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Speaking of the carnal Jew, Paul writes this:
"What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God." Rom 3:1-2
What was it that was committed to them? Under the covenant with the Israelites, we find the written words of God with the tabernacle in the wilderness. It was through the prophets and priests of Israel that God spoke with His people. His people were the children of Israel, but now...
Has this changed since the outpouring of the Holy Ghost as per Acts 2?
i would argue that yes, it has. A Spirit that is Word has been unleashed on the earth that has redeemed us since then, that we are the body of, and this is going to work a change that the law--the previous covenant that we still effectively live under, in the world anyway--could not, cannot. We have a record of the failure in the OT.Has this changed since the outpouring of the Holy Ghost as per Acts 2?
I love the God in you.
There was and will never be a change from the time that God committed his oracles to the Jews.
All of scripture breathed by the Holy spirit through men since the commitment was made has been through a carnal Jew. The canon of scripture that God made is written on earth as it was in heaven when he formed it for the good of the whole world and the only authorized people were carnal Jews.
We as gentiles can look to no other people who possess the authority to handle God's word and be prophets for our good. Since the last of the carnal Jews who were given gifts from Christ's time have died there has been no further prophets emerge to add further to God's word but there will always be the pretenders...
Can you give me your definition of what is the meaning/character of a prophet? Thank you.
The character of a prophet would be a man that has the Holy spirit with minimally the specific gift of prophecy however, if one researches the OT you will find that prophets typically do much more that prophecy. In many cases they try to bring the people of God back in line with God's will and to record God's dealings with men. This is not an exhaustive description.
Note also that a prophet cannot be chosen or elected by men and they will be a natural Jew.
I have looked at a small amount of your posts elsewhere upon your reply here. You appear to have a proper understanding on the subjects I noted a like for.
I especially like your statement" if its not in the bible...."
You should have chimed in on the sola scripture thread I started.
As I understand it the role of a prophet is one who is sent, yet you say there are no prophets today. How can this be so, did not Jesus give a command to born again believers to go into all the world and preach the Gospel...
baptizing them into the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit? (paraphrased).
Are not these believers in this context prophets? If not, who has the authority to determine these are not? This is no trick. I just want to know who/what has the authority.
To God Be The Glory
So do I my friend. I just wish that I were always as faithful as He would like for me to be.I love the God in you.
There was and will never be a change from the time that God committed his oracles to the Jews.
All of scripture breathed by the Holy spirit through men since the commitment was made has been through a carnal Jew. The canon of scripture that God made is written on earth as it was in heaven when he formed it for the good of the whole world and the only authorized people were carnal Jews.
We as gentiles can look to no other people who possess the authority to handle God's word and be prophets for our good. Since the last of the carnal Jews who were given gifts from Christ's time have died there has been no further prophets emerge to add further to God's word but there will always be the pretenders...
My own view of a prophet is simply that he is a man who speaks God's Word. This may or may not include predictions of the future. Prophecies in scripture did not always include predictions... although I guess the accuracy my statement would depend upon what a prediction really is.The character of a prophet would be a man that has the Holy spirit with minimally the specific gift of prophecy however, if one researches the OT you will find that prophets typically do much more that prophecy. In many cases they try to bring the people of God back in line with God's will and to record God's dealings with men. This is not an exhaustive description.
Note also that a prophet cannot be chosen or elected by men and they will be a natural Jew..............*****************
So do I my friend. I just wish that I were always as faithful as He would like for me to be.
Pretenders? Yes, there are those, but are there not also among us today those with the gifts as per...?
"And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:" Eph 4:11-15
My own view of a prophet is simply that he is a man who speaks God's Word. This may or may not include predictions of the future. Prophecies in scripture did not always include predictions... although I guess the accuracy my statement would depend upon what a prediction really is.
I agree that a prophet can never be elected by men, but I would not agree that only a natural Jew can fill the office.
i would argue that yes, it has. A Spirit that is Word has been unleashed on the earth that has redeemed us since then, that we are the body of, and this is going to work a change that the law--the previous covenant that we still effectively live under, in the world anyway--could not, cannot. We have a record of the failure in the OT.
Gospel is Word, Good News! In a way that Law could not suffice, a la Job; even if Job did find Grace
There was no law that said a man must die for his friends, see, and now there is.
Things have changed because now you have to die to self
and this is going to work a change in the earth
this is the theme of basically every religion
in order to be a god, you have to be a servant first
a flowery way of saying that doing evil is going to basically extinct you via simple attrition v someone who is seeking God as best they are able, sensitive to others, verile and not sterile, etc
what you curse on earth is cursed in heaven, and what you bless on earth is what is blessed in heaven
It would be wonderful to have these people among us to make straight the way of the Lord but you must admit that the number of "Christian sects" just keeps getting larger and larger and error is the one thing on the rise since the end of the Jews as a nation.
Take note; that "he gave" this is past tense at the time of it's writing. Christ did indeed give gifts of what is written unto the people of that time to perfect the saints for the work that they were commissioned to do. Christ's apostles were to take his message to the ends of the earth and to do that they needed to solidify the message and commit it to holy writ in their time on the earth.
I will not.Then I pose a simple question to you sir as humbly as I can. Name for me a single man who was a Prophet for God who was not a natural born Jew at any point since the Jews were commissioned to carry the oracles of God.
I will not. To name anyone that I believe was or is in such a position would only be my word here in any case unless God wanted to establish it for me. The ones I could or would name if I were willing would be men who have lived or are living in my lifetime as a man of flesh.
As I read through this thread about the Oracles of God, there were Two types, the written Oracles and the living Oracles, the Living Oracles were the Feasts that the Carnal Jew kept as Worship rituals, the written Oracles were the words written by Moses, and entrusted to the Carnal Jew!
So let the Carnal Jew interpret what the Carnal Jews have written and let the Gentiles interpret what the Gentiles have Written. Amen!
Since at the time of the writing of the scriptures the leading brothers were usually Jews, it is not unreasonable or unexpected for the prophets to be Jews as well.
Be aware here that I was n0t directing you to name someone outside of scripture. My intent is for you to name anyone from scripture who is not a Jew that was a prophet. A simple request that does not require a personal judgment. Thus, we do not sink into a he said she said dilemma. If God said it then it matters and if he didn't say it then it also matters.
Since at the time of the writing of the scriptures the leading brothers were usually Jews, it is not unreasonable or unexpected for the prophets to be Jews as well.
For me the Book of Acts alone is an unfinished book which continues to be written in the lives and testimonies of saints who have lived from then until now. I consider Jesus words here:
"And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen." John 21:25
And here:
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father." John 14:12
Those two verses to me speak of more of the Lord's work continuing through those who follow after and believe in Him, be they carnal Jews or Gentiles. The books may not have been continued in writing nor the works recorded for our benefit, at least for the most part, but that does not mean they have not nonetheless continued.