Salvation loss. Is it possible?

[BreadOfLife]

Well, God created the devil...didn't he?

No, you're the one that was saying that.

Stranger

No - He created an Angel - who became evil.

 

[BreadOfLife]

No, you're the one that was saying that.

Stranger

Uhhhhhh, no - the BIBLE does:

Mark 6:12-13
They (the Twelve) went out and preached that people should repent. They (the Twelve) drove out many demons and anointed many sick people with oil and healed them.

 

[Stranger]

This is really pathetic, Stranger.
In this verse - Jesus is talking to the Jewish leaders that were NOT of His sheep - which are His flock.

Are you really THAT full of pride that you can't admit when you are wrong about what the Bible teaches??

You said sheep are always born again believers. Christ is telling these Jews that they believe not because they are not his sheep.

Do you see? They are sheep first. Because they are sheep, they believe. Thus sheep are a picture of the people of God, not just born-again.

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

No - He created an Angel - who became evil.

So God didn't know what He was creating?

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

Uhhhhhh, no - the BIBLE does:

Mark 6:12-13
They (the Twelve) went out and preached that people should repent. They (the Twelve) drove out many demons and anointed many sick people with oil and healed them.

Like I said, you're the one saying Judas, a devil, did miracles and cast out demons. Not me.

Just because the '12' did it, doesn't mean everyone cast out a demon or did a miracle.

Stranger

 

[BreadOfLife]

So God didn't know what He was creating?

Stranger

God also create Adam and Eve without sin - and look what happened to them . . .

So - are you a Calvinist who believes that God creates only a FEW people who are destined to go to Heaven - and creates the re rest of us as evil beings to be cast into Hell??

I that what you believe??

 

[BreadOfLife]

Like I said, you're the one saying Judas, a devil, did miracles and cast out demons. Not me.

Just because the '12' did it, doesn't mean everyone cast out a demon or did a miracle.

Stranger

Like I said before - if you can find a verse that says only ELEVEN of them did these things - then you might have a point.

Talk about the ignorant and unstable twisting the Scriptures to their own destruction . . .

 

[Stranger]

God also create Adam and Eve without sin - and look what happened to them . . .

So - are you a Calvinist who believes that God creates only a FEW people who are destined to go to Heaven - and creates the re rest of us as evil beings to be cast into Hell??

I that what you believe??

Yes, Adam and Eve were without sin. And they were not saved or redeemed. They were simply the people of God in a relationship with God. You however want to take the story of the prodigal son to mean the son was redeemed before he was lost. Silly.

The prodigal son is a story of salvation. Not a loss of salvation.

Stranger

 

[BreadOfLife]

You said sheep are always born again believers. Christ is telling these Jews that they believe not because they are not his sheep.

Do you see? They are sheep first. Because they are sheep, they believe. Thus sheep are a picture of the people of God, not just born-again.

Stranger

WRONG.
We, His Sheep are NOT believers because we're His Sheep.
We are His Sheep BECAUSE we are born again believers.

 

[Stranger]

Like I said before - if you can find a verse that says only ELEVEN of them did these things - then you might have a point.

Talk about the ignorant and unstable twisting the Scriptures to their own destruction . . .

Find a verse that says Judas cast out demons. Don't give me the 'twelve'.

Stranger

 

[BreadOfLife]

Yes, Adam and Eve were without sin. And they were not saved or redeemed. They were simply the people of God in a relationship with God. You however want to take the story of the prodigal son to mean the son was redeemed before he was lost. Silly.

The prodigal son is a story of salvation. Not a loss of salvation.

Stranger

This is getting scary - you CAN'T be this dense.

Adam and Eve were not redeemed or saved because they HADN'T sinned yet and there was no need for redemption.
Unless you are saying the the Story of the Prodigal Son is ONLY about Adam and Eve - you have no case.

 

[Stranger]

WRONG.
We, His Sheep are NOT believers because we're His Sheep.
We are His Sheep BECAUSE we are born again believers.

But that is not what it said. (John 10:26) "But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep..."

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

This is getting scary - you CAN'T be this dense.

Adam and Eve were not redeemed or saved because they HADN'T sinned yet and there was no need for redemption.
Unless you are saying the the Story of the Prodigal Son is ONLY about Adam and Eve - you have no case.

No, I am saying the story of the prodigal son is one of salvation.

Exactly right, Adam and Eve were not saved because they hadn't sinned yet.

But you are interpreting the prodigal son as being saved already with the father before he was lost. It doesn't work.

Pay attention.

Stranger

 

[BreadOfLife]

Find a verse that says Judas cast out demons. Don't give me the 'twelve'.

Stranger

Judas isn't mentioned as one of the "Twelve" in ANY of these verses.
Is Judas included as being part of the "Twelve" in these verses??

Matthew 10:1
Jesus summoned His twelve disciples and gave them authority over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal every kind of disease and every kind of sickness.

Matthew 11:1
When Jesus had finished giving instructions to His twelve disciples, He departed from there to teach and preach in their cities.

Luke 6:13
And when day came, He called His disciples to Him and chose twelve of them, whom He also named as apostles:

Luke 9:1
And He called the twelve together, and gave them power and authority over all the demons and to heal diseases.

Mark 3:14
And He appointed twelve, so that they would be with Him and that He could send them out to preach,

Matthew 10:5
These twelve Jesus sent out after instructing them: "Do not go in the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter any city of the Samaritans;

Matthew 20:17
As Jesus was about to go up to Jerusalem, He took the twelve disciples aside by themselves, and on the way He said to them,

John 20:24
But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.

 

[BreadOfLife]

No, I am saying the story of the prodigal son is one of salvation.

Exactly right, Adam and Eve were not saved because they hadn't sinned yet.
But you are interpreting the prodigal son as being saved already with the father before he was lost. It doesn't work.
Pay attention.
Stranger

2 Pet. 3:16
He (Paul) writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their OWN destruction.

Consider yourself Scripturally-spanked . . .

 

[Stranger]

Judas isn't mentioned as one of the "Twelve" in ANY of these verses.
Is Judas included as being part of the "Twelve" in these verses??

Matthew 10:1
Jesus summoned His twelve disciples and gave them authority over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal every kind of disease and every kind of sickness.

Matthew 11:1
When Jesus had finished giving instructions to His twelve disciples, He departed from there to teach and preach in their cities.

Luke 6:13
And when day came, He called His disciples to Him and chose twelve of them, whom He also named as apostles:

Luke 9:1
And He called the twelve together, and gave them power and authority over all the demons and to heal diseases.

Mark 3:14
And He appointed twelve, so that they would be with Him and that He could send them out to preach,

Matthew 10:5
These twelve Jesus sent out after instructing them: "Do not go in the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter any city of the Samaritans;

Matthew 20:17
As Jesus was about to go up to Jerusalem, He took the twelve disciples aside by themselves, and on the way He said to them,

John 20:24
But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came.

Yes, Judas is one of the twelve.

Stranger

 

[BreadOfLife]

But that is not what it said. (John 10:26) "But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep..."

Stranger

Provers 26:4
Don't answer a fool according to his foolishness, or you will be just like him.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Yes, Judas is one of the twelve.

Stranger

PRECISELY.

Thanks for finally admitting that He is one of the Twelve who cast out demons and healed the sick.
You've come a LONG way . . .

 

[Stranger]

2 Pet. 3:16
He (Paul) writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their OWN destruction.

Consider yourself Scripturally-spanked . . .

What I consider is you're avoiding (John 10:26). So, we who are believers, believe because we are His sheep. We don't become sheep because we believe. Correct? Which shows your interpretation of the prodigal son is wrong. It is of salvation. Not a loss of salvation.

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

Provers 26:4
Don't answer a fool according to his foolishness, or you will be just like him.

Or, don't answer because Scripture goes against you. How about that one?

Stranger