Charles Spurgeon's Sanity Litmus Test (are you insane?)

[bbyrd009]

I think I've been gone a long time now...
Doesn't feel like it.

well, this has been going on since forever, it is just not discussed, except among psych ppl i guess.
No one hardly even knows what "codependence" means, and the standard reply is "we are all supposed to be codependent upon each other." (that is "interdependent")

 

[GodsGrace]

yes, the "imputed" part is the nature, not the sin itself, and we are basically now dissecting why the doctrine of Original Sin is a lie, i guess; because the sin is now imputed, to full effect. Unfortunately our parents impart this concept to us from the cradle, don't talk to strangers, etc, so we cannot really see the forest for the trees.

It is a hard lesson to learn that God can actually protect your little kid, too, and
"don't talk to strangers" = "i do not trust God, and you better not either."

Oh.
I agree that the sin nature is imputed.
I've always said that we get the effect of the sin,
even if we didn't do the sin.

But don't you see the difference between the actual DISOBEDIENCE, and the EFFECT of it? (I feel like I've been having this discussion with someone here...)

 

[bbyrd009]

Oh.
I agree that the sin nature is imputed.
I've always said that we get the effect of the sin,
even if we didn't do the sin.

But don't you see the difference between the actual DISOBEDIENCE, and the EFFECT of it? (I feel like I've been having this discussion with someone here...)

hey, see the difference in the doctrine of Original Sin and the Law of sin and death; same difference, exactly.

 

[GodsGrace]

well, this has been going on since forever, it is just not discussed, except among psych ppl i guess.
No one hardly even knows what "codependence" means, and the standard reply is "we are all supposed to be codependent upon each other." (that is "interdependent")

I'm dependent on people.
The govt too, for what it OWES me.
Is that co-dependent? I think my husband and I are co-dependent.

Not sure what inter-dependence is.
You could enlighten me...

 

[GodsGrace]

hey, see the difference in the doctrine of Original Sin and the Law of sin and death; same difference, exactly.

Just tell me.
I can't know EVERYTHING!!!!

Am I getting my Catholic theology mixed up with my Protestant theology?
Original sin is when Adam took the bite.
The Sin Nature, or the law of sin and death maybe, is what happened AFTER he bit that darn fruit.

 

[bbyrd009]

I'm dependent on people.
The govt too, for what it OWES me.

ha

Is that co-dependent? I think my husband and I are co-dependent.

ya, me too

Not sure what inter-dependence is.
You could enlighten me...

your children and your pets are codependent upon you; even if you are supposed to be raising your kids to be interdependent, the behavior we expect from an adult. Codependence is a difficult term to define, to ppl who see it as the only way to operate that they have ever known, but these might get you started
How to Understand Codependency
How to Tell if You Are Codependent

 

[bbyrd009]

Just tell me.
I can't know EVERYTHING!!!!

Am I getting my Catholic theology mixed up with my Protestant theology?
Original sin is when Adam took the bite.
The Sin Nature, or the law of sin and death maybe, is what happened AFTER he bit that darn fruit.

this is about as thorny as Codependency, for much the same reason, that being that we are raised with the doctrine of OS now, in society, it is hard-baked into all of our premises now iow, but for that i would direct you to this
How to Recognize the Fallacy of Death Centric Western Christian Models

with the disclosure that i pretty much wrote all of these, and better sources are available, often quoted, etc.
These are strictly starting points, might even contain some errors now, etc.

 

[GodsGrace]

ha

ya, me too
your children and your pets are codependent upon you; even if you are supposed to be raising your kids to be interdependent, the behavior we expect from an adult. Codependence is a difficult term to define, to ppl who see it as the only way to operate that they have ever known, but these might get you started
How to Understand Codependency
How to Tell if You Are Codependent

Oh my goodness!!!!
Are these new terms for:
Dependent
Independent
??

I read the two links and it sure sounds like it.
According to the links I AM NOT codependent !
Maybe interdependent, but not sure.

Boy, I sure am missing a lot by not being there.

I think we all depend on others in many ways,
although it's a good thing to be independent.
IOW, I could cook my own dinner and do other important things to make me live better.
Men should know how to iron a shirt even though a woman may do it better and she may do this all the time.

Women should know how to change a tire in case of an emergency..
if she could just lift it...

Is this what we're talking about?

 

[bbyrd009]

Oh my goodness!!!!
Are these new terms for:
Dependent
Independent
??

hmm, can be, sort of, been around since like 1940 or something though i guess

Boy, I sure am missing a lot by not being there.

ha, trust me, there is not like some mass US awakening that you are missing out on or anything lol. The very last thing that the state wants is for you to become interdependent. No one here knows what Codependence means. yet.

 

[bbyrd009]

I think we all depend on others in many ways,
although it's a good thing to be independent.

hmm. Well, we sell Chuck Norris to, basically, Sheldon Coopers, because interdependence is not sexy or funny, not entertainment. Interdependence is me, trusting you to stay on your side of the yellow line. Independence and codependence could be inserted into the analogy, but suffice it to say that Chuck Norris is evil, even though he is portrayed as good.

Hopefully it is understood that Chuck=independent, and Sheldon=codependent, but it should also be noted how both of these archetypes are misused in the tv shows, too long to go into here. Righteous Retribution is condemned by God, no matter how justifiable it is. And no one would actually put up with Sheldon's crap for more than about a day, except to make a comedy show.

 

[bbyrd009]

independent.
IOW, I could cook my own dinner and do other important things to make me live better.
Men should know how to iron a shirt even though a woman may do it better and she may do this all the time.

Women should know how to change a tire in case of an emergency..
if she could just lift it...

Is this what we're talking about?

ah well those would be examples of independence, not interdependence. Imo that is how we got to Rosie the Riveter, and she goes right there with ol' Chuck imo

 

[jimd]

A codependent relationship involves one person supporting another person’s unhealthy needs. One person acts as an enabler to another person’s poor health, immaturity, under-achievement, or addiction. The enabler is preoccupied with the needs of the other person and fails to satisfy their own needs.

 

[bbyrd009]

A codependent relationship involves one person supporting another person’s unhealthy needs. One person acts as an enabler to another person’s poor health, immaturity, under-achievement, or addiction. The enabler is preoccupied with the needs of the other person and fails to satisfy their own needs.

alternately, having learned that MO, the codependent may also satisfy their own needs while ignoring the needs of others, although Codependency was first identified as a thing by understanding the mechanism you have just outlined occurring repeatedly in families of alcoholics.

While Coda meetings are more widely available now, Al-anon meetings are at least as beneficial. Great way to meet like minded people, as just going to the meetings is a big step, an admission.

 

[GodsGrace]

A codependent relationship involves one person supporting another person’s unhealthy needs. One person acts as an enabler to another person’s poor health, immaturity, under-achievement, or addiction. The enabler is preoccupied with the needs of the other person and fails to satisfy their own needs.

j
You have successfully explained co-dependency.
I understand about enabling.

Now, could you explain interdependency?
I'm afraid bb gave me two examples...
I know good ole' Chuck,
But not the Cooper guy.

 

[GodsGrace]

hmm. Well, we sell Chuck Norris to, basically, Sheldon Coopers, because interdependence is not sexy or funny, not entertainment. Interdependence is me, trusting you to stay on your side of the yellow line. Independence and codependence could be inserted into the analogy, but suffice it to say that Chuck Norris is evil, even though he is portrayed as good.

Hopefully it is understood that Chuck=independent, and Sheldon=codependent, but it should also be noted how both of these archetypes are misused in the tv shows, too long to go into here. Righteous Retribution is condemned by God, no matter how justifiable it is. And no one would actually put up with Sheldon's crap for more than about a day, except to make a comedy show.

Don't know Sheldon Coopers.
But I do agree that man sees retribution one way,
but God another.
Vengeance is mine saith the Lord.
( Dontcha love the KJV for quoting?! )

 

[bbyrd009]

Don't know Sheldon Coopers.

ah, sorry...can't think of a better ref lol. Clueless people who are sure in their own minds, a symptom of codependency

 

[GodsGrace]

ah, sorry...can't think of a better ref lol. Clueless people who are sure in their own minds, a symptom of codependency

Well, bb, this is Sheldon Cooper, but I still don't know who he is...
Know what I mean??

The Big Bang Theory
(never saw it)

 

[GodsGrace]

ah, sorry...can't think of a better ref lol. Clueless people who are sure in their own minds, a symptom of codependency

LOL
Sounds like all of us re our faith!!
ya.

 

[bbyrd009]

LOL
Sounds like all of us re our faith!!
ya.

ha--at least surely an accurate picture of a certain season, in most everyone, ya.

 

[GodsGrace]

ha--at least surely an accurate picture of a certain season, in most everyone, ya.

A certain season?
Maybe.
Maybe we know nothing...
Sometimes I wonder...
Tomorrow bb
Buona Notte