Why water into wine?

[BreadOfLife]

Nobody is fooled by this troll any longer. He is like an insult machine. It's like Don Rickles and Triumph the insult dog had pups....
It's only funny cause it's true

Actually - NONE of this is funny.

The heresy, lies, disunity and disobedience to Christ that people like YOU and pia and mjrhealth and ScottA and Stranger exhibit is not only tragic - it's frightening.

 

[bbyrd009]

Actually - NONE of this is funny.

The heresy, lies, disunity and disobedience to Christ that people like YOU and pia and mjrhealth and ScottA and Stranger exhibit is not only tragic - it's frightening.

sad to me that they even engage with you, who is so obviously broken. Don't you think 13 years of blindness is enough, BoL? You certainly aren't doing your religion any favors.

and openly calling others a piece of s**t? I mean whose relative of the board owner are you anyway lol, anyone else would have been banned long time ago.

 

[BreadOfLife]

sad to me that they even engage with you, who is so obviously broken. Don't you think 13 years of blindness is enough, BoL? You certainly aren't doing your religion any favors.

and openly calling others a piece of s**t? I mean whose relative of the board owner are you anyway lol, anyone else would have been banned long time ago.

When have I ever called anybody a "piece of s**t"??
You chide me for pointing out the blatant lies of others - by telling yet another lie.

What utter hypocrisy . . .

 

[pia]

And I have stated that I will answer anything you ask.
Your refusal to present these "previously asked" questions speaks VOLUMES about dishonesty . . .

Here you go BOL, found it, copied and pasted it an a matter of 20 seconds or so, I had thought you were so much more experienced than I here on the forum, and had not thought it THAT difficult for you to find.So are you NOW going to reply to my questions??????? If you do, with PROPER replies, and not just spewing rubbish at me, I will do likewise to your questions, which you asked me AFTER I sent you the following post, I will do likewise for you....... Everything below this line is from the original post to you.

I have been unable to find any scriptures to substantiate, that Jesus sent anyone forth with the directive to " Go, expose all who according to you is lying, and straighten them out for Me."
One other thing, and this is of actual concern to me......How ARE you going to justify all the terrible things that have come out of your 'mouth' / 'hands' , toward the Lords children? When He asks you :" Have you loved My lambs? Have you loved My sheep"? What ARE you going to say back to Him ?
When you accuse someone, who has the Lord in them and them in the Lord, when you call them asinine ( as just one little example of the horrid things coming from you ) don't you understand that you are also calling the Lord asinine ? Being ONE with the Lord is something not many take seriously at all, thus they just spill over at the mouth and bring accusation after accusation toward The Lords children......THUS standing in the SAME place as THE ACCUSER.....Is that really where you want to find yourself one day? NOT on the side of our Advocate, but rather on the side of His enemy and ours?
Is there not one iota in you, which can take even one minute to at least weigh up what is being shared with you? Or are you on some sort of 'auto-pilot' ? Many of us, do not necessarily agree 100% on all things, but we don't start throwing filth at one another. I can't help wondering what it is in you, which makes you do so ALL the time? This time don't bother having a go at me for posting here, as you have jumped in on my posts a couple of times too.
Just because we come from different directions in our walk with Him, doesn't mean I don't care about you, as a human being...... Can you say the same? Pia

 

[epostle1]

No rewording here - all original. I am surprised that you can recognize ad hominem, Kepha - you've seem to have overlooked it in every single post by BoL.

Your mutual hostilities are counter-productive to the intent of Catholics in a synergistic forum, which sends a wrong message to the readers. BoL has been around long enough to know the consequences of ad hominem attacks. You need to read his posts more carefully. Sure, he is aggressive, but we all have our own style.

He has a "0" tolerance for lies, bigotry, hate, misrepresentations, and invincible ignorance. It's ok for stupid, psychotic, idiotic funnymentalist morons to throw mindless insults at us, but if anti-Catholic bigots get exposed, they cry like babies. They are too ignorant and brainwashed to realize they are committing sins. In our theology, it's not sins under those circumstances, but they need to be taught that what they are doing is not of God. Their learning mechanism has been compromised so it is a challenge. No, I don't agree with every one of BoL posts, but I find him entertaining. And I don't agree with you adding wood to the stake fires by promoting Scandal #2

The reason I remember is you promoting Scandal 2 was worse than the anti-Catholics in here. It was disturbing for me to say the least.

Both of you smarten up.

 

[mjrhealth]

YOU and your anti-Catholic cronies here to LIE.

Still no anti catholics to be found, just anti catholism and anti , anti Christ. For us it is the religion, the doctrines but you keep making it about teh people, playing the " racism" card to try gain sympathy for your agenda. You wont find one here who hates catholics, they are people too, but therer are some here who have an agenda to steal Gods people from Him as If God needs religion to save anyone. Is man greater than God, may seem to think So.

 

[aspen]

Your mutual hostilities are counter-productive to the intent of Catholics in a synergistic forum, which sends a wrong message to the readers. BoL has been around long enough to know the consequences of ad hominem attacks. You need to read his posts more carefully. Sure, he is aggressive, but we all have our own style.

He has a "0" tolerance for lies, bigotry, hate, misrepresentations, and invincible ignorance. It's ok for stupid, psychotic, idiotic funnymentalist morons to throw mindless insults at us, but if anti-Catholic bigots get exposed, they cry like babies. They are too ignorant and brainwashed to realize they are committing sins. In our theology, it's not sins under those circumstances, but they need to be taught that what they are doing is not of God. Their learning mechanism has been compromised so it is a challenge. No, I don't agree with every one of BoL posts, but I find him entertaining. And I don't agree with you adding wood to the stake fires by promoting Scandal #2

The reason I remember is you promoting Scandal 2 was worse than the anti-Catholics in here. It was disturbing for me to say the least.

Both of you smarten up.

There is no defense or excuse for BoLs behavior - his mocking and scoffing are condemned throughout the Old and New Testament and his blanket accusations of lying are inaccurate and inexcusable. The fact that you find him to be entertaining is troubling and leads me to wonder why the 'wood' I am supposedly adding to the fire isn't twice as entertaining to you.....

Further turning people against the Catholic Church by adding justifiable contempt towards persons with the same spirit as BoL, prophets of mockery, is bearing false witness against the truth taught by Christ. The misplacement of importance on doctrine at the expense of people, sparked Christ to turn over tables in the Temple and should spark faithful Christians to point it out when they see the same behavior today.

When I followed your 'scandal 2' link, I got some movie review from Bill Donahue, whose victim-mentality is repugnant btw. Did you mean my posting of recent sex abuse cases in the Catholic Church? Indeed, there is sex abuse still occurring within the Catholic Church and pretending that it all happened 50 years or more ago, and is now, totally absent is more cover up. As a faithful Catholic, I am committed to continuing to speak out against abuse. It is our responsibility to be vigilant against it.

Promoting sex abuse cases? Pointing out evil is not promoting it.

I do not believe celibacy is the cause of sex abuse among priests, but I would like to see diocesan priests have the option of marrying. Required celibacy is an outdated tradition and it's only current purpose appears to be as a dodge for refusing to address homosexuality within the priesthood.

Being Roman Catholic, as opposed to simply being a Christian, requires us to be open to all the teachings of the Church; only receiving the Eucharist if you are free from mortal sin and recognize the Real Presence; and engaging in the Sacraments. I do. Mocking and Scoffing and false accusations and leveling and all the other garbage spewed out from the usual suspects may clang and gong in my ear, but it is meaningless as an assessment of my faithfulness to Christ or my Church.

Whether you are engaged in seeing an antiCatholic behind every bush or crying antiCatholic like the boy who cried wolf; the very stance is the willfill acceptance of victimhood.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Here you go BOL, found it, copied and pasted it an a matter of 20 seconds or so, I had thought you were so much more experienced than I here on the forum, and had not thought it THAT difficult for you to find.So are you NOW going to reply to my questions??????? If you do, with PROPER replies, and not just spewing rubbish at me, I will do likewise to your questions, which you asked me AFTER I sent you the following post, I will do likewise for you....... Everything below this line is from the original post to you.

I have been unable to find any scriptures to substantiate, that Jesus sent anyone forth with the directive to " Go, expose all who according to you is lying, and straighten them out for Me."
One other thing, and this is of actual concern to me......How ARE you going to justify all the terrible things that have come out of your 'mouth' / 'hands' , toward the Lords children? When He asks you :" Have you loved My lambs? Have you loved My sheep"? What ARE you going to say back to Him ?

Easy:
I will say that when they spewed hateful lies and abominable falsehoods about the Body of Christ - I held them accountable as prescribed by Scripture, but they refused to stop lying.

When you accuse someone, who has the Lord in them and them in the Lord, when you call them asinine ( as just one little example of the horrid things coming from you ) don't you understand that you are also calling the Lord asinine ? Being ONE with the Lord is something not many take seriously at all, thus they just spill over at the mouth and bring accusation after accusation toward The Lords children......THUS standing in the SAME place as THE ACCUSER.....Is that really where you want to find yourself one day? NOT on the side of our Advocate, but rather on the side of His enemy and ours?

Easy:
Anybody who truly has the Lord in them won't hurl false accusations and filthy lies.
It's obvious that the Lord is NOT in these people.

Is there not one iota in you, which can take even one minute to at least weigh up what is being shared with you? Or are you on some sort of 'auto-pilot' ? Many of us, do not necessarily agree 100% on all things, but we don't start throwing filth at one another. I can't help wondering what it is in you, which makes you do so ALL the time? This time don't bother having a go at me for posting here, as you have jumped in on my posts a couple of times too.
Just because we come from different directions in our walk with Him, doesn't mean I don't care about you, as a human being...... Can you say the same? Pia

You DON'T throw filth at one another??
What do you call all of the LIES that have been said about Catholic teachings around here?? It's nothing BUT filth.

Look - the bottom line here is that if you disagree with - or even HATE the Catholic Church as most of you do - at least be honest about it. There is NO need to invent lies, myths and fairy tales about your hatred for the Church. Just do your homework and state WHY you hate the Church - but leave your filthy lies at the door.

 

[BreadOfLife]

There is no defense or excuse for BoLs behavior - his mocking and scoffing are condemned throughout the Old and New Testament and his blanket accusations of lying are inaccurate and inexcusable. The fact that you find him to be entertaining is troubling and leads me to wonder why the 'wood' I am supposedly adding to the fire isn't twice as entertaining to you.....

Further turning people against the Catholic Church by adding justifiable contempt towards persons with the same spirit as BoL, prophets of mockery, is bearing false witness against the truth taught by Christ. The misplacement of importance on doctrine at the expense of people, sparked Christ to turn over tables in the Temple and should spark faithful Christians to point it out when they see the same behavior today.

When I followed your 'scandal 2' link, I got some movie review from Bill Donahue, whose victim-mentality is repugnant btw. Did you mean my posting of recent sex abuse cases in the Catholic Church? Indeed, there is sex abuse still occurring within the Catholic Church and pretending that it all happened 50 years or more ago, and is now, totally absent is more cover up. As a faithful Catholic, I am committed to continuing to speak out against abuse. It is our responsibility to be vigilant against it.

Promoting sex abuse cases? Pointing out evil is not promoting it.

I do not believe celibacy is the cause of sex abuse among priests, but I would like to see diocesan priests have the option of marrying. Required celibacy is an outdated tradition and it's only current purpose appears to be as a dodge for refusing to address homosexuality within the priesthood.

Being Roman Catholic, as opposed to simply being a Christian, requires us to be open to all the teachings of the Church; only receiving the Eucharist if you are free from mortal sin and recognize the Real Presence; and engaging in the Sacraments. I do. Mocking and Scoffing and false accusations and leveling and all the other garbage spewed out from the usual suspects may clang and gong in my ear, but it is meaningless as an assessment of my faithfulness to Christ or my Church.

Whether you are engaged in seeing an antiCatholic behind every bush or crying antiCatholic like the boy who cried wolf; the very stance is the willfill acceptance of victimhood.

And the simple reason you hate me is because I don't let you get away with your half-truths, falsehoods and outright lies.
You don't like being exposed because you want people to think that you're a pious Catholic.

You don't like being humiliated? Fine. Then start doing your homework before you write some of the abominable things you do about the Church - and try being honest for a change. You can write anything you want about your objections and hatred for the Church - but be HONEST and do some actual research instead of posting the nonsense that you do.

You pretend to be a "faithful" Catholic yet you know next to nothing about the faith - which I have proven repeatedly.
You fancy yourself as having "faith" because you attend mass more often than many - while you also regularly attend Protestant services to feel more "fulfilled". As I stated before - you can go to mass 10 times a day and it STILL won't make you faithful. What makes us faithful is our obedience and submission. Simply saying you're a "faithful" Catholic doesn't make you one.

You wouldn't feel the need to go elsewhere to be fed if you truly know your alleged Catholic faith . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Still no anti catholics to be found, just anti catholism and anti , anti Christ. For us it is the religion, the doctrines but you keep making it about teh people, playing the " racism" card to try gain sympathy for your agenda. You wont find one here who hates catholics, they are people too, but therer are some here who have an agenda to steal Gods people from Him as If God needs religion to save anyone. Is man greater than God, may seem to think So.

No - YOU'VE made it clear that you have contempt for the Word of God by stating openly that you don't put much stock in Scripture. That's fine with me because you don't have to answer to ME. However - God won't be as merciful as I am when you tell HIM that His word was a crock . . .

 

[aspen]

And the simple reason you hate me is because I don't let you get away with your half-truths, falsehoods and outright lies.
You don't like being exposed because you want people to think that you're a pious Catholic.

You don't like being humiliated? Fine. Then start doing your homework before you write some of the abominable things you do about the Church - and try being honest for a change. You can write anything you want about your objections and hatred for the Church - but be HONEST and do some actual research instead of posting the nonsense that you do.

You pretend to be a "faithful" Catholic yet you know next to nothing about the faith - which I have proven repeatedly.
You fancy yourself as having "faith" because you attend mass more often than many - while you also regularly attend Protestant services to feel more "fulfilled". As I stated before - you can go to mass 10 times a day and it STILL won't make you faithful. What makes us faithful is our obedience and submission. Simply saying you're a "faithful" Catholic doesn't make you one.

You wouldn't feel the need to go elsewhere to be fed if you truly know your alleged Catholic faith . . .

1. I hate your witness. You witness arrogance and spite, not love.

2. You challenged my faithfulness to the Catholic Church and I responded; predictably, you only did so, in order to use my words against me. I am a faithful Catholic, not a better Catholic.

3. I have written close to 10,000 posts on this board, BoL - if you think it is your job to expose me, you have not bothered to read my posts and you have an even higher opinion of yourself than you have let on...

4. The way to avoid being humiliated is to not over-identitify with your opinions/false self. It has nothing to with doing homework. True Self deals in the spirit of the law, not in using externalized doctrine to pantse people with.

5. Once again, if you want to claim authority with your words, stop acting like a troll; over-identifying with your opinions; refusing to back up your words with the Catechism; and either, produce proof of ordination as a priest in the Catholic Church, or go get your diaper changed. Stop acting like you have spiritual authority over the Christians in this community.

6. I see you still have nothing besides your contempt to show that attending Protestant services is condemned according to Catholic teachings......there is definitely a disconnect with you - a hole in the bucket. Or as you would label it, a LIE!!!!!

Lol

 

[amadeus]

Hello @BreadOfLife

It would seem that you pretty much stand alone here. That's OK because we know that especially toward the end of His earthly ministry Jesus was nearly, if not completely, alone. Thousands had heard Him gladly and had eaten of the bounty in both spiritual and natural abundance He provided, but He was the One that most everyone here knows as Jesus, the very Word of God made flesh...

"From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?" John 6:66-67

But, while Jesus stood without compromise ready to stand alone, we see this response to His words:

"Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life." John 6:68

He did, as most on this forum would agree, have the words of eternal life. He defended no existing religious group or church or sect, but God.

Jesus had a purpose, as again most here would agree, although there likely be a bit of disagreement on exactly what that purpose was.

And you, my friend, do you have a purpose? To make clear what the Roman Catholic Church is saying, or is supposed to be saying so people know?
Is that really a good purpose for you? Would you say that God called you for that purpose? Do you believe that you accomplishing that purpose?

One thing I would suggest is that when you use Roman Catholic expressions, you explain the meaning of those expressions for non-Catholics so that you are better understood. For example I have seen you use the expression, heresy. Your usage differs from my own when I use it [which really I know is seldom] and probably is different than what is shown by scripture [although I could be wrong on this last part]. You want people to understand better. So be it, then define your terms a little better so that they can. Most of them were not born in the Catholic Church and even those who were may not have known so well some of the things that you know.

I'm not here to support you or to attack you, simply rather I guess to allow you to make yourself clear to those who have not been around very long or even are completely new to this forum.

 

[epostle1]

I'm sending a report to the mods recommending closure of this thread.

 

[mjrhealth]

No - YOU'VE made it clear that you have contempt for the Word of God by stating openly that you don't put much stock in Scripture. That's fine with me because you don't have to answer to ME. However - God won't be as merciful as I am when you tell HIM that His word was a crock . . .

Not His word just teh bible that man has so corrupted. I do hope you have a nice day, come here to spread a bit of life in all we get from you is death.

 

[bbyrd009]

That's OK because we know that especially toward the end of His earthly ministry Jesus was nearly, if not completely, alone.

yes

 

[Jun2u]

Hello @BreadOfLife

It would seem that you pretty much stand alone here. That's OK because we know that especially toward the end of His earthly ministry Jesus was nearly, if not completely, alone. Thousands had heard Him gladly and had eaten of the bounty in both spiritual and natural abundance He provided, but He was the One that most everyone here knows as Jesus, the very Word of God made flesh...

"From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?" John 6:66-67

But, while Jesus stood without compromise ready to stand alone, we see this response to His words:

"Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life." John 6:68

He did, as most on this forum would agree, have the words of eternal life. He defended no existing religious group or church or sect, but God.

Jesus had a purpose, as again most here would agree, although there likely be a bit of disagreement on exactly what that purpose was.

And you, my friend, do you have a purpose? To make clear what the Roman Catholic Church is saying, or is supposed to be saying so people know?
Is that really a good purpose for you? Would you say that God called you for that purpose? Do you believe that you accomplishing that purpose?

One thing I would suggest is that when you use Roman Catholic expressions, you explain the meaning of those expressions for non-Catholics so that you are better understood. For example I have seen you use the expression, heresy. Your usage differs from my own when I use it [which really I know is seldom] and probably is different than what is shown by scripture [although I could be wrong on this last part]. You want people to understand better. So be it, then define your terms a little better so that they can. Most of them were not born in the Catholic Church and even those who were may not have known so well some of the things that you know.

I'm not here to support you or to attack you, simply rather I guess to allow you to make yourself clear to those who have not been around very long or even are completely new to this forum.

As I've said in the past, and I repeat again, you do make a good politician. You aim to please everyone!

But what will you do with Scriptures like:

"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world."

OR

"Not everyone that sayeth unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? And in thy name have cast out devils? And in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

The Catholic Church performs exorcism, don't they? They believe in miracles, don't they? They prophesy their false gospel to the world, don't they?

If you want to stay neutral, so be it. Just one caution, read Matthew 13:12.

To God Be The Glory

 

[aspen]

yes

Yes, Jesus was completely alone, but not due to contempt for people - he loved everyone, even those who mischaracterized him.

Just imagine if Jesus spoke to people like this:

Really - you can't be this dense

Or

There you go again, quoting Scripture and not having the slightest CLUE as to what it means.

Or

I never get angry here because you're a cliche - just another bitter, ignorant anti-Catholic who doesn't do his homework . . .

If lucky he would have been ignored, until he shouted down the wrong person; then he would have been killed on the spot without trial or fanfare - Roman Providences were brutal places to live

 

[aspen]

As I've said in the past, and I repeat again, you do make a good politician. You aim to please everyone!

But what will you do with Scriptures like:

"Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world."

OR

"Not everyone that sayeth unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? And in thy name have cast out devils? And in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."

The Catholic Church performs exorcism, don't they? They believe in miracles, don't they? They prophesy their false gospel to the world, don't they?

If you want to stay neutral, so be it. Just one caution, read Matthew 13:12.

To God Be The Glory

Don't you see? Mocking and Scoffing ARE a different gospel! Love of God and Neighbor is the True Gospel. You are mistaking Doctrine for Gospel

 

[pia]

I held them accountable as prescribed by Scripture, but they refused to stop lying.

YOU are going to hold people accountable???????? Who on earth do you think you are Sir ??????
You know, I have had enough of you twisting each and every word I have written to you and to others, where you've jumped in to spew more venom at it.
I LOVE any and every single solitary human being, who believes in Jesus and through Him, God our precious Father.....I couldn't care less what denomination they attach themselves to, Catholic, Protestant, Mormon, Jehova's Witnesses, 7th Day Adventist, I could keep going for an hour, listing more.
What I cannot abide, is what men, through the past two millennia, have done to the original commandment of Christ's, and the ruler ship they have appointed unto men, throughout various institutions, which they all call 'churches', and each and every denomination, will try to convince you, that they are the ONLY ones, who have the real truth, while all reading the ( almost identical ) Bibles, but all getting different understandings out of it, which is why it is certainly not correct to call the Bible, THE Word of God, as we know from it that 'God is NOT the author of confusion'............I personally LOVE the Bible, but I certainly need Him and The Holy Spirit to get to KNOW, what it says....The more He shows me, the more I KNOW that I don't know...He is beyond fully KNOWING, He is too much, too 'large'......Far too large to be confined to a few hundred pages in a book.......The Bible itself states that :" The Word of God is ALIVE and powerful"........A book can never be 'alive', but He can bring to 'LIFE" what the words are telling us, but as sure as He is God, He is NOT nor EVER will be restricted to, what we think or what any amount of books have to say ABOUT Him.
He is offering what He lost with Adam, actual fellowship, actual relationship.....But as He is quoted as saying:" 'Narrow is the path and few it is who find it'........The path to Him, to LIFE in Him, to relationship with Him..
The choice is entirely ours.....anyone who believes in Him and is content to know Him only through the Bible and through going to various churches, as far as I'm aware are fine....They believe in Him........But getting to KNOW Him, that is a step further, who not everyone is willing to take, nor do some even believe it possible.
As He is also quoted as saying :" You cannot serve two masters." So all I have been pointing out in all my posts, is that I prefer to follow after and cling to Him, the actual resurrected being called Jesus the Christ.... Becoming ONE with Him, and not one with any of the institutions or their self appointed leaders and rulers.
So for the last time Sir.....I am not, nor have I ever been anti the catholic people..........just anti religion of doctrines of men, whether from the catholic writings, the protestant writings, the Mormon writings and so on.........Can you comprehend what I am and have been saying to you sir?
Also, can you find a single solitary scripture to refute what I have shared, that the real Jesus taught me, long before laying eyes on a Bible?.......As I have said before, if anyone can do that ! Then I guess I will have to have a serious look at it all, but so far in the past 33 years none have been able, even the Mormons, who have come and visited with me, which gob smacks them, and by the third visit, they're not allowed to visit anymore, because they believe that only their one single man, called their Prophet, can receive revelation from above, so it confuses them, when an insignificant person like me, can also hear from above, and I'm guessing THAT is what you are having such a hard time dealing with also, you have no idea how to respond to it, so you just go on and on like a broken record, saying the same things over an over, they won't become true no matter how many times you write them.
I will get your other post out later on and try to reply to your questions, even though you really didn't answer mine, again you just spewed filth at it.... That is if you still want me to?

 

[aspen]

This is the PERFECT Scripture verse for the "Generals" over at your online cult, aggressivechristianity.net . . .

Wow.....this looks like a case of BoL spirit, just with distorted doctrine.....