The Law of Moses Has Not Been Abolished

[Helen]

@christiang Good grief man, you have a very high opinion of yourself.
And to think... 40 years ago as a younger christian...I "was" you!!

 

[KBCid]

Well in fact I DO!!

Scripture shows that we can be "blotted out" of the Lambs book of life...
Therefore all are first in...
Even Moses knew that there was "a Book"
Ex 32:32 "Yet now, if you will forgive their sin....; and if not, blot me, I pray you, out of Your book which you have written."

We certainly can be blotted out if we turn back to a sinful existence.

 

[mjrhealth]

If you are still sinning then you are not righteous. Claiming to be righteous doesn't make you righteous, obedience to the commands of God by actions make you righteous. Even Abraham, who believed, proved his righteousness that was imputed on him with actions. And indeed righteousness is granted not because of anything anyone has done, yet not because actions are not necessary, but because God has predestined who will be saved, so it is not from he who wills or runs, but he who God chose to grant mercy on. You not only lack knowledge in the necessity of obedience to the Law of God, but also the predestination of God.

Oh so you figurered it out, Yes am not of myself righteous, for no one will enter into heaven by there own righteousness, it is by His righteousness I can stand before and be a friend of God, and like all the lawyers that have ever being on this forum and proably every other forum, you cant answer teh question, do you still sin??? Why because like all of us, you still do, and if you said you did not than you would be a liar and still be sinning, but we know what Jesus said of teh lawyers,

Luk 11:46 And he said, Woe unto you also, ye lawyers! for ye lade men with burdens grievous to be borne, and ye yourselves touch not the burdens with one of your fingers.

which is what you are doing. Denying Gods grace and our Lords good works for your own works, denying Gods power , and striving to save yourself,

 

[mjrhealth]

NO...
All men have sinned is the absolute truth.
Fact, all men do not have to keep on sinning. We can make a choice and Christ was the example to show that man can choose to follow the narrow path with the guidance of the HS and succeed where man on his own has failed. You deny that Christ was a man like any of us and You are also denying that with the HS help we can choose to follow the righteous path and overcome sin just as Christ showed us.

Before you insist on laying this constant stumbling block before men. this one.

Act_15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment:

I ask you again, do you sin or not?, in fact do you know of anyone who does not sin?, than go and find one who has being with God ans ask then do they still sin, of course they do, its not about us, Men want to boast "look at me look at what i did". and that God will not have. But I dont expect an answer very few lawyers can answer that one.

2Co 12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
2Co 12:8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
2Co 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the

seems for many it is not enough, still trying to pay fro a free gift, which makes it no longer a gift.

 

[KBCid]

Before you insist on laying this constant stumbling block before men. this one.
I ask you again, do you sin or not?, in fact do you know of anyone who does not sin?, than go and find one who has being with God ans ask then do they still sin, of course they do, its not about us, Men want to boast "look at me look at what i did". and that God will not have. But I dont expect an answer very few lawyers can answer that one.

Stumbling block? Telling someone not to willingly sin is a stumbling block to you?
Do I sin? let me answer your question with the facts. If I know something is a sin I do not do it. If I sin by not knowing it then the HS lets me know its a sin and I don't do it any more. This is how the spirit works in man to bring them to perfection and a sinless state. Since none of us are God the Father we cannot avoid sinning in ways we do not yet understand but, that is the purpose for the helper to guide men into righteousness.
Now you also asked "do I know of anyone who does not sin" and this is truly a trick question because there is a difference between knowing your sinning and sinning in ways you don't understand. So my answer to your question is this;
I know people who once they understand how they are sinning will stop doing it and repent of there error and ask for forgiveness and then there are those I know who know they are sinning and commit the same sins every day knowing they are sinning and they still believe God will excuse such behavior and they speak the same words that you speak in saying that no one can stop sinning.

The desire of a being to want to be good like Christ is not a sin nor is it an attempt to trade actions for a ticket to the kingdom to come. God knows the difference between those who try to flatter them with words and those who from the heart desire to change from their sinful state and follow the ways of the role model that God provided for our example. That path is one that we freely choose to follow and actually make an effort to change from the evil of our past (this is what it means to repent) and such people will be given the helper to assist them to attain that goal.

People such as yourself who promote that no one can stop sinning are in fact asserting that it is beyond God's power to assist us in attaining perfection. The message you send in essence is that you know your sinning and have no compulsion to change from that path. Every day you will knowingly sin whether it be adultery in mind or body to hating others or to simply not Put God first in all things and you are committed to this reality being the only thing you can attain to since you will not ask God to help you change from that accepted state of being since for you making any attempt to change or control yourself is believed by you to be trying to follow a dead law.

For those of us that do understand what repentance means we chose to change from an evil state that we were in and turn to God for the helper to guide us on a path to righteousness not because we want to trade any righteousness we may attain to for a ticket to the kingdom but so that we may be ready to live in the kingdom should God grant us the free gift of salvation. This is our hope in Christ.

Now here is my questions to you;
If there is no laws for you to obey then what could you possibly repent of?
And if you assert that you have repented to become a Christian what exactly did you repent of?

Matthew 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them, “You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? 8 Bear fruit in keeping with repentance.

Isa 29:13 Therefore the Lord said: “Inasmuch as these people draw near with their mouths And honor Me with their lips, But have removed their hearts far from Me, And their fear toward Me is taught by the commandment of men

James 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. 24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Biblical Repentance/The Fruits of Repentance
D. Repentance Results in an Actual Turning from Sin
Fourth, the fruit of true Biblical repentance is an actual turning from sin. True repentance is a radical change of mind and heart that leads to a complete turnabout of our life. “He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy” (Pro 28:13). If I really hate sin and sorrow over it, then I shall forsake it. I shall take to heart Isaiah 55:7, which reads, “Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the Lord; and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.” This is the change of course which God requires. It will show itself in the repenting, believing sinner taking heed to the Word of God which says, “Flee fornication” (1Co 6:18); “Flee from idolatry” (1Co 10:14); “Flee the love of money” (2Ti 6:10-11); “Flee also youthful lusts” (2Ti 2:22). And it will also show itself in putting into practice the positive graces of following after “righteousness, faith, love, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart” (2Ti 2:22). My friend, the question be-fore us is—have you and I, from our hearts, actually turned from sin unto God?

E. Repentance Results in a Desire for Righteousness and Holiness
Fifth, the fruits of true Biblical repentance will be seen in a desire to put into practice the Scriptures that teach us to walk in righteousness and true holiness (Eph 4:24), and to be careful to maintain good works (Tit 3:8). This, to me, is one of the most distinguishing marks of true Biblical repentance: the desire to walk in a different way—a different course of life than we did before. We read in Hebrews 12:14, “Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord.” So by God’s grace we desire to follow after this peace and holiness because God has given us a new heart. In Matthew 1:21 we read that Christ came to save His people from their sins, not in their sins. So the heart of the true penitent cries unto God daily to be delivered from sin and self. Again, in Ephesians 1:4 we read, “He hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love.” So by God’s grace we desire to be holy, delivered from our sin and self-will. And in 1 Thessalonians 4:7 we read, “For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.” So by God’s grace, we desire to walk worthy of this calling unto holi-ness.

Then in 1 Thessalonians 4:3 we read that the will of God for our lives is for us to be sanctified- to be set apart for God’s holy use. So we desire by God’s grace to be separated from sin unto Christ. By desiring righteousness, walking in true holiness, and being careful to maintain good works, we manifest the fruits of Biblical repentance in our lives. For we read in Titus 2:11-12:

“The grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in this present world.”

Biblical Repentance/The Fruits of Repentance - Gospel Translations

 

[ScottA]

This study goes over why the Law of Moses has not been abolished, the differences between the old and new covenants, what it means to be circumcised in the heart, and to walk in spirit. The study can be found in English here The Law of Moses Has Not Been Abolished | Wisdom of God or in Spanish here La Ley de Moisés No Ha Sido Abolida | Sabiduria de Dios . Let us begin a discussion on these matters.

That was then, this is now.

Christ was the Last, the last born under the law. He also was the First, the first born of the spirit of God - in fact: the only begotten.

We, if we are in Christ, are in Christ because we have come into Him (and He into us). We too have been born again of the spirit of God...as He was the first of many. Yet, because there is only One begotten of the Father, we must come into Him. This is why He said, none come to the Father except through Him.

The law then, was against those chosen who were born of the flesh. But because Christ has overcome all things and fulfilled all that the law required, and we who are born again are born into Him after He did so, the law was never against us: not in the flesh, for we were not the chosen, and not in the spirit, for we were never subject to the law, but are of God, who is the law. For the law is not against itself, but against those who are against it. We are not born of the law of sin and death, but of God. God is for us.

 

[christiang]

That was then, this is now.

Christ was the Last, the last born under the law. He also was the First, the first born of the spirit of God - in fact: the only begotten.

We, if we are in Christ, are in Christ because we have come into Him (and He into us). We too have been born again of the spirit of God...as He was the first of many. Yet, because there is only One begotten of the Father, we must come into Him. This is why He said, none come to the Father except through Him.

The law then, was against those chosen who were born of the flesh. But because Christ has overcome all things and fulfilled all that the law required, and we who are born again are born into Him after He did so, the law was never against us: not in the flesh, for we were not the chosen, and not in the spirit, for we were never subject to the law, but are of God, who is the law. For the law is not against itself, but against those who are against it. We are not born of the law of sin and death, but of God. God is for us.

Do you still sin? If you do, then you are still under Law. Only those who are truly born of the Spirit are released from the Law, because they are freed from sin, yet freedom from sin does not mean disobedience to the Law, but rather, obedience to it, caused by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

 

[ScottA]

Do you still sin? If you do, then you are still under Law. Only those who are truly born of the Spirit are released from the Law, because they are freed from sin, yet freedom from sin does not mean disobedience to the Law, but rather, obedience to it, caused by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

1 John 3:6
Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.

In the days before and during the time of Christ, one was either of the chosen (of Israel) and under the law, or of the gentiles and not under the law. But today, and since the death of that last generation of whom Christ was the Last, the chosen are "the dead in Christ." What we have today and since then, are the gentiles (for these are the times of the gentiles), and also those who are not the chosen, but those who are born [again] of the spirit of God, born directly into God without adoption through the flesh.

In other words, we cannot choose ourselves, nor since Christ, is it even possible to be among the chosen - for He was the Last. Meaning that we being of the gentiles (not being of the chosen of Israel) are not under the law, and if we are born of the spirit of God, the law was never against God, but for Him, for He is perfect. As are we, if we are born of Him.

Therefore, the only way to be under the law during these times, is to choose ones self as chosen of God - which cannot be done.

 

[mjrhealth]

Stumbling block? Telling someone not to willingly sin is a stumbling block to you?
Do I sin? let me answer your question with the facts. If I know something is a sin I do not do it. If I sin by not knowing it then the HS lets me know its a sin and I don't do it any more. This is how the spirit works in man to bring them to perfection and a sinless state. Since none of us are God the Father we cannot avoid sinning in ways we do not yet understand but, that is the purpose for the helper to guide men into righteousness.
Now you also asked "do I know of anyone who does not sin" and this is truly a trick question because there is a difference between knowing your sinning and sinning in ways you don't understand. So my answer to your question is this;
I know people who once they understand how they are sinning will stop doing it and repent of there error and ask for forgiveness and then there are those I know who know they are sinning and commit the same sins every day knowing they are sinning and they still believe God will excuse such behavior and they speak the same words that you speak in saying that no one can stop sinning.

The desire of a being to want to be good like Christ is not a sin nor is it an attempt to trade actions for a ticket to the kingdom to come. God knows the difference between those who try to flatter them with words and those who from the heart desire to change from their sinful state and follow the ways of the role model that God provided for our example. That path is one that we freely choose to follow and actually make an effort to change from the evil of our past (this is what it means to repent) and such people will be given the helper to assist them to attain that goal.

People such as yourself who promote that no one can stop sinning are in fact asserting that it is beyond God's power to assist us in attaining perfection. The message you send in essence is that you know your sinning and have no compulsion to change from that path. Every day you will knowingly sin whether it be adultery in mind or body to hating others or to simply not Put God first in all things and you are committed to this reality being the only thing you can attain to since you will not ask God to help you change from that accepted state of being since for you making any attempt to change or control yourself is believed by you to be trying to follow a dead law.

For those of us that do understand what repentance means we chose to change from an evil state that we were in and turn to God for the helper to guide us on a path to righteousness not because we want to trade any righteousness we may attain to for a ticket to the kingdom but so that we may be ready to live in the kingdom should God grant us the free gift of salvation. This is our hope in Christ.

Now here is my questions to you;
If there is no laws for you to obey then what could you possibly repent of?
And if you assert that you have repented to become a Christian what exactly did you repent of?

Matthew 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to his baptism, he said to them, “You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the wrath to come? 8 Bear fruit in keeping with repentance.

Isa 29:13 Therefore the Lord said: “Inasmuch as these people draw near with their mouths And honor Me with their lips, But have removed their hearts far from Me, And their fear toward Me is taught by the commandment of men

James 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? 22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? 23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. 24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Biblical Repentance/The Fruits of Repentance
D. Repentance Results in an Actual Turning from Sin
Fourth, the fruit of true Biblical repentance is an actual turning from sin. True repentance is a radical change of mind and heart that leads to a complete turnabout of our life. “He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy” (Pro 28:13). If I really hate sin and sorrow over it, then I shall forsake it. I shall take to heart Isaiah 55:7, which reads, “Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the Lord; and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.” This is the change of course which God requires. It will show itself in the repenting, believing sinner taking heed to the Word of God which says, “Flee fornication” (1Co 6:18); “Flee from idolatry” (1Co 10:14); “Flee the love of money” (2Ti 6:10-11); “Flee also youthful lusts” (2Ti 2:22). And it will also show itself in putting into practice the positive graces of following after “righteousness, faith, love, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart” (2Ti 2:22). My friend, the question be-fore us is—have you and I, from our hearts, actually turned from sin unto God?

E. Repentance Results in a Desire for Righteousness and Holiness
Fifth, the fruits of true Biblical repentance will be seen in a desire to put into practice the Scriptures that teach us to walk in righteousness and true holiness (Eph 4:24), and to be careful to maintain good works (Tit 3:8). This, to me, is one of the most distinguishing marks of true Biblical repentance: the desire to walk in a different way—a different course of life than we did before. We read in Hebrews 12:14, “Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord.” So by God’s grace we desire to follow after this peace and holiness because God has given us a new heart. In Matthew 1:21 we read that Christ came to save His people from their sins, not in their sins. So the heart of the true penitent cries unto God daily to be delivered from sin and self. Again, in Ephesians 1:4 we read, “He hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love.” So by God’s grace we desire to be holy, delivered from our sin and self-will. And in 1 Thessalonians 4:7 we read, “For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.” So by God’s grace, we desire to walk worthy of this calling unto holi-ness.

Then in 1 Thessalonians 4:3 we read that the will of God for our lives is for us to be sanctified- to be set apart for God’s holy use. So we desire by God’s grace to be separated from sin unto Christ. By desiring righteousness, walking in true holiness, and being careful to maintain good works, we manifest the fruits of Biblical repentance in our lives. For we read in Titus 2:11-12:

“The grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in this present world.”

Biblical Repentance/The Fruits of Repentance - Gospel Translations

We are not talking about sin here are we but the law, you know that bit about teh law is made for sinners, not teh rightousess. As for Repentance, that is basically turining back to God and saying, "im wrong you are right. take me back". but that is not what christians do, to busy studying and condemning each other by the law or sin, yet you sin just like everyone else, and yet you sit here demanding that no one else does, so you are keeping yourself from God, because your sin is separating you from Him because you wont accept His grace and put on Christ robe of rightousness, than condemn all those that do. You have already being condmend by the law for you have chosen that over Gods grace.

Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

He is supposed to be your best friend not your enemy...

 

[kiwimac]

Then you ignore the Noahide instructions that the Early church gave to the first Gentile converts to Christianity.

Acts 15: …28 It seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us not to burden you with anything beyond these essential requirements: 29 You must abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals, from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things. Farewell.” 30 So the men were sent off and went down to Antioch, where they assembled the congregation and delivered the letter.…

ISV

 

[Richard_oti]

@christiang Good grief man, you have a very high opinion of yourself.
And to think... 40 years ago as a younger christian...I "was" you!!

Egads!!!

Not much has changed then eh ... <big grin> Just kidding.

 

[Richard_oti]

Go ahead and report me. You shun me away to your own loss, because you cannot stand to hear someone telling you THAT YOU ARE WRONG.

Is that what is known as "projection"? For I see that in you.

 

[Richard_oti]

I am being harsh with you that you may be saved. And you are stubborn, so I will deal with you harshly and not with gentleness.

So by your own words, I have your permission to be harsh with you, for you are stubborn, and do not see as well as you think you see.

 

[Richard_oti]

yet I am the one teaching exactly what is taught in scripture

Since I have your permission by your own words: You are deceiving yourself. You have a long way to go before you teach "exactly" what is taught in Scripture. You are missing the mark in more ways than you know. That is a fact.

 

[Rev20]

You apparently don't accept anything at all which is expected since you didn't answer whether adultery was under the new covenant or not nor whether even lusting in the heart is.

I replied. You are only upset because I will not play your silly teacher/student game.

If you want to be part of the new covenant (since there is only one covenant) then you are included in the entirety of what Christ said to the Jews since a Jew is not one outwardly according to Christ. If you deny the new covenant laws as inclusive and expanded by the two royal commands then you are choosing not to accept the new covenant and having those laws written in your heart.

I deny your interpretation was/is the intention of Christ and his New Covenant with the houses of Israel and Judah.

Rom 2:6Who will render to every man according to his deeds: 7To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: 8But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, 9Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; 10But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: 11For there is no respect of persons with God.

You forgot this part:

"Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things." -- Rom 2:1 KJV

The judgment Paul was referring to was the judgement of old covenant Israel, which ended in the destruction of Jerusalem, the apostasized Temple, and the ways of the old covenant, which some scholars have combined under the label, "the destruction of the Mosaic Economy". Remember, only those under the law were judged by the law:

"For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified." -- Rom 2:12-13 KJV

"But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons." -- Gal 4:4-5 KJV

But if you truly desire to be under the law, you should read Galatians 4 carefully, beginning here:

"Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?" -- Gal 4:21 KJV

Make certain you understand the consequences mentioned in this verse:

"Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman." -- Gal 4:30 KJV

Christ will indeed judge the natural Jews first and then its the gentiles turn to be judged by the exact same scale as the Jew was judged by. If you do evil by SINNING in either mind or body knowingly you too will pay a visit to the recycle bin.

Of course, everyone is judged according to their works. That was from old:

"Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil." -- Eccl 12:13-14 KJV

And his commandments are not grievous:

"Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous." -- 1John 5:1-3 KJV

"And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us." -- 1John 3:23-24 KJV

That is exactly what Jesus said:

"Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." -- Mat 22:36-40 KJV


I caution Christians to avoid the bondage of legalisms promoted by those who desire to lord over you in the manner of the first-century Pharisee. Remember, Abraham was NOT under the Sinaitic Covenant, nor are any of his children, even Israel, now that Christ (the husband) died to release Israel (the wife) from that covenant:

"Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth? For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband. So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man. Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God." -- Rom 7:1-4 KJV

The final nail in the coffin of the old covenant was hammered when the judgments found in the Song of Moses (Deut 32) were fulfilled, some of which Christ mentioned in Matt 23 and Luke 11.

Rev

 

[mjrhealth]

@Rev20 nice to see some do have ears to hear

God bless

 

[Rev20]

why to the Jew first then, someone will ask. gee Yogi, i thought there was no Jew or Gentile in the kingdom lol

Israel was/is the children of the covenant, and Christ promised to confirm the covenant with them for "one week" (seven years):

"And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate." -- Dan 9:27 KJV

The New Testament narrative begins as early as Luke 1:

"To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant; The oath which he sware to our father Abraham," -- Luk 1:72-73 KJV

"These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." -- Mat 10:5-6 KJV

"But [Jesus] answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." -- Mat 15:24 KJV

"For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins." -- Mat 26:28 KJV

Christ was cut off (killed) in the midst of the "week", so his disciples finished the confirmation by reminding Israel that Jesus came to take away their sins:

"Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed. Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities [sins]." -- Acts 3:25-26 KJV

Paul mentioned the part of the confirmation provided directly by Jesus:

"Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:" -- Rom 15:8 KJV

After covenant confirmation was completed, the Gentiles were allowed into the kingdom in the days of Cornelius (Acts 10).

Rev

 

[Richard_oti]

Obey now, before it is too late. Stop being stupid and finding ways to not obey the Law of God, you do so to your own destruction.

You would do well to heed your own advise. For I have seen you make excuses with certain things in so that you need not uphold the law with regard to them. As you have so judged, shall come back upon your own head.

 

[Richard_oti]

There is no command in the Law that you must wash your hands before eating. As such, that is a tradition of men, not a command of God.

Yet, there is a command with regard to the washing of hands. The same command from which the "tradition" came. Your silence with regard to my earlier post was deafening.


1Pe 2:9 But ye are a elect race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God's own possession, that ye may show forth the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

Tell me ChristianG, do you consider yourself to be a part of the "royal priesthood" spoken of above?

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Separating meat and cheese, however, is indeed a command of God, because it comes from "do not boil a kid in milk".

It comes from the same source as the washing of hands. You are upholding and insisting that others uphold that which is NOT there.


You clearly stated, and I quote:

I am the one teaching exactly what is taught in scripture

By which, you make yourself a liar. For you are not truly doing so. And yes, by your own words, I have your permission to be harsh.

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[Richard_oti]

No, he came confirming the Law that already existed, hence, "I did not come to abolish the Law", and changed this Law when he became high priest by changing how certain commands of this existing Law are observed, such as festivals and Sabbaths and circumcision. But this change is NOT, I repeat, NOT, an abolishment of that previous Law.

And there you go, making a clear statement that shabat has changed. Thus also, by which you excuse yourself of the fullness of it. In 1 Corinthians 5, Paul makes the clear admonishment, therefore let us keep the feast.

Everyone that replied to you, though it was done in kindness and in earnest, you retorted unto them in a manner that was less than becoming. And one of them, myself excluded, I know does in fact follow after the Instruction. Your replies showed no discernment on your part.