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Part III

Sanctification is the normal state of the Christian. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are jointly interested in us, that we attain unto this grace. Our unity with the Godhead is incomplete without it, so also is our unity with each other; “For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren.”* (Hebrews 2:11) A heart washed and made pure by the blood of Christ and filled with the Holy Spirit will always be in perfect fellowship with divinity, and also with all other hearts of like experience. The unsanctified heart of the believer cannot be fully satisfied, because of the consciousness of the presence of the carnal nature, more scripturally called “our old man.”* (Romans 6:6) Just what it is may not perhaps be perfectly understood by the new convert, but that something abnormal exists will soon be discovered, and there will be a longing in the heart for an inward cleansing—a normal desire for the normal experience. On the other hand, when this blessed experience is attained, there comes with it the consciousness of inward purity which fully satisfies the heart, and it can sing with the spirit and with the understanding,

“Hallelujah for the cleansing;
It has reached my inmost soul.”

For this purpose Christ gave Himself for the church—“That he might sanctify and cleanse it.”* (Ephesians 5:26) God gave Him to the world that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have everlasting life, for our justification; but Christ gave Himself for the church, for our sanctification.

The gospel commission of the apostle Paul specifies clearly the doctrine of sanctification, the “inheritance among them which are sanctified.”* (Acts 26:18) He could not have been faithful to this commission without leading souls from “forgiveness of sins” into this “inheritance.” His ministry and epistles to the different churches prove his faithfulness. Upon his first acquaintance with the brethren at Ephesus be asked them the question, “Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed?”* (Acts 19:2) And after three years of faithful ministry in that city, upon the solemn event of his departure from them, among his last words he reminds the church of the “inheritance among all them which are sanctified.”* (Acts 20:32) Then about four years later, while a prisoner at Rome, he writes back to them his epistle to the Ephesians, which in every chapter sparkles with beautiful gems of thought upon the subject of sanctification. In his letter to the church of Rome we are forcibly reminded that this doctrine was prominent in his teaching, employing such terms as, “this grace wherein we stand,”* (Romans 5:2) “our old man is crucified… that the body of sin might be destroyed,”* (Romans 6:6) “dead indeed unto sin,”* (Romans 6:11) “free from sin,”* (Romans 6:18) “married to… him who is raised from the dead,”* (Romans 7:4) “present your bodies a living sacrifice,”* (Romans 12:1) “being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.”* (Romans 15:16) These terms and others signify the precious experiences of sanctification.

In the first and second epistles to the Corinthians we also notice the mention of this experience, and that there were some saints at Corinth that were sanctified (1 Corinthians 1:2,30), although some were not, and were told that they were yet carnal. There were evidently only the two classes—sanctified and justified, in the church there, the same as is usually the case everywhere today. In speaking of the congregation, he says “But ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of God.”* (1 Corinthians 6:11) In the second epistle, he exhorts them: “Let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God,”* (2 Corinthians 7:1) and among the closing words of this letter, he says, “Be perfect.”* (2 Corinthians 13:11)

Thus we can see in all the epistles of this apostle, the theme of sanctification. His personal testimony to the Galatians reads: “I am crucified with Christ.”* (Galatians 2:20) His statement to the brethren at Philippi was: “As many as be perfect”* (Philippians 3:15); to those at Colosse: “Ye are dead and your life is hid with Christ in God,”* (Colossians 3:3) “Ye have put off the old man with his deeds; And have put on the new man”* (Colossians 3:9-10); his teaching in the epistles to the Thessalonians, showing them that sanctification is the will of God to them, and his desire that the “God of peace sanctify you wholly.”* (1 Thessalonians 5:23) His instructions to Timothy show how we may become a vessel “sanctified, and meet for the master’s use,”* (2 Timothy 2:21) and he refers to the fact that there were some who “call on the Lord out of a pure heart.”* (2 Timothy 2:22) His letter to Titus, in which he mentions how Jesus gave Himself for us, that He might “purify unto himself a peculiar people.”* (Titus 2:14) These all add testimony to this doctrine and the apostle’s faithfulness in his ministry. Some scholars think Apollos is the author of the epistle to the Hebrews; but whether Paul or Apollos, it abounds with truth upon sanctification.

All the other writers of the New Testament teach the same truth. James says, “Purify your hearts, ye double minded.”* (James 4:8) Peter gives emphasis to the doctrine of holiness: “Be ye holy,”* (1 Peter 1:15) and that “we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness”* (1 Peter 2:24); and desires that the God of all grace “make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you”* (2 Peter 3:14); and that at the coming of Christ “ye may be found of him in peace, without spot and blameless.”* () Jude addresses his epistle “to them that are sanctified… and preserved.”* (Jude 1:1)

Then when we search the writings of John we are almost overwhelmed with glory, as we read his beautiful teachings upon this theme, which he so clearly sets forth. God grant that we all may “walk in the light as he is in the light,”* (1 John 1:7) walking “even as he walked,”* (1 John 2:6) that His love in us may be “perfected,”* (1 John 2:5) that we may prayerfully hold fast and abide in this “unction from the Holy One,”* (1 John 2:20) that the “anointing”* (1 John 2:27) may abide in us. Such an experience can be realized only by every one that “purifieth himself, even as he is pure.”* (1 John 3:3)
 

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Part IV

PLEASE NOTICE THE LAST SENTENCE.

Question: "What is sanctification? What is the definition of Christian sanctification?"

Answer:
Sanctification is God’s will for us (1 Thessalonians 4:3). The word sanctification is related to the word saint; both words have to do with holiness. To “sanctify” something is to set it apart for special use; to “sanctify” a person is to make him holy.

Jesus had a lot to say about sanctification in John 17. In verse 16 the Lord says, “They are not of the world, even as I am not of it,” and this is before His request: “Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth” (verse 17). In Christian theology, sanctification is a state of separation unto God; all believers enter into this state when they are born of God: “You are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption” (1 Corinthians 1:30, ESV). The sanctification mentioned in this verse is a once-for-ever separation of believers unto God. It is a work God performs, an intricate part of our salvation and our connection with Christ (Hebrews 10:10). Theologians sometimes refer to this state of holiness before God as “positional” sanctification; it is the same as justification.

While we are positionally holy (“set free from every sin” by the blood of Christ, Acts 13:39), we know that we still sin (1 John 1:10). That’s why the Bible also refers to sanctification as a practical experience of our separation unto God. “Progressive” or “experiential” sanctification, as it is sometimes called, is the effect of obedience to the Word of God in one’s life. It is the same as growing in the Lord (2 Peter 3:18) or spiritual maturity. God started the work of making us like Christ, and He is continuing it (Philippians 1:6). This type of sanctification is to be pursued by the believer earnestly (1 Peter 1:15; Hebrews 12:14) and is effected by the application of the Word (John 17:17). Progressive sanctification has in view the setting apart of believers for the purpose for which they are sent into the world: “As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world. For them I sanctify myself, that they too may be truly sanctified” (John 17:18–19). That Jesus set Himself apart for God’s purpose is both the basis and the condition of our being set apart (see John 10:36). We are sanctified and sent because Jesus was. Our Lord’s sanctification is the pattern of and power for our own. The sending and the sanctifying are inseparable. On this account we are called “saints” (hagioi in the Greek), or “sanctified ones.” Prior to salvation, our behavior bore witness to our standing in the world in separation from God, but now our behavior should bear witness to our standing before God in separation from the world. Little by little, every day, “those who are being sanctified” (Hebrews 10:14, ESV) are becoming more like Christ.

There is a third sense in which the word sanctification is used in Scripture—a “complete” or “ultimate” sanctification. This is the same as glorification. Paul prays in 1 Thessalonians 5:23, “May the God of peace himself sanctify you completely, and may your whole spirit and soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ” (ESV). Paul speaks of Christ as “the hope of glory” (Colossians 1:27) and links the glorious appearing of Christ to our personal glorification: “When Christ, who is your life, appears, then you also will appear with him in glory” (Colossians 3:4). This glorified state will be our ultimate separation from sin, a total sanctification in every regard. “We know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is” (1 John 3:2).

To summarize, “sanctification” is a translation of the Greek word hagiasmos, meaning “holiness” or “a separation.” In the past, God granted us justification, a once-for-all, positional holiness in Christ. Now, God guides us to maturity, a practical, progressive holiness. In the future, God will give us glorification, a permanent, ultimate holiness. These three phases of sanctification separate the believer from the penalty of sin (justification), the power of sin (maturity), and the presence of sin (glorification).

Recommended Resource: Pleasing God: Discovering the Meaning and Importance of Sanctification by R.C. Sproul
 

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I understood it as a compliment. Seems appropriate.

Is 'adios' Italian also. I remember you signed off once using 'lata'. What does that mean?

Stranger
Well.
Let's see.
YOU say works are not necessary.
SHE says we should give a drink of water to the thirsty.

To me it sounds like she's NOT agreeing with you...
 

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A life long process?????, Not so.
1 Cor 6:11
11 And such """"were""" some of you. But you """WERE""" washed, but you """WERE"""" sanctified, but you """"WERE"""" justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.
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And it was not by a person's works.
Oh.
And BTW,
I guess your above post means you're as perfect as you're ever going to be.

You must be really pretty perfect and no further effort is needed by you!!
 

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Name me one person who ever deserved teh gift, certainly no one on this earth....

Now you are questioning His love.
Find out about the Kingdom of God.
You want to remain in the Kingdom?
You have to deserve to remain.
 

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Name me one person who ever deserved teh gift, certainly no one on this earth....

Now you are questioning His love.
Did you read all the posts on Sanctification?
No?
Why not?
Pretty scary stuff, isn't it??
Too bad it's the truth.
 

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Find out about the Kingdom of God.
You want to remain in the Kingdom?
You have to deserve to remain.
Really name me one person who deserves to be in teh kingdom just one.....

Sanctification, I understood that years ago, its because of what He Jesus has done that we are sanctified, there is nothing we can do but believe. You know this bit,

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Are you boasting??

Do you have kids, at there birthday, do you not give them gifts, do they deserve them??? If you a human can do such a thing for your children, how much more do you think our father in heaven can give to His.
 
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Well Pia,
My last words to you.

To get the gift,
you have to deserve the gift.

God doesn't just give the "gift" (which is salvation, BTW) to just anybody. Starting right back at Genesis.
Are you having trouble with the word 'GIFT' ?
 
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Well.
Let's see.
YOU say works are not necessary.
SHE says we should give a drink of water to the thirsty.

To me it sounds like she's NOT agreeing with you...

I know there are things me and pia do not agree on. Just as there are things you and I don't agree on. But as believers in Christ we, as I mentioned before, are in the same boat.

In my post #546 I said clearly works play a part in ones sanctification. Giving a drink of water to one because he is a believer is a work of the believer as he walks with God. It is not something he is trying to do to merit justification, or to keep his salvation.

And concerning sanctification, as you can see in the many verses you gave, that God sanctifies us first. Sets us apart as his people. Then we have a responsibility to sanctify ourselves. I couldn't see any problem with what you gave on sanctification. Do you see yourself disagreeing with it in the last paragraph. It speaks of justification as a once for all positional holiness in Christ, which I agree with. But I understood you not to.

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I know there are things me and pia do not agree on. Just as there are things you and I don't agree on. But as believers in Christ we, as I mentioned before, are in the same boat.

In my post #546 I said clearly works play a part in ones sanctification. Giving a drink of water to one because he is a believer is a work of the believer as he walks with God. It is not something he is trying to do to merit justification, or to keep his salvation.

And concerning sanctification, as you can see in the many verses you gave, that God sanctifies us first. Sets us apart as his people. Then we have a responsibility to sanctify ourselves. I couldn't see any problem with what you gave on sanctification. Do you see yourself disagreeing with it in the last paragraph. It speaks of justification as a once for all positional holiness in Christ, which I agree with. But I understood you not to.

Stranger
Ah. I see.
So the problem is with the word works.
You think works is something someone does to save themselves.
NO.
Works is ANYTHING you do to behave as God would want you to.
It's what you do when you're not sitting back on your couch doing nothing for the Kingdom.

If you work before salvation to gain salvation, it will not work.
If you work after salvation then you are cooperating with God for your continued sanctification.
 

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I know there are things me and pia do not agree on. Just as there are things you and I don't agree on. But as believers in Christ we, as I mentioned before, are in the same boat.

In my post #546 I said clearly works play a part in ones sanctification. Giving a drink of water to one because he is a believer is a work of the believer as he walks with God. It is not something he is trying to do to merit justification, or to keep his salvation.

And concerning sanctification, as you can see in the many verses you gave, that God sanctifies us first. Sets us apart as his people. Then we have a responsibility to sanctify ourselves. I couldn't see any problem with what you gave on sanctification. Do you see yourself disagreeing with it in the last paragraph. It speaks of justification as a once for all positional holiness in Christ, which I agree with. But I understood you not to.

Stranger
P.S. I agree with everything I posted and what you said about justfctn.
Justification is a one time...
Sancitification is ongoing...
Glorification is what we are after death.
 

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Are you having trouble with the word 'GIFT' ?
Are YOU having trouble with Ephesians 2:10??

You like the word GIFTS.
Don't you like the word WORKS??

You certainly do not have a problem with the word:
SARCASM.
 

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WORKS.

Looks like works are an important component in being saved...
If one wants to be honest.


Matthew 5:16 - Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

James 2:14-17 - What [doth it] profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? (Read More...)

Ephesians 2:10 - For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

James 2:26 - For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Hebrews 13:16 - But to do good and to communicate forget not: for with such sacrifices God is well pleased.

Colossians 3:23-24 - And whatsoever ye do, do [it] heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men;

James 2:18 - Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

John 6:28-29 - Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?

Galatians 6:9 - And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.

Proverbs 3:27-28 - Withhold not good from them to whom it is due, when it is in the power of thine hand to do [it].

James 4:17 - Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth [it] not, to him it is sin.

1 Corinthians 16:14 - Let all your things be done with charity.

Romans 2:6-10 - Who will render to every man according to his deeds:


and more...
 

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I understand H. Richard.
God must do it all for you.
YOU have no part at all in getting yourself the prize, or reward, which is heaven BTW.

Regarding Sanctification:
You posted
1 Corinthians 6:11

Now compare that to:
1 Thessalonians 4:3
2 Thessalonians 2:13

In fact 2 Thessalonians says that we are chosen from the beginning of time for SALVATION THROUGH SANCIFICATION, by the spirit and FAITH IN THE TRUTH.

Looks like you have a conflict there.
How to resolve?

You'll figure that out on your own.
Maybe if you study a little theology you might find out WHY there is this "discrepancy".

For now and for those reading along, I'll just post a couple of explanations of what SANCTIFICATION IS. If you notice, there are two different words for what we're talking about.
One is JUSTIFICATION
One is SANCTIFICATION

If they both mean exactly the same, WHY do we need two DIFFERENT words??? Good question, isn't it?

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What is Sanctification?

The definition, which fits nicely with what the Bible teaches, is that it means to be set apart for holy use. It also means to make holy or to purify. This is exactly the goal of every believer in Christ. Like the Old Testament Temple vessels used by the priest, these were to be used for holy purposes and to be pure and to glorify God. Today, Christians have been regenerated by the Holy Spirit and our bodies are the temple of God in which dwells the Holy Spirit and our bodies are vessels to be used for a holy or pure purpose for the glory of God. The origin of this word is from the Latin “sanctus” which means holy or to consecrate. The suffix of “tion” in sanctification is the ongoing or continuing process of this becoming holy. It is a progressive holiness and growing in purity and it takes a lifetime. We are being perfected and this perfection takes time and patience. I thank God that He is patient with me in this process. We can not see much of our own progress until we start looking back at last year, and the year before and then ten years ago. There should be noticeable differences in a person’s life that are tangible evidences of growth.


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Part I
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So you think I need to study some more, right??? I became a child of God when I was 9 years old. I have studied the scriptures for over 70 years and I think I know the difference in the works of man and the works of Jesus.

What I write in my studies is not what man says. It is what the word says. I exposed the fact that the book of James was only written to the Jews (James 1:10) but I am not responsible for the blindness others seem to have. Most do not want the truth unless it supports their theology.. The scriptures tell us that Satan has blinded many to the truth. I am sure you will say I am the one that is blinded.

What I have learned is that salvation is found in the work of Jesus on the cross, not in man's works. But my claim is blanked out by those that use empty words like "easy believism. You ought to join us. We are those who have entered God's rest because of where we have placed our faith and it isn't in man's efforts to do works to earn a place in heaven.

Phil 3:1-3
3 Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. For me to write the same things to you is not tedious, but for you it is safe.
2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the mutilation!
3 For we are the circumcision, who worship God in the Spirit, rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh,
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hmm, i thought the other way around; not that it is a big deal
It IS a big deal.

It's very important to understand the difference.
If we did, we would't have all these "works" threads because the difference would be understood.

It takes some theology because Paul used the terms interchangeably, but they ARE very different.
 

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So you think I need to study some more, right??? I became a child of God when I was 9 years old. I have studied the scriptures for over 70 years and I think I know the difference in the works of man and the works of Jesus.

What I write in my studies is not what man says. It is what the word says. I exposed the fact that the book of James was only written to the Jews (James 1:10) but I am not responsible for the blindness others seem to have. Most do not want the truth unless it supports their theology.. The scriptures tell us that Satan has blinded many to the truth. I am sure you will say I am the one that is blinded.

What I have learned is that salvation is found in the work of Jesus on the cross, not in man's works. But my claim is blanked out by those that use empty words like "easy believism. You ought to join us. We are those who have entered God's rest because of where we have placed our faith and it isn't in man's efforts to do works to earn a place in heaven.

Phil 3:1-3
3 Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. For me to write the same things to you is not tedious, but for you it is safe.
2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the mutilation!
3 For we are the circumcision, who worship God in the Spirit, rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh,
NKJV
Study some more.

The book of James was not written to the Jews.
Find out what the beginning of the book means.
I'm not posting it --- you believe no one and you're right.
Study it yourself.
Or maybe you've found what's in YOUR COMFORT ZONE.
That must be it.

Yes. Salvation is in what Jesus did.

Did you not read all that posting?
You don't believe me,
you don't believe theologians,
you only believe the bible.

The bible does not teach us everything.
Did you learn about the Trinity by reading the bible only?

And, yes, you're right, YOU are the one blinded because you cannot even accept what many others say but hold tight to your own beliefs, even the ones that are incorrect.

Thanks for calling me nice name, BTW.
Seems to me YOU are the dog by calling another Christian names.

I did NOT do this to YOU.
I do wonder why that is...

Those that live UNDER GRACE are not always the nicest persons.
Those that live UNDER LAW seem to be very nice to me.

Pondering.....
Must by that those who believe as YOU do, think they have nothing else to do.

I repeat...
To whom much is given,
Much will be required.

BTW, I'm resting a whole lot more than YOU are because I know the truth and you only accept what you want to accept.

Good luck.
Jesus spoke about those such as yourself in
Mathew 7:17-23

And in Mathew 5:19
WHOEVER ANNULS one of the LEAST of these COMMANDMENTS,
and so TEACHES OTHERS, shall be called least in the Kingdom.

That doesn't sound like a suggestion to me.
When God speaks of COMMANDS,
I think He means COMMANDS.
 

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It IS a big deal.

It's very important to understand the difference.
If we did, we would't have all these "works" threads because the difference would be understood.

It takes some theology because Paul used the terms interchangeably, but they ARE very different.
ah, never really Lexed them yet i guess, i'll have to check that out, ty. Doubt it would affect the faith/works debate much though, there are always going to be people who want their cake and eat it too imo
 

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ah, never really Lexed them yet i guess, i'll have to check that out, ty. Doubt it would affect the faith/works debate much though, there are always going to be people who want their cake and eat it too imo
They could have their easy believism,
have their cake and eat it to...

But they do need to hear that they are wrong in their beliefs.
Jesus left us with commands, not suggestions.