Catholics

[bbyrd009]

ya, i'm a hypocrite too, you don't have to tell me

 

[aspen]

Oh brother....

 

[epostle1]

Hi there.....
You certainly have put up with all that nonsense for the longest time. I see that a few others have tried to reach this 'would be' usurper of Christ in peoples lives, just like all the organized religions, that's all they try to do too.
Let's face it.....WHAT WOULD THE CHURCHES DO , if suddenly men started running to Jesus instead of church, they would find themselves irrelevant, dried up branches good for nothing but the fire.
Good on you for caring enough to keep trying.......:)

My dear, the Church is Jesus on earth.

 

[pia]

My dear, the Church is Jesus on earth.

Thank God it isn't. Everyone would be in deep do-do

 

[mjrhealth]

No - just a lover of truth and a despiser of lies.

But than again, how can a blind man walking in darkness ever comprehend the light,

or as Jesus put it,

Luk 5:39 No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.

and

Joh 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
Joh 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

 

[bbyrd009]

Thank God it isn't. Everyone would be in deep do-do

i dunno, the Church is the Body of Christ; even if i don't mean the same church that K does...

 

[epostle1]

I did not say the sins of the Church is Jesus on earth.

Acts 9:4 And he fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?” 5 And he said, “Who are you, Lord?” And he said, “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting; 6 but rise and enter the city, and you will be told what you are to do.”

1) If the Church is not Jesus on earth, whom is Saul ultimately persecuting? The answer is in verse 5.
2) How can Saul be persecuting Jesus (which the text clearly states) if Jesus is only in heaven?
3) Who told Paul what he is to do? Did Jesus appear a second time or was he told by a representative of the Church what to do? See Acts 9:10-19

 

[BreadOfLife]

But than again, how can a blind man walking in darkness ever comprehend the light,

or as Jesus put it,

Luk 5:39 No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.

and

Joh 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
Joh 1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

And that blind man is YOU.
I belong to Christ's Church which is the pillar and foundation of the truth (1 Tim. 3:15).

 

[Marymog]

Yes I was talking about 'mjrhealth' and yes, he had been raised a catholic and during one of those services, he was apprehended by the Lord, given a revelation ( and has had many since. ), which made him come out of the system of religion ( and this would apply to all institutionalized religions ) and found himself in Christ, instead of in church. He has a wonderful testimony. I have known him approx 15 years, and when he or I talk of revelation, that is something The Lord always confirms, so we each know truth when it comes through the Spirit. It's impossible to get it wrong, if or when Jesus is standing right in front of you, telling you something, but it is a little more tricky when it comes by that small still voice. Hope we at least got that clarified. Are you expecting what I post to you to be from sarcasm or unkindness? In case you did, I can tell you that it really isn't so.
Have yourself a lovely day

Pia,

Thank you. Yes, you clarified and no I did not think your post was in sarcasm or unkindness. I simply misunderstood it.

Scripture CLEARLY sets up what you call a "system of religion" that is "institutionalized". Do you read scripture?

Mary

 

[Marymog]

A long journey for sure, and no, of course it's not finished yet. I learn new things from Him on a regular basis ( because I push in and ask ) and am growing little by little, like a little tree, all the time.
Whether I am for or against people who abort babies, really won't make any difference what so ever, to those going through that, and since I am not going through that, and therefore not responsible for it, I really shouldn't be shouting about it. I pray for people, then leave them in the capable hands of the Lord, because if He can't reach them, then what hope would I have ?
I think we Christians concern ourselves far too much with what others are doing, I think we should concentrate on our own walk with the Lord, and then perhaps, just perhaps one day, we will be able to be there for a person, and be able to be a real help in a moment of need.

Hi,

To be honest your answer (or lack of an answer) kind of concerns me. You can't come right out and say you are NOT ok with them following their heart and aborting their baby?

What if in my own walk with the Lord he encourages me to be active in stopping abortion? Should I ignore what Jesus tells me? Or should I do as you suggest and stop concerning myself with what others are doing?

Curious Mary

 

[Marymog]

The order for Lazarus to come forth was not a prayer. It was a command. But it was a command after a prayer. (John 11:41-42) "...And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me. And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me." I don't understand how that is not a prayer.

No, I don't think Jesus is a hypocrite. The purpose of the Pharisee praying in public was to be seen of men. And we who are followers of Christ should devout our prayer time in private to avoid such appearance of hypocrisy. But there does come times when it is acceptable to God. Jesus didn't pray here to be seen of men. He prayed so that they may believe that He was sent from God.

Stranger

Hi Stranger,

Thank you for reading my post. I knew you would read it and respond to it. I know you always read my post even though sometimes you don't respond to them. (according to your interpretation of scripture, I just prayed to you) :

When did Jesus pray in public??

Mary

 

[Marymog]

1. Because you have no life in your words, they only speak death
2. Joh_10:5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.
and you are a stranger
3. Gal_4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
Wonderful tradition of catholism and mens religions,
4. Joh_3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
And all mens religions are of teh flesh, Carnal
5. Heb_9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
Ire this bit
Isa 66:1 Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?
Isa 66:2 For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.

God does not live in mens churches neither can He partake of that which is not of Him,

I hope you find teh truth soon,

Dear sir,

You response makes absolutely zero sense. So I ask again:

How do you know if the Spirit has not led Pia and I to this day?

Do you know the will of the Spirit? (A simple yes or no will do)

Are you saying the Spirit is not talking to me but is talking to you??

Confused Mary

 

[Marymog]

It's a stupid question.

Hi Kepha,

Why is it a stupid question? The question is based on YOUR statement: "It isn't logical to pin God down as to which group He will answer,"

I think it IS LOGICAL to pin God down as to which group He will answer. I don't think he will answer the prayers of the Fred Phelps group to kill gay people. Do you?

I don't think he will answer the Baptist Preachers who pray over bread and try's to make it Jesus body. Do you??

Curious Mary

 

[Stranger]

Hi Stranger,

Thank you for reading my post. I knew you would read it and respond to it. I know you always read my post even though sometimes you don't respond to them. (according to your interpretation of scripture, I just prayed to you) :

When did Jesus pray in public??

Mary

I don't believe that is a fair comparison. You can talk, ask, and plead to another human for many things. But that is never a prayer. But if you are talking, asking, or pleading to God, that is a prayer.

Jesus Christ's prayer to God just prior to His raising of Lazarus was a public prayer. And He didn't do it as a hypocrite to be seen as something He is not.

Strange

 

[pia]

i dunno, the Church is the Body of Christ; even if i don't mean the same church that K does...

We can say that I suppose :)

 

[bbyrd009]

But that is never a prayer.

? i disagree. KJV guys even used the phrase commonly, "prithee." a prayer is a prayer

 

[bbyrd009]

Jesus Christ's prayer to God just prior to His raising of Lazarus was a public prayer.

seems like i recall Christ specifically saying why a public prayer was made there; hafta check but regardless imo this is a poor, unWitnessed pov from which to build a doctrine of public prayer. Even goes against some specific prayer instructions, yes?

 

[pia]

I don't believe that is a fair comparison. You can talk, ask, and plead to another human for many things. But that is never a prayer. But if you are talking, asking, or pleading to God, that is a prayer.

Jesus Christ's prayer to God just prior to His raising of Lazarus was a public prayer. And He didn't do it as a hypocrite to be seen as something He is not.

Strange

Old English :" I pray thee." merely means I ask you... :)

 

[pia]

Pia,

Thank you. Yes, you clarified and no I did not think your post was in sarcasm or unkindness. I simply misunderstood it.

Scripture CLEARLY sets up what you call a "system of religion" that is "institutionalized". Do you read scripture?

Mary

I began reading the Bible 6 1/2 years after my first encounter with Him, and I must say, it didn't take me long to get confused. Also what the Pastor sometimes spoke of, was 100% wrong ( according to Jesus), and that made it an untenable position to be in. I won't challenge a Pastor, that's Jesus' job. I started seeking Jesus more and more for the answers, and for the past 3 decades He has been kind enough, to keep answering me.
What used to happen more than any other, would be that Jesus would explain something to me in plain ( almost kindergarten level ) words, I would share it with someone, who would show me where in the Bible they would find a reference to it.
The errors we make most often is that we don't 'Rightly divide the word of Truth' and sadly those who continued the Church, did it in an incorrect way, by mixing it with pagan rituals and festivals, thus diluting the Truth, and sadder still, they are the ones to this day, who keep believers bound, to a man put together system, our Lord never intended, by not being taught by The Holy Spirit, The Spirit of Truth! Why look elsewhere?

 

[pia]

Hi,

To be honest your answer (or lack of an answer) kind of concerns me. You can't come right out and say you are NOT ok with them following their heart and aborting their baby?

What if in my own walk with the Lord he encourages me to be active in stopping abortion? Should I ignore what Jesus tells me? Or should I do as you suggest and stop concerning myself with what others are doing?

Curious Mary

All you can do is to follow your own heart... if we miss something ( and we are open to be corrected by Him ) He is more than capable of telling us and setting us on the right path.
He more than any other has taught me to mind my own business about a whole lot of things, and why it is so unacceptable for us to appoint ourselves as 'judges' over others.
You will have to do with what I answered as i cannot say anymore than that. :)