Salvation loss. Is it possible?

[bbyrd009]

I seem to have completely lost track of the conversation. Sorry about that.

God bless,
Mick

surely i just interjected a non sequitur, Mick, sorry

 

[bbyrd009]

I seem to have completely lost track of the conversation. Sorry about that.

God bless,
Mick

1Now I say that as long as the heir is a child, he differs in no way from a slave, though he is the owner of everything.
2Instead, he is under guardians and stewards until the time set by his father.

so it might be seen that when the heir matures, he is no longer under the "the servants."
Job was guilty--although we have lost the sense of this in the Christian Job story--of keeping the Law,
and of not having a relationship with God, which is reflected in our relationships with others, i guess.

we--or at least i--often seek to deal with the people in our lives correctly, but without really getting involved, perhaps.
there is a sacrifice in taking an interest in someone else's life, so to speak--at least if the person does not interest you,
but God has like put them in your face or whatever? Those people who are drawn to you, but you are not drawn to them?
That you keep at arm's length or whatever? (And your friends treat you like a guest)

and i have no idea where this is coming from Mick--the culmination of a lot of study of Job i guess; prolly for someone else ok
but Esau and Jacob even make more sense in this light...even if Esau was "Father's" favorite, haven't figured that part out yet lol

 

[bbyrd009]

Jesus surely has to be the one who is right, not individual understandings of the scriptures.

and Scripture is even written to reflect this; if you notice, you cannot state a universally accepted truth from Scripture, that cannot be countered by other Scripture. Individual understandings of Scripture are--strangely enough--all that exist, even if one might agree with another on a certain passage. That does not negate that there is another camp with an equally valid (or at least Scriptural, from their pov) pov. This is how one reveals their heart to God (and others, if they can see it)

 

[bbyrd009]

I don't believe the Holy Spirit will not give truth when asks by a believer. Jesus promised He will send another comforter and guide us into all truths. There is only one truth and one Gospel and that is circumscribed by the Bible! Not by the Catholic Church and that is the difference.

To God Be The Glory

many will cry Lord, Lord

i would lose this idea of "salvation" being some on/off switch that gets thrown after one says the right code words in a mortgaged building we now call "church."

 

[BreadOfLife]

Physical death can be a judgement from God against the believer. But it isn't a loss of salvation.

And, we will see Ananias and Sapphira in heaven. Their judgement was physical death, not eternal.

Nothing says you have to drop physically dead. But you will die from the judgement God gives. As to the sin of death, that is up to God who knows the individual.

Stranger

Who are YOU to say that we will see Ananias ans Sapphira in Heaven?
That is only for GOD to decide - not you.

They were punished because they lied to GOD.
This is another prime example of people who had an epignosis of Christ and LOST it all by their own doing.

 

[BreadOfLife]

I agree. They were an example.

That story always kinda scared me. Glad to hear it wasn't real. whew

Why would you say it wasn't real?
It was absolutely real. When I said they were an "example" - I didn't mean that they were a fairy tale.

They were made an example for ALL of us.

 

[BreadOfLife]

No "right or wrong".
This is actually true..I believe it! God has spoken to me through the most obscure scriptures. He has just grabbed a scripture and spoken to me personally through it...YET in reading the whole passage, that one scripture is not saying what God used it to speak to me.

In my experience...God can indeed speak two different things from a scripture to two different people.
A friend of mine was doing a morning bible reading when a verse in Pauls writings "jumped" out at her. It made no sense to her at all...something about "accepting something"...and God blessing her for it.
That afternoon someone called her and asked her if they would be willing to accept a Pastor who needed lodgings. Straight way " she knew" that this was what the Holy Spirit was speaking about in the morning reading.
That was the pastor who led me to the Lord...he lodged with them for 15 years.
Just saying... blessings...H

Soooo, you believe that God can tell somebody that homosexual union is wrong and another that it is good?
You believe that God can tell some people that Soul Sleep is a reality and tell others that is is a farce?

He is not the God of confusion.
MEN did that with their flawed interpretations - not God.

 

[Pisteuo]

Why would you say it wasn't real?
It was absolutely real. When I said they were an "example" - I didn't mean that they were a fairy tale.

They were made an example for ALL of us.

I know. It was my poor attempt at humor.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Jesus surely has to be the one who is right, not individual understandings of the scriptures.

Thanks - but that doesn't answer the question.

I asked which of the tens of thousands of disjointed and perpetually-splintering Protestant sects has it right - and which ones have it wrong??
They ALL got their interpretations from Scripture - yet they ALL teach different doctrines.

You yourself said that some of your former pastors taught that we can lose our salvation. THEY got their interpretations from the Bible.
How do you know that they are wrong and YOU are right if you ALL prayed before you read the Scriptures and got two different interpretations??

 

[BreadOfLife]

I know. It was my poor attempt at humor.

Ahhhh, I should have seen that.
My bad . . .

 

[ScottA]

I asked which of the tens of thousands of disjointed and perpetually-splintering Protestant sects has it right - and which ones have it wrong??
They ALL got their interpretations from Scripture - yet they ALL teach different doctrines.

This is not a Protestant or Catholic issue. It is a "body of many members" issue, and therefore wrong to take such a self-damning position. We are the members of one body, and "God has set the members, each one of them, in the body just as He pleased."

Have you no knowledge of God's own "confusion" placed upon all language, or His sending "strong delusion", or His sending a spirit of "slumber" until the fullness of the gentiles has come - that these are all His doing, even if they are to our own shame?

Have you not been counseled to love, rather than hate? Indeed, you have.

 

[BreadOfLife]

This is not a Protestant or Catholic issue. It is a "body of many members" issue, and therefore wrong to take such a self-damning position. We are the members of one body, and "God has set the members, each one of them, in the body just as He pleased."

Have you no knowledge of God's own "confusion" placed upon all language, or His sending "strong delusion", or His sending a spirit of "slumber" until the fullness of the gentiles has come - that these are all His doing, even if they are to our own shame?

Have you not been counseled to love, rather than hate? Indeed, you have.

No - you are a member of a group that is only one out of tens of thousands of perpetually-splintering groups.

ALL of these groups - and their residual "Lone Ranger" believers got their set of beliefs and doctrines from a personal interpretation of the Scriptures. EACH founder of these groups then interpreted the Scriptures differently.

HOW can you say that this is "one" Body??
This is nothing but man's confusion based on 50,000 or so different interpretations of Scripture.

Christ has ONE Body - not tens of thousands of bickering bodies . . .

 

[bbyrd009]

so then Paul is DQed as a follower of Christ, too, since he purposely avoided the other Apostles for three years

 

[ScottA]

No - you are a member of a group that is only one out of tens of thousands of perpetually-splintering groups.

ALL of these groups - and their residual "Lone Ranger" believers got their set of beliefs and doctrines from a personal interpretation of the Scriptures. EACH founder of these groups then interpreted the Scriptures differently.

HOW can you say that this is "one" Body??
This is nothing but man's confusion based on 50,000 or so different interpretations of Scripture.

Christ has ONE Body - not tens of thousands of bickering bodies . . .

I am not a member of any group. Stop speaking as if you know me.

Why do you ask and then answer your own question, after I have already given you the answer?

Do you want the truth, or not?

 

[BreadOfLife]

so then Paul is DQed as a follower of Christ, too, since he purposely avoided the other Apostles for three years

No - Paul went to the Apostles for authoritative decisions. Have you not read Acts 15?
Paul was in communion with the rest of the Apostles.

In case you forgot - they were ALL dispersed to different regions spreading the Gospel.

 

[BreadOfLife]

I am not a member of any group. Stop speaking as if you know me.

Why do you ask and then answer your own question, after I have already given you the answer?

Do you want the truth, or not?

If you're not part of ANY body, that would make you a Lone Ranger Christian, which is condemned in Scripture (1 Cor. 12, Heb. 10:25).
So, my question stands: HOW can you say that all of these divided sects and Lone Rangers are "one" Body??

 

[bbyrd009]

Why do you ask and then answer your own question, after I have already given you the answer?

don't we even have a trope for this, answering yourself?

 

[bbyrd009]

No - Paul went to the Apostles for authoritative decisions. Have you not read Acts 15?

ya, and there's nothing in there about Paul acknowledging any earthly authority higher than himself that i recall. Wanna post the relevant v?

 

[bbyrd009]

Paul was in communion with the rest of the Apostles.

or possibly the rest of the Apostles were just in communion with Paul, yes. Now, about this ritual of Communion that you have now...

 

[bbyrd009]

which is condemned in Scripture (1 Cor. 12, Heb. 10:25).

those were never even believers; we are commanded to seek our own salvation.