE SHALL HE , as in ANTI CHRIST , destroy many . that is where and who
this entire eucmeincal inclusive realm of peace does lead them all as one man unto .

 

[amigo de christo]

I won't be going down with that ship.

Let us beware my friend . let us beware .
because unto all who even cliamed to beleive on JESUS and even lipped his gospel ,
WHICH DARN SURE says ONE must believe from the heart that GOD rose him from the dead
and to confess him by mouth ,
IF THEY ALLOW UNBELEIF upon them false religions
and act as if we all serving the same God in different ways
THEN THEIR BELEIF was NOT IN THE GOSPEL
but rather in a false gospel. UNBELIEF mail man d an , IS UNBELEIF . either we BELEIVE
or we dont believe . But we cant play as if we do beleive and as if JESUS is our way
AND THEN PREACH A HARLOTS LOVE and an anti christ peace LIE to them .
NOR can we even support it or any who does .
CAUSE he or she who supports it , IS CO HELPER TO IT .
and we cannot be a co helper to TRUTH and A LIE
we cannot be a co helper of the gospel and of anti christ peace . ITs one or the other dan .
As for me , ITS JESUS ONLY my friend . I STICK TO and CLING TO that One true gospel
which means i also expose any and all that is contrary TO THAT ONE TRUE GOSPEL and the teachings of Christ
and of the apostels .
WE make our choice . Many can choose to join the ever growing
and massive numbers of that inclusive ecumeincal ship as serve its god , its harlot and its anti christ peace ,
BUT AS FOR ME and the sheep , ITS JESUS CHRIST and HE ALONE .

 

[Marvelloustime]

Let us beware my friend . let us beware .
because unto all who even cliamed to beleive on JESUS and even lipped his gospel ,
WHICH DARN SURE says ONE must believe from the heart that GOD rose him from the dead
and to confess him by mouth ,
IF THEY ALLOW UNBELEIF upon them false religions
and act as if we all serving the same God in different ways
THEN THEIR BELEIF was NOT IN THE GOSPEL
but rather in a false gospel. UNBELIEF mail man d an , IS UNBELEIF . either we BELEIVE
or we dont believe . But we cant play as if we do beleive and as if JESUS is our way
AND THEN PREACH A HARLOTS LOVE and an anti christ peace LIE to them .
NOR can we even support it or any who does .
CAUSE he or she who supports it , IS CO HELPER TO IT .
and we cannot be a co helper to TRUTH and A LIE
we cannot be a co helper of the gospel and of anti christ peace . ITs one or the other dan .
As for me , ITS JESUS ONLY my friend . I STICK TO and CLING TO that One true gospel
which means i also expose any and all that is contrary TO THAT ONE TRUE GOSPEL and the teachings of Christ
and of the apostels .
WE make our choice . Many can choose to join the ever growing
and massive numbers of that inclusive ecumeincal ship as serve its god , its harlot and its anti christ peace ,
BUT AS FOR ME and the sheep , ITS JESUS CHRIST and HE ALONE .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

But many will .
And now allow me a huge reminder that we all NEED to hear again .
Cause this includes the lippers who used the name of JESUS
and yet preached this sorry pile of all inclusive ecuemenical peace , THAT DENIED THE DIRE NEED
to HAVE to beleive on HIM . AS IT OFFERED UP A LIE .
A LIE that said ALL religoins are coming to the same GOD we christains SERVE , that in fact
WE ALL serve the same GOD and that GODS plan is this Peace plan . WHIch i MGIHT ADD
DENIED THE GOSPEL mail man dan . THAT AINT NO PEACE PLAN OF GOD my friend .
But rather its peace is of
AND BY PEACE SHALL HE , as in ANTI CHRIST , destroy many . that is where and who
this entire eucmeincal inclusive realm of peace does lead them all as one man unto .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

If you really think that ol ecumeincal inclusive titanic is the ship to be on , that is on you .
That ship is gonna be sunk and all within it ON JESUS DAY .
The only ark of which there is only one door , ONLY that ship will be kept safe from the wrath of GOD and of the Lamb .
Friend , watching all these ecumeincal inclusive ones , its like watching them
all simply try and re arrange the chairs on THE TITANIC . That ship is sunk , And all within it will be too .
Time to jump that s hip and come into the ARK of GOD , WHO IS JESUS CHRIST and by whom
we are kept safe from the wrath . budda , allah , muhmmahed , hindu , none of it will save them .
And the lie of anti christ will not save them no matter HOW many hands joined in with hands
Under its all inclusive ecuemincal peace . That ship IS ALREADY SUNK , its just dont know it yet .
BUT WILL ON JESUS DAY .

@amigo de christo

 

[faithhopecharity]

Peter denied Christ 3 times, yet Peter is still saved :)

Peter repented also and protested his love for Christ 3 times

Charcoal fire was present both times too!

Thks