There is almost zero in here that looks anything like Christ

[bbyrd009]

I know you will not be persuaded by me or even the verse from 1 John

sorry, not even sure what i am supposed to consider being persuaded of here? You just tagged me, and didn't quote a post, so which post this is in reply to i dunno.

 

[bbyrd009]

HE does not call us sinners...WE do!

"If you do well, will not your countenance be lifted up? And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door; and its desire is for you, but you must master it."

 

[bbyrd009]

The law is against sin which leads unto death. In death the law is satisfied and we are free from it:

Romans 7:1-6
1 Or do you not know, brethren (for I speak to those who know the law), that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives? 2 For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of herhusband. 3 So then if, while her husband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man. 4 Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another—to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God. 5 For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death. 6 But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.

yes, so now the new way to declare "i am saved" will be to state "i have died to Christ," perhaps, but that does not make that true, just fashionable, i guess

strikes me that a way to check would be to find someone who claims to have died to Christ, and check for biases or whatever, hypocrisy.

 

[Helen]

"If you do well, will not your countenance be lifted up? And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door; and its desire is for you, but you must master it."

Oh come on!! That was Gen 4 OT and before God sent Jesus to remove sin!!
Sorry BEEEEeeeeeeeP lol
Youll have to do better than that

 

[bbyrd009]

6 But now we have been delivered from the law

i would argue that being delivered from something does not mean that it no longer exists. This is just the church garble @ law/grace, tbh, that seeks to rep that the law is no longer valid, or need not be followed, or that a proclaimer of Christ cannot possibly sin any longer, all yack

 

[bbyrd009]

Oh come on!! That was Gen 4 OT and before God sent Jesus to remove sin!!
Sorry BEEEEeeeeeeeP lol
Youll have to do better than that

Jesus removed sin? I don't think so.

God has changed, since Gen 4 was written? hmm

 

[bbyrd009]

But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by

see, you are being invited into a perspective here, without maybe realizing that there is a condition in there, it is conditional, and in order to assume the perspective you must first assume that you have met the conditions.

 

[bbyrd009]

“ If our heart condemn us not, then we have confidence toward God.”

i would like to point out that another perspective is being assumed here, i might call it "i don't feel guilty about anything, right now."

the point being that only one perspective is being addressed, and the fact that being made to see another's perspective from an unbiased position has not occurred in this perspective yet, most likely. Dunno if that makes any sense?

 

[bbyrd009]

Oh come on!! That was Gen 4 OT and before God sent Jesus to remove sin!!
Sorry BEEEEeeeeeeeP lol
Youll have to do better than that

um, if you prefer NT for this, no problem, gimme a minute

 

[bbyrd009]

Oh come on!! That was Gen 4 OT and before God sent Jesus to remove sin!!
Sorry BEEEEeeeeeeeP lol
Youll have to do better than that

2 Peter 2:20
For if, having escaped the world's impurity through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in these things and defeated, the last state is worse for them than the first.

and it is put other ways, you must overcome, etc. But i use this one because Pete makes it plain that there is a possibility of sinning after coming to the knowledge of Christ. Of course we mostly discount this into the realm of extreme unlikelyhood, rather than observing that it is prolly the prevailing state, but nonetheless.

 

[Helen]

Jesus removed sin? I don't think so.

God has changed, since Gen 4 was written? hmm

YES!!

Okay..if you don't like the word "removed" sin...how about the word CANCELLED? -
Col 2 "He canceled the record of the charges against us ( how ere they against us? What was against us? THE LAW) and took it out of the way nailing it to the cross."

Please Mark, tell me how if Jesus took it how you still are under the law and it's requirement? I am shaking my head...why do you not wish to believe Him?
Do you think He came and died for nothing, accomplishing nothing!

I just understand why you want to keep what Jesus took for you!!

 

[bbyrd009]

Please Mark, tell me how if Jesus took it how you still are under the law and it's requirement? I am shaking my head...why do you not wish to believe Him?

because having faith is harder; as Adam and Eve demonstrate at "Who told you that you were naked?" imo.

See, God's forgiveness was never in doubt; sin is not imputed.

Nonetheless, Adam and Eve were not able to accept this forgiveness; they needed a skin.
God did not need for them to have a skin, iow; they needed the skin.

 

[ScottA]

yes, so now the new way to declare "i am saved" will be to state "i have died to Christ," perhaps, but that does not make that true, just fashionable, i guess

strikes me that a way to check would be to find someone who claims to have died to Christ, and check for biases or whatever, hypocrisy.

I should think that would be like blaming a terminally ill person for things they say and do on the way to the grave.

 

[ScottA]

i would argue that being delivered from something does not mean that it no longer exists. This is just the church garble @ law/grace, tbh, that seeks to rep that the law is no longer valid, or need not be followed, or that a proclaimer of Christ cannot possibly sin any longer, all yack

Most of that is true according to the scriptures. No, indeed the law continues as long as there are those who are not born of God...but those who are born of God are not part of it. But do not misunderstand, the flesh continues in sin unto death, but the spirit continues in life: He must increase, but I must decrease.

 

[ScottA]

see, you are being invited into a perspective here, without maybe realizing that there is a condition in there, it is conditional, and in order to assume the perspective you must first assume that you have met the conditions.

The condition is Life, which we receive through Christ, being born again of the spirit of God.

 

[Sword]

I "liked" what you have said...not because I actually like it, but because it is very close to the truth - we, indeed leave a lot to be desired. We deserved every word. We do what we can...which certainly falls short. God forgive us.

Nonetheless, the profit that exist here, though it was never ours...He makes perfect in weakness.

God is good. God is faithful.

Its easy to tell who I mean that are misrepresenting christ and living for self. and its easy to see those who like you are pre pared to admit we all fall short. You are not one who I was pulling out out.

 

[mjrhealth]

Nonetheless, Adam and Eve were not able to accept this forgiveness; they needed a skin.
God did not need for them to have a skin, iow; they needed the skin.

The reason why we where put in this flesh,m was so that God in all His wisdom, could protect our spirit. just as a Jar protects the Wine on the inside. Unlike the fallen angels, there where created spirit, but left there first estate. for them there is no going back, they went form light to darkness. Us well God isnt concerned with teh outside, teh flesh, just teh precious cargo on teh inside. Unlike the pharisees and religious.

Mat_23:25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.

Man always starts on the outside trying to make the flesh look good, but it does nothing for teh inside, where God starts on the inside which can change the outside if one is willing to be changed.

 

[bbyrd009]

I should think that would be like blaming a terminally ill person for things they say and do on the way to the grave.

ha ya, guess it could, huh. I was thinking more like in a case of if you were looking for your next pastor or whatever

 

[bbyrd009]

Most of that is true according to the scriptures. No, indeed the law continues as long as there are those who are not born of God...but those who are born of God are not part of it.

ha so because there is an ideal to strive for at one end, and on the other end ppl are naturally hypocrites, we'll keep getting mixed messages, i guess.

 

[bbyrd009]

The condition is Life, which we receive through Christ, being born again of the spirit of God.

i would have said the condition was that one had died to self?

ha which incidentally brings up the point that no matter how much one might clarify, whatever is said can be taken more than one way; speaking in tongues