Sola Scriptura - does this foundation make you a heretic

[mjrhealth]

Why?
If God tells everybody the same truth?

Are we not talking about the bible here, whats that got to do with the Holy Spirit??

 

[GodsGrace]

ha ya, that one. And of course we all do this i guess. Well, the "let's make a doctrine" crowd just have a better idea, see; "it's easier to strong-arm a doctrine in that fits our purposes, that way we don't have to apologize at all."

A doctrine is just what a church believes.
It's good to know what a church believes before you spend years there and then find out during a sermon one day that something horrible was just pronounced !!

Better to know ahead of time...

 

[mjrhealth]

You asked a question, I answered. I simply reject the Jesus you proclaim. You've made it clear who your Jesus is. I will not respond to your posts any longer if you would like that.

And it bothers me why??? There is only one Jesus, Hes not mine He belongs to everyone, some just dont want Him for some very strange reason..

 

[GodsGrace]

but isn't that why we have apologetics?

Oh.
You're on a roll this evening I see.
LOL

 

[GodsGrace]

for that i would direct you to this Logical and Dialectical Reasoning in Scripture
and i also ran across this on-site, Search Results | Christian Forums @ Christianity Board

which should prolly also be considered, as the only thing separating the two concepts is intent, near as i can tell.

the condensed version is that the authors of Scripture thought and wrote like Easterners, and we read like Westerners, essentially, and this is argument is taken up by Scripture at many points, using different terms though. "See and not see," etc

bb
You're going to have to get used to Rollo.
He's just like that.
He knows about the scriptural "dialect".
Don't let him pull your leg --- it's his fun thing to do.
But don't let him know I told you this.
It'll ruin all his fun.

 

[GodsGrace]

Are we not talking about the bible here, whats that got to do with the Holy Spirit??

Je ne sais pas.

I thought GOD inspired the bible.
I thought GOD had the Holy Spirit.

What do I know??

 

[GodsGrace]

I know my Latin, don't I?
"Pater Noster, que es in chelise".....

Yes dear.
You know your latin.
How's your Italian going??

 

[mjrhealth]

BTW,
Tell me one or two places where God disagrees with the bible.

Mar 8:32 And he spake that saying openly. And Peter took him, and began to rebuke him.
Mar 8:33 But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men.

Well looky here we have satan speaking in GODS word and being rebuked by Jesus, Are God and satan one and teh same,??

And again

Mat 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
Mat 4:9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

Again we have stan speaking, does God agree with sata, are God and satan one and teh same????

1Co 7:12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.

and here we have someones "opinon" not Gods

now go and read teh accounts of His resurrection.

Is God a fool, is God teh author of confusion,is God a liar, or a deceiver, is God teh devil?? Because if He is than yes you can say teh bible is Gods word, if not than teh best you can hope for is that the bible has "some" of what God has to say to man. But you too have not answered my Question, if God disagrees with teh bible , who is wrong, God or the bible ???

 

[bbyrd009]

but isn't that why we have apologetics?

well, personally i put apologetics right above pornography, which is right above eschatology, to me. I have no interest, whatsoever, in trying to convince unbelievers of God's existence though. Many people find that fulfilling, however. So i guess this pursuit that i find unscriptural and pointless prolly serves God in some way that i am just not aware of.

fwiw it seems to me that Christ practiced the opposite of apologetics, advising ppl to "count the cost" if they seemed at all serious about following Him, and this is what i do, or try to do. It has the most unusual effect of drawing more people in, for whatever reason. I get asked like 5 times a week lately if i am "a Christian, or something?" lol. Which, not meaning to blow my own horn here, i only admit that here because you guys are aware of what a blackheart i really am, but the point is that that is "anti-apologetics."

Apologetics i save for discussions about the USA lol, and they don't work so hot there, either.

Apologetics is for people on the defensive, or at least put on the defensive by the question that is answered using apologetics.

now having said all that, of course i use apologetics all the time, to my later shame generally, and i am really just a hypocrite anyway.

 

[amadeus]

Romans 10
17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Good quote!

 

[bbyrd009]

But you too have not answered my Question, if God disagrees with teh bible , who is wrong, God or the bible ???

you, and neither of them wadr. The Book is God~Breathed, and truth is a moving target, regardless of all of our stated desires for truth.

You cannot quote God disagreeing with the original Rhema, and you are just abusing a device to make yourself right because you know that a negative cannot be proven, therefore you must be correct, right.

 

[mjrhealth]

I thought GOD inspired the bible.
I thought GOD had the Holy Spirit.

The bible does not say that, it says He inspired teh scriptures, teh OT, so which part is scripture and which part is mens opinions. The bible is written of mens eye witness accounts, a good many years after the fact, when 2 different accounts disagree in a court of law the evidence cannot be used it is unreliable, is God unreliable.. The "canon" was put together by the RCC who had an ulterior motive, even KJ teh one I use, He himself determined how some things where translated because HE too has an ulterior motive, there fore even His version is unreliable, than we have the "copyright issue" can you copyright Gods word, of course not how foolish do you think God is.

Now go look up the word " church" and see how it was mistranslated by men, who had good reason too, Suddenly that building full of people with its religious hierarchy looks quiet foolish.

 

[mjrhealth]

you, and neither of them wadr. The Book is God~Breathed, and truth is a moving target, regardless of all of our stated desires for truth.

You cannot quote God disagreeing with the original Rhema, and you are just abusing a device to make yourself right because you know that a negative cannot be proven, therefore you must be correct, right.

Me i am never right God is right Jesus is right teh Holy Spirit its right, if you want teh truth and desire it , than it can only come from teh one who is teh truth, Jesus Christ, He is not a moving target. They couldnt fit all Jesus did and said in the bible, how on earth do you think you can fit all of Gods wisdom and knowledge in it. Do you really think you can figure God out from reading a book??

 

[GodsGrace]

Mar 8:32 And he spake that saying openly. And Peter took him, and began to rebuke him.
Mar 8:33 But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men.

Well looky here we have satan speaking in GODS word and being rebuked by Jesus, Are God and satan one and teh same,??

And again

Mat 4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
Mat 4:9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.

Again we have stan speaking, does God agree with sata, are God and satan one and teh same????

1Co 7:12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.

and here we have someones "opinon" not Gods

now go and read teh accounts of His resurrection.

Is God a fool, is God teh author of confusion,is God a liar, or a deceiver, is God teh devil?? Because if He is than yes you can say teh bible is Gods word, if not than teh best you can hope for is that the bible has "some" of what God has to say to man. But you too have not answered my Question, if God disagrees with teh bible , who is wrong, God or the bible ???

Too tired for this.
I mean, do you REALLY think satan was IN Peter?
Or do you suppose he was influencing Peter?

Who's right God or the bible?

GOD IS RIGHT.
You could sleep well now.

But really, it's the same thing.
And why should a man put his wife away?
God is right. He should keep her.

 

[GodsGrace]

The bible does not say that, it says He inspired teh scriptures, teh OT, so which part is scripture and which part is mens opinions. The bible is written of mens eye witness accounts, a good many years after the fact, when 2 different accounts disagree in a court of law the evidence cannot be used it is unreliable, is God unreliable.. The "canon" was put together by the RCC who had an ulterior motive, even KJ teh one I use, He himself determined how some things where translated because HE too has an ulterior motive, there fore even His version is unreliable, than we have the "copyright issue" can you copyright Gods word, of course not how foolish do you think God is.

Now go look up the word " church" and see how it was mistranslated by men, who had good reason too, Suddenly that building full of people with its religious hierarchy looks quiet foolish.

You're giving me too much homework.
It's late here.
church, eklesia
to be called out
the people of God
The Body of Christ

what esle?
Not now.

 

[GodsGrace]

The bible does not say that, it says He inspired teh scriptures, teh OT, so which part is scripture and which part is mens opinions. The bible is written of mens eye witness accounts, a good many years after the fact, when 2 different accounts disagree in a court of law the evidence cannot be used it is unreliable, is God unreliable.. The "canon" was put together by the RCC who had an ulterior motive, even KJ teh one I use, He himself determined how some things where translated because HE too has an ulterior motive, there fore even His version is unreliable, than we have the "copyright issue" can you copyright Gods word, of course not how foolish do you think God is.

Now go look up the word " church" and see how it was mistranslated by men, who had good reason too, Suddenly that building full of people with its religious hierarchy looks quiet foolish.

Oh.
WAIT.

I do agree with you that some of those there 613 rules and regulations were NOT from God.

Uh oh.

 

[GodsGrace]

well, personally i put apologetics right above pornography, which is right above eschatology, to me. I have no interest, whatsoever, in trying to convince unbelievers of God's existence though. Many people find that fulfilling, however. So i guess this pursuit that i find unscriptural and pointless prolly serves God in some way that i am just not aware of.

fwiw it seems to me that Christ practiced the opposite of apologetics, advising ppl to "count the cost" if they seemed at all serious about following Him, and this is what i do, or try to do. It has the most unusual effect of drawing more people in, for whatever reason. I get asked like 5 times a week lately if i am "a Christian, or something?" lol. Which, not meaning to blow my own horn here, i only admit that here because you guys are aware of what a blackheart i really am, but the point is that that is "anti-apologetics."

Apologetics i save for discussions about the USA lol, and they don't work so hot there, either.

Apologetics is for people on the defensive, or at least put on the defensive by the question that is answered using apologetics.

now having said all that, of course i use apologetics all the time, to my later shame generally, and i am really just a hypocrite anyway.

He talks!
So it's apologetics, pornography, echatology.
Got it.
JK.

Some of us, including me, believe Jesus wants us to witness.
Mathew 28:19
Do you think He meant it only for the Apostles? Maybe.
But we're called to add to the Kingdom.
Isn't it good to save people's souls?

 

[bbyrd009]

WOW!
Such insight!
You're a genius!

hmm, well, i didn't write any of that, and fwiw "genius" is not near what it's cracked up to be lol. It is mostly a hindrance tbh

 

[bbyrd009]

Oh.
WAIT.

I do agree with you that some of those there 613 rules and regulations were NOT from God.

Uh oh.

ya, well, none of those are in the Bible either, so...

 

[bbyrd009]

Some of us, including me, believe Jesus wants us to witness.

me too, but you mean "proselytize," which i do not believe was ever intended

one witnesses by manifesting Christ now, denying themselves in Living Sacrifice as an example, not by making a logically compelling argument for God, iow