Charles Spurgeon's Sanity Litmus Test (are you insane?)

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Richard_oti

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Wow. We agree on something.
I was starting to doubt we'd ever agree on anything.
I get much slack from Chrisitians for saying what you're agreeing to.

The real question is: Do we truly agree. Or is this a merely superficial agreement that is outward, and not that of the heart.


I know the Tanakh is the O.T. -- my comment was that Jewish persons ADD learnings to it of which I can't remember the name. But they study much more than just the O.T.

Are you thinking of "Talmud"? You state that "Jewish" people "ADD learnings". But is that any worse than attempting to diminish from it which is also so prevalent.


As to calamities?
If we listen to Isaiah 45:7 it would seem that God causes calamity.
Even Exodus 15:3, and many other verses.
OR, we could glean from the O.T. that God protected His people.
Lamentations 3:33
Ezekiel 33:11

So which is it?
God is a good God and cannot cause evil.
The mystery of mysteries....
Many answers, none satisfy.

I'd say that God does not CAUSE calamity, but He ALLOWS it to happen. I don't know why.

And yet:

Jdg 9:23a And God sent an evil spirit ...

1Sa 16:14 Now the Spirit of YHVH departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from YHVH troubled him.

1Ki 22:23 Now therefore, behold, YHVH hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets; and YHVH hath spoken evil concerning thee.

<snip>

I do believe this means you're Jewish...not sure.
Not that it makes a difference to me.

You may take it anyway you like, until you learn what it means. Then you may take it correctly.
 

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The real question is: Do we truly agree. Or is this a merely superficial agreement that is outward, and not that of the heart.


Are you thinking of "Talmud"? You state that "Jewish" people "ADD learnings". But is that any worse than attempting to diminish from it which is also so prevalent.


And yet:

Jdg 9:23a And God sent an evil spirit ...

1Sa 16:14 Now the Spirit of YHVH departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from YHVH troubled him.

1Ki 22:23 Now therefore, behold, YHVH hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets; and YHVH hath spoken evil concerning thee.

<snip>

You may take it anyway you like, until you learn what it means. Then you may take it correctly.

So you believe GOD causes evil.
So He must have evil in Him...
So then how could He be all-good?

John 1:5

American Standard Version
And this is the message which we have heard from him and announce unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
 
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Since you reference it, from where is John drawing upon with regard to that?
Do you know anything?
Always asking me where this and that is referenced from.
Do you realize how easy it is to find out even if I didn't?
 

Richard_oti

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Do you know anything?

Apparently not.


Always asking me where this and that is referenced from.
Do you realize how easy it is to find out even if I didn't?

<chuckle> Bible learning and knowledge via internet, tis the in thing. The beauty of it, is that you can always find something out there on the internet that'll tickle your itching ears. Don't even need to study "theology" or anything, don't need to read a Bible, let alone truly come to know 'Elohim and Jesus.

Must be as easy as salsiccia del sangue.
 

Richard_oti

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Why not answer my question instead?
It's too difficult for ya?

Let's see, you don't want to answer my questions, but you want me to answer yours...

Let's see, that answer is ...

Hold on, I'll remember it here in a moment ...

Ah man, I'm, drawing a blank ...

It's right there ...

Ugh, what was that answer ...

Let's see, I think it starts with an h ...

h - i ...

No, that's not it ...

h - y ...

Hmm, that may be it ...

h - y - p ...

I think I'm getting warmer ...

h - y - p - p ...

Nope, that's not it ...

Getting colder ...

h - y - p - o ...

Yeah, something like that ...

Perhaps you can fill in the rest for me.

It's too hard for me...

So, you're telling me, that an "all-good" "God", torments people forever.

Yet there remains, the second death. Which follows:

Joh 5:29b and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of judgment.


You left me a list of about 8 - 10 items to "exegete". Stating they were all about "hell". Sure you really want to play the game? I say, not all them are in a direct manner. But I'll tell ya what, for every one of those that I "exegete", quid pro quo, you "exegete" one of my choosing upon a toe-pic of my choice.

Ready to play?
 
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The authority to settle the difference belongs to God. Man has tried to usurp the authority and to insert his own judgments, but those are at best temporal even though will be quite painful to some. God already made the decision
Hi Amadeus,

What does God say about abortion?

Mary
 

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Hi Amadeus,

What does God say about abortion?

Mary
I am against abortion, but you asked about God, so try these verses:

"Thou shalt not kill." Exo 20:13

But then again:

"To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:" Ecc 3:1

"A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;" Ecc 3:3

And then:

"Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is his reward.
As arrows are in the hand of a mighty man; so are children of the youth.
Happy is the man that hath his quiver full of them: they shall not be ashamed, but they shall speak with the enemies in the gate." Psalm 127:3-5
 

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I am against abortion, but you asked about God, so try these verses:

"Thou shalt not kill." Exo 20:13
But then again:
"To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven:" Ecc 3:1
"A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up;" Ecc 3:3
And then:
"Lo, children are an heritage of the LORD: and the fruit of the womb is his reward.
As arrows are in the hand of a mighty man; so are children of the youth.
Happy is the man that hath his quiver full of them: they shall not be ashamed, but they shall speak with the enemies in the gate." Psalm 127:3-5

Hi Amadeus,

I thought you believed "the authority to settle the difference belongs to God"? Do you feel comfortable speaking for God by quoting those verses? Do your quotes from scripture settle the difference?

I also believe what God said: God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature.

Wouldn't that passage suggest that we are not a living creature until we take our first breath?

Mary
 

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FUNNY!!!
First of all, how do you know I've always taken persons to court?
Second of all, as I said, between Christians we should try to resolve our differences,,,not everyone is Christian and some suits are legitimate.

If two are living in the Kingdom of God here, then they should follow those rules. Unfortunately, not even all Christians are trying to live in the Kingdom.

There's not much more to say about this....
Hi GG,

I am curious!! Who decides the rules we are to follow?

I would like to follow the Rules of the Kingdom of God so that I will be living in the Kingdom. Where can I find that list?

Mary
 

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I believe there is "good and bad" in all of them....I don't do the denomination thing.
When a stranger asks me what denomination I am , I just answer that I am a Believing-believer.
Hi BG,

How do we know what is "good and bad" in each denomination? Can you give me a list of the good and bad for some of the denominations so I know what denominations to tell my friends to avoid?

Mary
 

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Hi Amadeus,

I thought you believed "the authority to settle the difference belongs to God"? Do you feel comfortable speaking for God by quoting those verses? Do your quotes from scripture settle the difference?
If two people receive the same message from the scripture I quoted there would be no difference between. If they don't it won't. The final authority whether one or the other or neither is right belongs to God.

I also believe what God said: God formed the man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature.

Wouldn't that passage suggest that we are not a living creature until we take our first breath?
Mary

Perhaps, but God also said:
"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." Gen 2:17

Since they, Adam and Eve, did eat, they and all of their offspring were dead until Jesus brought Life and people began to come to Life. We, you and I, were effectively born dead in the eyes of God.
 

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If two people receive the same message from the scripture I quoted there would be no difference between. If they don't it won't. The final authority whether one or the other or neither is right belongs to God.
Hi Amadeus,

Scenario:

One billion Christians belong to a church that believes and teaches the same message from scripture: Abortion is murder.
One billion Christians that belong to a different church disagree and use scripture to show that: Abortion is not murder.

How do we know which Church God agrees with?

Mary


 

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Hi Amadeus,

Scenario:

One billion Christians belong to a church that believes and teaches the same message from scripture: Abortion is murder.
One billion Christians that belong to a different church disagree and use scripture to show that: Abortion is not murder.

How do we know which Church God agrees with?

Mary

God agrees with hearts that agree with Him. The Church consists of those with such hearts. Whether such hearts belong to one group or the other called "church" is another question.
 
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Hi BG,

How do we know what is "good and bad" in each denomination? Can you give me a list of the good and bad for some of the denominations so I know what denominations to tell my friends to avoid?

Mary

I guess we all have our own strange way of posting.

If you go back and read through all your own posts , you will notice how much you sound like a school teacher.
" Now class answer me this question.."
You answer with questions all the time which seem cold, once in a while it would be nice to see you relax and write from your heart. What things 'you' believe...and not just ask strange trick questions which are in the line of our friend twinc...that, 9 times out of ten do not 'have' any clear answer but are like riddles.

Just saying.
Show us the 'real' Mary for once... :)
 

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God agrees with hearts that agree with Him. The Church consists of those with such hearts. Whether such hearts belong to one group or the other called "church" is another question.
Hi Amadeus,

If I understand you correctly you are saying that God agrees with the people (heart) that agree with Him? That is circular logic, however, I understand what you mean. I would say that God LOVES the heart (person) that agrees with Him. He condemns the heart that doesn't. The big question is HOW DO WE KNOW when we our belief agrees with Him?

You said that the Church consist of those people with agreeing hearts. Are you a member of that Church?

How do we know who agrees with Him if we don't know what He thinks? How do we know whom He agrees with when there are 3 different interpretations of the same passage of scripture?

Who decides if God is agreeing with me?
Can we ever know who God agrees with?

Mary
 

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I guess we all have our own strange way of posting.

If you go back and read through all your own posts , you will notice how much you sound like a school teacher.
" Now class answer me this question.."
You answer with questions all the time which seem cold, once in a while it would be nice to see you relax and write from your heart. What things 'you' believe...and not just ask strange trick questions which are in the line of our friend twinc...that, 9 times out of ten do not 'have' any clear answer but are like riddles.
Just saying.
Show us the 'real' Mary for once... :)
I am a retired school (college) teacher. I guess old habits die hard. ;)

After dealing with college kids a good portion of my life I am in the habit of holding people accountable for their actions and words. I should realize I am now dealing with older people; not college kids. On the academic sites I am a member of we challenge each other to back up our findings/beliefs/statements. I guess I have also carried that over into this forum (1Peter3:15). I am not sure if that is good or bad?

Here is what I believe: I am to proclaim the message. I am to be persistent whether the time is favorable or unfavorable. I am to convince, rebuke, and encourage, with the utmost patience in teaching. I believe we are living in the times of people not listening to sound doctrine. In these times people have itching ears and they have accumulated for themselves teachers to suit their own desires.

I guess that is why I have challenged (held you accountable) to your statement when talking about denominations: I believe there is "good and bad" in all of them....'

Since you stated
you believe their is good and bad in all of them I thought you could provide a list. I now see I was wrong. I don't see how that is a "trick" question. I just asked you to back up what you said you believe.

From the heart, here is what I believe on this matter: There is good and bad in all denominations. There are good people and bad people. But we are talking about doctrine, aren't we?

So how do we determine what is good doctrine and what is bad doctrine?

We know that The Church is the pillar and foundation of truth. We know that Jesus gave man the ability or authority to bind and loose. Whatever we bind and loose on earth will be bound and loosed in heaven. He gave man the authority to forgive sins. Scripture is VERY clear that we (Christians) are all to speak with ONE voice and have ONE doctrine and that Christ started a (singular) Church with authority. Not multiple churches with individual authority/doctrines.

So for you to say there are good and bad (doctrines) in all denominations; I have to disagree. That would mean that no Church got it right. God has left us Christians to the wind? Abandoned us so we never know The Truth? I don't think so. According to scripture there is a Church and that Church is the pillar and foundation of Truth. That Church was built on a rock. Not on shifting sands like you and many others seem to believe (Matthew 7:24-27). I have built my house on that Rock.

Since you can't articulate what you said you believe I guess we will end this conversation.

IHS...Mary


 
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