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What are the oracles of God and who are they committed too?

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  1. bbyrd009

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    the Magi talking to Herod comes to mind
     
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    it actually used to really bug me that we had no Hebrew NT, but the reason has become obvious since then
     
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    definitely--the Jews were divorced, the NT writers who were raised Jewish were deemed heretics and outcast/murdered by the Jews, and written in Greek and Aramaic, etc.
     
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    I am not sure what you are trying to push or accomplish here. The oracles of God is The Word of God. Christ. The LORD.
    The gentiles do not need to write further. For the believer: the oracles of God are written on their heart.

    Jeremiah 32:38-42 KJV
    [38] And they shall be my people, and I will be their God: [39] And I will give them one heart, and one way, that they may fear me for ever, for the good of them, and of their children after them: [40] And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me. [41] Yea, I will rejoice over them to do them good, and I will plant them in this land assuredly with my whole heart and with my whole soul. [42] For thus saith the Lord ; Like as I have brought all this great evil upon this people, so will I bring upon them all the good that I have promised them.

    One
    heart.

    Ezekiel 11:19-20 KJV
    [19] And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh: [20] That they may walk in my statutes, and keep mine ordinances, and do them: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God.

    Acts 2:44-47 KJV
    [44] And all that believed were together, and had all things common; [45] And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men , as every man had need. [46] And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, [47] Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

    Acts 2:17-18 KJV
    [17] And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: [18] And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

    Prophesy: speak the truth of God which is Jesus Christ. Paraphrasing off memory: Continue in my word and the truth shall set your free. Whom the Son has set free is free indeed.

    Joel 2:28-29 KJV
    [28] And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: [29] And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.

    Proverbs 16:15-16 KJV
    [15] In the light of the king's countenance is life; and his favour is as a cloud of the latter rain. [16] How much better is it to get wisdom than gold! and to get understanding rather to be chosen than silver!

    Hebrews 11:39-40 KJV
    [39] And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: [40] God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

    Isaiah 50:3
    I clothe the heavens with blackness, and I make sackcloth their covering.

    Joel 1:8 KJV
    [8] Lament like a virgin girded with sackcloth for the husband of her youth.
     
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    have the Jews suddenly acknowledged Christ then?
     
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    They are well on their way to that end see for yourself;
    Messianic Judaism - Wikipedia
     
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    yes, perhaps some, but the point there is to see that Had there been other prophets within the "gentile" peoples, they would have been killed.
     
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    If you don't know what I am saying or doing then by what rationale are you replying to my thread?
    If there is no understanding then there can be no rational reply.
    So since you do not comprehend what I'm saying then I will not attempt to reply to random thoughts of scriptures that cannot address what the thread is about.
    When and if you do get things understood then by all means give a reply that deals with it and I will be happy to respond accordingly.
     
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    All prophets have been killed afaik. however, how or why they died is not relevant to the topic right?
     
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    I guess I should have put an LOL after my last statement, the only thing I can think of that the Gentiles have written is Commentary. I know that for a fact that the Hebrew way of explaining thing's is Concrete! and the way the Greeks explain thing's is Abstract, Philo-Sophia, Philosophy, and in saying that this could mean this or it could mean that, one could interrupt the meaning of something, through Philosophy!
     
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    Then you can quote the scripture that says this is so.

    Jeremiah 3:14“Return, O backsliding children,” says the Lord, “for I am married to you. I will take you, one from a city and two from a family, and I will bring you to Zion.”

    Jeremiah 7:3-7, 21-23
    So said the Lord of Hosts, the God of Israel, “Improve your ways and your deeds, I then will allow you to dwell in this place. Do not rely on false words, saying, ‘The Temple of the Lord, The Temple of the Lord, The Temple of the Lord are they.’ If you improve your ways and your deeds, if you perform judgment between one man and his fellow man, you do not oppress the stranger, an orphan, or a widow, and you do not shed innocent blood in this place, and you do not follow other gods for your detriment. I will then allow you to dwell in this place, in the land that I gave your forefathers from days of yore to eternity. . . So says the Lord of Hosts, the God of Israel, “Add your burnt offerings upon your sacrifices and eat flesh; for neither did I speak with your forefathers nor did I command them on the day I brought them out of the land of Egypt concerning a burnt offering or a sacrifice. This thing did I command them saying, ‘Listen to Me so that I am your God and you are My people, you walk in all the ways that I command you…'
     
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    i dunno, seems to me that it is, if the assertion was "every prophet of God was Jewish."
     
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    um, the NT?
    Therefore I tell you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a nation producing its fruit.
     
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    Indeed Truth has spoken.
     
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    Jesus?

    Whom of course we consider a Jew, but Jews do not, right. So, all depends upon whom you ask i guess.
     
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    By all means then reference the NT writers that were not Jews.

    Was the kingdom taken from any of the Jewish apostles? Jewish converts? and finally what kingdom is spoken of? To my understanding the kingdom is the promised land to come
     
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    Enoch wasn't, Elijah wasn't, Elisha wasn't...what is "afaik?" can't think of what word is suitable there, lol, ty

    David wasn't, Solomon wasn't, ...
     
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    In the eyes of another who disagrees it is good that you admit that. But, then again all of us have personal beliefs.

    "Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts." Prov 21:2

    So who is it that agrees with God? God does know the answer in every case. In some cases He may have shared His answer with men, but if He shared His answer with you or His answer with me, how would one who is not given the same knowledge from the same source to know? But, yes, we all of us do have personal beliefs. The truth comes from God alone. When we disagree on a point is it ever possible for both of us to be right in the sight of God?


    You have decided that there are no gentile prophets and therefore presume the lack of written scripture proves that is correct. But... we really do live by faith rather than by proof.

    There is proof, but it is written in our hearts by the Holy Spirit of God and it can only be shared with someone to whom God has also revealed it or whose heart is open to receive it. People will say this is not proof and perhaps according to the "scientific method" of men it is not, but even that method is really based on certain presumptions. Every one lives by faith, even if at times it is a misdirected or a negative faith.


    You are jumping to the conclusion that the natural or carnal children of Jacob alone, or even the children of Abraham, are God's people. I won't here try a build up a case for gentiles being God's people. But... the case is there for anyone who wishes to pursue it farther.

    You are also concluding that all prophecies must be written down. Without getting again into just what a prophecy is, I am certain that there are many prophecies today that are not written on paper or other substantial places besides on a person's heart.

    Any person who has ever heard from God and testifies about what he heard is prophesying. So lots of people have prophesied in that measure, but you would say that no non-Jew is or ever has been a prophet in the sense of having a gift as per Eph 4:11. Your evidence essentially lies in the lack of things which the natural senses of man [vision, hearing, smell, touch, taste] are able to perceive. Consider again Jesus's words to Thomas:

    "Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed." John 20:29

     
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    As Far As I Know

    Also David was not considered a prophet and yes now that you mention it Enoch was translated so you are correct not all of God's prophets were killed So to rephrase this "most of them were killed" which still has no bearing on the point being made.
     
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    Just so you know I was referring to your reply and not to a statement that followed however I do not have a problem of stating when something is simply a personal belief.


    We have the scripture and we have the testimony of men. How much confidence do you place in the testimony of men that comes from outside scripture?



     
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    It really depends upon the men and how well I know them. There are some whose testimonies I could trust absolutely.
     
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