Catholics

[BreadOfLife]

Um...what lie have I said about the Roman Catholic Church?

That it was preceded by the Orthodox and Coptic churches.
This is a complete and total lie - but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you just don't know any better.

I'd LOVE to see your proof.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Just for the record, BreadofLife does not speak for the Vatican, all Catholics or me; despite his assertions to the contrary.

You're right - I don't speak for dissident Catholics.

 

[BreadOfLife]

1 Thessalonians 5
22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.
Praying to images = The appearance of evil.

And telling lies about Christ's Church on a discussion forum = the manifestation of evil . . .

Prov. 12:22
"Lying lips are an abomination to the LORD"

 

[BreadOfLife]

No, I am being honest, nor is my English in error. It can be and is, defined as "substitute." But"vicar" is not my choice of words, but rather those of Catholic church. So, if you have an accusation of dishonesty regarding the word, you should take it up with them.

Even so, "head" especially, is the wrong word according to Christ.

You're absolutely being dishonest by claiming that I am "contradicting" myself.
Anti-Catholic lies are so infectious that people often forget that they are partaking in lies.

How did I "contradict" myself??

 

[Job]

1 Thessalonians 5
22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.


Praying to images = The appearance of evil.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Does the Catechism forbid attending a Quaker meeting?

It's all about intent.
WHY are you attending Quaker services?

 

[aspen]

Thanks - I can always use extra prayers.
As for me being serious - I'm always serious about truth.

Unless YOU can substantiate the claims you made about the Coptic and Orthodox churches - you're just telling lies.
Too many people around here playing fast and loose with the facts - and even more of them inventing their own "facts" . . .

The Coptic and orthodox Churches both claim to be first. I am not lying when I point out their claims. Your word play about the word Catholic is childish and based in ignorance. Several Protestant brothers on this board have already pointed out that the word Catholic means universal; lingering any longer on this is like entertaining Trump. It is painful for me to watch you throwing around church history, as if you knew something - please stop. It is unbecoming of a Catholic.

 

[aspen]

It's all about intent.
WHY are you attending Quaker services?

I will take this as a 'no. The Catechism does not forbid attending Quaker Meetings'

 

[bbyrd009]

Catholics ARE monotheists and don't worship Mary

hence the "if" BoD, lighten up. Surely Mary..."adoration?" is on a bell curve too and i am not making any value judgements here ok

 

[bbyrd009]

That phrase is not a lesson in praying for each other.
Jesus was talking to a multitude and therefore, speaking in plurals.

Dude - LEARN what the Bible teaches . . .

ha you are a piece of work, BreadofDeath. so snide alla time

 

[BreadOfLife]

I will take this as a 'no. The Catechism does not forbid attending Quaker Meetings'

The Catechism also doesn't say anything about passing gas in church - but we know that's wrong.
The Catechism is not a definitive list of everything. If you were strong in the knowledge of your faith - you would have known that.

Why are you attending Quaker services?
Is it because you're not getting enough out of your Catholic faith?

 

[BreadOfLife]

ha you are a piece of work, BreadofDeath. so snide alla time

If you feel that the truth is somehow "snide" - then I feel sorry for you.

 

[BreadOfLife]

The Coptic and orthodox Churches both claim to be first. I am not lying when I point out their claims. Your word play about the word Catholic is childish and based in ignorance. Several Protestant brothers on this board have already pointed out that the word Catholic means universal; lingering any longer on this is like entertaining Trump. It is painful for me to watch you throwing around church history, as if you knew something - please stop. It is unbecoming of a Catholic.

Uhhhh - no. You don't get to make a claim false claim about the Church - then back-pedal.

YOU made the claim that the Coptic and Orthodox churches preceded the Catholic Church on more than one post.
I corrected you by letting you know that "Coptic" simply refers to a RITE or Custom - not the name of the Church - yet, you STILL persisted in this falsehood. NOW, you're back-pedaling by saying that "they" made the claim.

Bottom line:
DON'T make statements or claims that you cannot back up with documented evidence.
That's Debating 101 . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

hence the "if" BoD, lighten up. Surely Mary..."adoration?" is on a bell curve too and i am not making any value judgements here ok

No - it is vehemently forbidden by the Church.
To make the claim that we DO worship Mary is just another in your LONG list of lies . . .

 

[ScottA]

This is a foolish position.
To make the claim that the Church went "astray" - then to be completely unable to say how and when this happened is preposterous.

When you hurl a charge at somebody - you'd better make sure you know what you're talking about - or you expose yourself as a deceitful person.

I have already said "how." It is as I said: given the choice of following the man Peter or the principle of revelation by God, the Catholic church has chosen to revere Peter and appoint a line of successors. And according to you...the office is "Head (Christ) on earth."

 

[BreadOfLife]

I have already said "how." It is as I said: given the choice of following the man Peter or the principle of revelation by God, the Catholic church has chosen to revere Peter and appoint a line of successors. And according to you...the office is "Head (Christ) on earth."

And I showed you that the Apostles themselves under the guidance of the Holy Spirit declared their office to be a successive on in Acts 1:20:
"Let another take his Episkopay (Bishopric)."

That's the "How" and the "When".
Now - what do YOU say the how and when was??

 

[ScottA]

Guess what?
The Bible also says that Abraham is the Rock:
Isaiah 51:1-2
Look to the ROCK from which you were cut
and to the quarry from which you were hewn;
look to ABRAHAM, your father,
and to Sarah, who gave you birth.

What YOU'RE dancing around is the fact that Matt. 16:18 is talking about Peter and Peter ONLY.
Jesus specifically gave Peter this title over ALL of the other Apostles - and that is what He is referring to in Matt. 16:18 - NOT Himself.

No. Jesus gave him the title of "apostle"...nothing more.

But, the dance here, is you and the Catholic church dancing around and avoiding the "subject" of Christ's statement, which is the revelation by His Father in heaven. Why do you continue to avoid the greater part?

 

[aspen]

Ok, I am finished with foolishness here. If anyone is interested in talking about the Roman Catholic Church with an adult, who will be responsive and respect your faith as a fellow follower of Christ, let me know.

I have taught undergraduate courses in church history at a Presbyterian university and I enjoy discussing similarities and differences within the Christian faith. I am also open to correction and will agree to disagree.

 

[ScottA]

If you don't follow the teachings/doctrines/beliefs of a specific church (denomination) then who's teachings do you follow?

If your answer is you follow the teachings of Christ then I would argue all the other people who belong to a denomination also BELIEVE they are following the teachings of Christ. You are alleging that MOST of the denominational masses don't follow the teachings of their church. Since you have no facts to back up that statement I ask you: What is wrong with following the teachings of a specific Church? Why is it ok for you to follow what you BELIEVE to be true (your church of one) but everyone else is wrong to follow what THEY BELIEVE to be True in their church of 1 billion?

You seem to be saying you follow the spirit and not leaders. How do you KNOW that they are not following the spirit when they choose to follow the specific teachings of a denomination?

Are YOU ScottA the only one who can PROPERLY hear the Spirit and interpret His word?

To ask it another way: How do you know YOU are right and THEY are wrong?

I am not a "believer." I did not know God, ran out of answers and options in life, called out to him, he answered - and now I "know" what I know...first hand.

Nonetheless, I am not condemning all denominational teaching...just some of the motivation and error that comes from them. Nobody's perfect (save Christ) - I get that.

 

[ScottA]

You're absolutely being dishonest by claiming that I am "contradicting" myself.
Anti-Catholic lies are so infectious that people often forget that they are partaking in lies.

How did I "contradict" myself??

Here:

Catholics ALSO reject anything other than Christ being the Head of His Church - so what's your point??
The Pope is merely the Vicar or chief agent in charge of Christ's Church on earth.

The Catholic Church does not teach that the Pope's leadership usurps that of Jesus, who is the Head of the Church.
The Pope is the visible, earthly head. The Church extends to those no longer on this earth. the Pope is the EARTHLY head.

...You say that Catholics reject anything other than Christ being the Head of the church, then you say the Pope is the earthly Head.

...Wasn't it you who said "You can't have it both ways?" (now hypocrisy).