Who is the "ONLY" True God Jesus referred to? (John 17:3)
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Dcopymope
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No, he wasn't really referring to himself, although the anti-trinity crowd may put their own usual spin on it to make it so. The Bible makes it very clear that in the beginning was three in heaven that are one, the Father, the son and the holy ghost. The son is the word, which was God in essence and power yet separate being WITH God who we know in the flesh as the only begotten son Jesus Christ.
101G
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He referred to no "diversity", nor being "flesh". That has been added by CHURCHianity.
Since God SENT him as His Word, His Messenger- it STILL DOES mean Eternal Life to KNOW them.
Why not focus on what JESUS said before listening to a Church?
Got my Bible open; let's start at Matt 6- shortly after beginning his ministry~
Matt 6:6- But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
Why not "pray to your Father, and to the 'Holy Ghost', and to Me"?
Got my Bible open; let's start at Matt 6- shortly after beginning his ministry~
Matt 6:6- But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.
Why not "pray to your Father, and to the 'Holy Ghost', and to Me"?
Matt 6:9-This, then, is how you should pray: Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your Name"...
What IS the name of his God and Father?
What IS the name of his God and Father?
Dcopymope
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He didn't leave himself out actually. In the very same chapter you cited, he refers to himself as being one with the Father as he did several times before. And I have no idea why you bring up 1 John 5:7 because that's not what I referenced.
101G
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did you notice the conjunction "AND" in the verse connecting the only true God and the Lord Jesus?.
if you did not and don't agree, please tell me is this the same person or two. listen James 1:27 "Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world".
its quite apparent you have no understanding of the Presence of God, of which God is a Spirit, the Power that is God, and the Word of God, of which a Living God can speak. therefore the Presence of God has the Power of God with it and the Word of God has the Power of God with it. therefore God to all that is not of God.
all living creatures even plants have their life, the presence of their life and the expression of their life and presence to any other living thing within their presence. and you don't get the trinity, to bad for you I guess.
John 17:11-... Holy Father, keep them in thy name, which thou hast given me, that they may be one, even as we are one.
101G
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GROSS ERROR, 2 Corinthians 11:31 "The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which is blessed for evermore, knoweth that I lie not".
101G
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if that's not good enough and plain, 2 Corinthians 1:3 "Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort"
one and the same person.
one and the same person.
Dcopymope
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Your prayers wouldn't even get to the Father except through Jesus Christ your advocate in heaven. No one gets to the Father but through the word made flesh, that includes your prayers.
Uh huh.....your point? Are you now claiming that Jesus isn't one with the Father?
At least you admit you are guessing.
God, Jesus, Angels and demons are spirit ("breath/wind") beings, not human ("flesh") beings.
No such thing as "God-the-Word". and NO ONE 'get's the Trinity; for those that formed it labeled it a 'Sacred MYSTERY'....
It does NOT read: "Blessed be the Triune God, the Father and also Jesus Christ, the Father and Son of mercies, and the God of all comfort".
And, as usual, no mention of a Ghost...
101G
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LOL, LOL, LOL, the God of all "COMFORT"? is the Holy Ghost, my. my, my.
listen, John 14:16-18 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you". there God is, the ONLY TRUE GOD, the Spirit, who is HOLY. yes, the HOLY SPIRIT, the only true God. better known as JESUS
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