Every Believer Must Do Good Works and Proclaim the Gospel, Some Are Called to Teach

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And here it is again....those word "you must"...
I'll pass thank you....
 
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And here it is again....those word "you must"...
I'll pass thank you....

Then lady, don't feed the hungry and don't give to the poor. Any believer that refuses the teaching to do good unto others is despicable, and worse than an unbeliever.
 

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Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Jesus doesnt seem to agree??
 
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From John 6:
28. Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?”

29. Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”
 
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From John 6:
28. Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?”

29. Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”

Amen, well said. But those who don't want to hear it just wont hear it. They would rather labour under the weight of works.
 

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Amen, well said. But those who don't want to hear it just wont hear it. They would rather labour under the weight of works.

Now someone may argue, "Some people have faith; others have good deeds." But I say, "How can you show me your faith if you don't have good deeds? I will show you my faith by my good deeds." (James 2:18 [BLT])
 

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Then lady, don't feed the hungry and don't give to the poor. Any believer that refuses the teaching to do good unto others is despicable, and worse than an unbeliever.


Someone chooses not to be taught by you and you respond by calling them despicable and worst than a nonbeliever? You claim to be a teacher of the Word and this is the best you can do? Shame on you.


2 Timothy 2
24 And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient,


Colossians 4
6 Let your speech always be with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer each one.


Ephesians 4
29 Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth, but what is good for necessary edification, that it may impart grace to the hearers.
30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
31 Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice.
32 And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you.


James 3
1 My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment.
2 For we all stumble in many things. If anyone does not stumble in word, he is a perfect man, able also to bridle the whole body.




I see none of these attributes in your words to @"ByGrace".

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Someone chooses not to be taught by you and you respond by calling them despicable and worst than a nonbeliever? You claim to be a teacher of the Word and this is the best you can do? Shame on you.


2 Timothy 2
24 And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient,


Colossians 4
6 Let your speech always be with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer each one.


Ephesians 4
29 Let no corrupt word proceed out of your mouth, but what is good for necessary edification, that it may impart grace to the hearers.
30 And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.
31 Let all bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking be put away from you, with all malice.
32 And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God in Christ forgave you.


James 3
1 My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment.
2 For we all stumble in many things. If anyone does not stumble in word, he is a perfect man, able also to bridle the whole body.




I see none of these attributes in your words to @"ByGrace".

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Anyone who does not provide for their relatives, and especially for their own household, has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever. (1 Timothy 5:8 [NIV])

Whoever closes his ear to the cry of the poor will himself call out and not be answered. (Proverbs 21:13 [ESV])

Whoever rejects the teaching concerning giving to the poor and feeding the hungry is worse than an unbeliever, because on such things is what the gospel of Jesus Christ is premised, loving your neighbor as yourself and serving others. I cannot begin to stress the requirement of good works for anyone that calls themselves a "believer". All day long you people claim to believe in God and have the love of God, yet you deny the need of having to feed the hungry?

If anyone has material possessions and sees a brother or sister in need but has no pity on them, how can the love of God be in that person? Dear children, let us not love with words or speech but with actions and in truth. (1 John 3:17-18 [NIV])
 

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"Good News! You have to do some stuff, or you are going to hell!"

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No, don't even inject this nonsense about going to hell because of or lack of Good works. one salvation do not hang on Good works. listen. 2 Timothy 1:9 "Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began". I suggest many re-read that verse over and over. neither one's salvation nor one's calling are according to the works of men. but his Purpose. now because we're save we "SHOULD" show some fruit/Good works, but it's not us but him in us who do the work.

#1. you're saved. so that nonsense about the lack of Good work is reproved.
#2. you're CALLED with a holy calling
all these thing are "not according to our works"

now, addressing the OP, scripture, Read all of Romans chapter 12.
 
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No, don't even inject this nonsense about going to hell because of or lack of Good works. one salvation do not hang on Good works. listen. 2 Timothy 1:9 "Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began". I suggest many re-read that verse over and over. neither one's salvation nor one's calling are according to the works of men. but his Purpose. now because we're save we "SHOULD" show some fruit/Good works, but it's not us but him in us who do the work.

#1. you're saved. so that nonsense about the lack of Good work is reproved.
#2. you're CALLED with a holy calling
all these thing are "not according to our works"

now, addressing the OP, scripture, Read all of Romans chapter 12.

We are not saved according to works because we are saved according to the election of God you knitwit, before the foundation of the world, before anyone has done good or evil, hence,

So then it is not of the one wanting, nor of the one running, but of the showing mercy of God. (Romans 9:16 [ABP])

So you see, God chooses to show mercy to some… (Romans 9:18 [NLT])

For he says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion.” (Romans 9:15 [NIV])

even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love (Ephesians 1:4 [ESV])

And it is because of being chosen by God, that we then do good works, to prove our belief,

...you see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by his works; and the Scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”—and he was called a friend of God. You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. And in the same way was not also Rahab the prostitute justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way? For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead. (James 2:14-26 [ESV])

Believers who look upon a homeless man who has nothing to eat and say, "I don't have to give to this man because I don't have to do good", are absolutely DESPICABLE AND WORTHY OF THE JUDGMENT OF HELL, FOR THEY TWIST SCRIPTURE TO JUSTIFY THEIR LAZINESS AND NOT WANTING TO HELP OTHERS,

If among you, one of your brothers should become poor, in any of your towns within your land that the LORD your God is giving you, you shall not harden your heart or shut your hand against your poor brother, but you shall open your hand to him and lend him sufficient for his need, whatever it may be. Take care lest there be an unworthy thought in your heart and you say, ‘The seventh year, the year of release is near,’ and your eye look grudgingly on your poor brother, and you give him nothing, and he cry to the LORD against you, and you be guilty of sin. (Deuteronomy 15:7-9 [ESV])

If anyone, then, knows the good they ought to do and doesn’t do it, it is sin for them. (James 4:17 [NIV])
 

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All day long you people claim to believe in God and have the love of God, yet you deny the need of having to feed the hungry?


Seriously? You saw that in these words? "And here it is again....those word "you must"... I'll pass thank you...."

As hard as I tried, I don't see it. Perhaps you could point it out?



Whoever rejects the teaching concerning giving to the poor and feeding the hungry is worse than an unbeliever, because on such things is what the gospel of Jesus Christ is premised, loving your neighbor as yourself and serving others.


You're promoting a gospel of "works". Here's what Jesus said about those who have this mindset.


Matthew 7
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’
23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’




I won't deny, and no one else will either, that the need does exist. But to call us despicable because we don't wish to read your 270 page sermon is ridiculous. How many people have you personally fed today? Whose computer are you using to deliver your words?

I ask that because Jesus said,



Matthew 19
21 Jesus said to him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”



Have you done that? Have you given all your material possessions to the needy? Are you living in the streets, hunkered down with the homeless? I'm gonna take a wild guess and say, no you're not.

Here's something else Jesus said.



Matthew 25
35 for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in;
36 I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.



Have you accomplished any of these? How many times have you visited those who are sick? How many times have ministered to those in prison? How often do you provide clothing for the needy? How many extra shirts and pants do you have hanging in your closet? How often do you take in the homeless to share your living quarters? How often do you do any of these things?

Pointing an accusing finger and calling us despicable is in itself despicable.



Matthew 7
5 Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.




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Seriously? You saw that in these words? "And here it is again....those word "you must"... I'll pass thank you...."

As hard as I tried, I don't see it. Perhaps you could point it out?






You're promoting a gospel of "works". Here's what Jesus said about those who have this mindset.


Matthew 7
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’
23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’




I won't deny, and no one else will either, that the need does exist. But to call us despicable because we don't wish to read your 270 page sermon is ridiculous. How many people have you personally fed today? Whose computer are you using to deliver your words?

I ask that because Jesus said,



Matthew 19
21 Jesus said to him, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell what you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”



Have you done that? Have you given all your material possessions to the needy? Are you living in the streets, hunkered down with the homeless? I'm gonna take a wild guess and say, no you're not.

Here's something else Jesus said.



Matthew 25
35 for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in;
36 I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.



Have you accomplished any of these? How many times have you visited those who are sick? How many times have ministered to those in prison? How often do you provide clothing for the needy? How many extra shirts and pants do you have hanging in your closet? How often do you take in the homeless to share your living quarters? How often do you do any of these things?

Pointing an accusing finger and calling us despicable is in itself despicable.



Matthew 7
5 Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.




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DOES the will of my Father is ACTIONS, hence "DOES". And yes, absolutely I have done good works. Not to boast of good works that I do, but that I may lay an example for YOU, I always set aside cash to hand out to the homeless on the street. Sometimes I will go so far as to buy food at restaurants if I see a homeless man laying out on the street next to any eating place. Just the other day I gave a lady money to make her car payment because she was sick and was unable to work. THIS is how you DO good works, which we are COMMANDED TO BE FULL OF. There are MANY WAYS TO DO GOOD WORKS, AND EACH WILL YIELD DIFFERENT MEASURES OF GOOD WORKS. Whoever believes in Jesus Christ, yet denies the need to have to SHOW the love of God WITH ACTIONS is WORSE than an unbeliever. Yes, WORSE THAN AN UNBELIEVER.
 

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Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Jesus doesnt seem to agree??


Doing good works involves using the gifts you were given. Those who didn't, Jesus said they will not enter the kingdom of God.

Matthew 25:14-30 (KJV)
14 For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.
15 And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey.
16 Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents.
17 And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two.
18 But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord's money.
19 After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them.
20 And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more.
21 His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
22 He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them.
23 His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
24 Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:
25 And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.
26 His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
27 Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.
28 Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.
29 For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
 

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This is what I find in most Christian circles. And this is the reason I left some Churches. Someone makes a valid scriptural point. And the rest come and pull it apart and add on thinks that were not said.

OP said we have works to do, with scripture. Then along comes others and add to what HE never said.
OP quoted scripture then it looks like someone disagrees and adds the word hell. OP never mention hell But only quoted what God said in His word.
The ByGrace says I think I will pass. Well we do have free will to do good works or not. I would rather do good than not.
I am not sure why the OPs post is so offencive to so many.
Then table talk adds to scriptures as if also coming against OP.
Those two scriptures don't do justice to either side of this debate. They are misleading and implying we have nothing to do.
Scripture is clear we do in fact have work to do while here on earth. Believing on Jesus, is to follow Jesus and do the things He did.

ByGrace then say Those who don't want to hear wont. That works both ways.

There is a awful lot of confusion in this one thread. I cant see how anyone looking for Christ can get understanding in this type of confusion.

What we are doing here is using scripture to prove people wrong. Its not nice to read at all.
 

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(To 101G)
We are not saved according to works because we are saved according to the election of God you knitwit, before the foundation of the world, before anyone has done good or evil, hence,
I am becoming amazed that anyone bother to answer you any more.
You cannot answer civilly , you are rude and arrogant...you call people degrading names. bbyrd009 you have called an idiot twice, @101G you have called a knitwit..and others too.
You are trying to be so positive in what you ( wrongly) believe about God and what His plan is and how He unfolds it...while showing yourself to be the names you have called others being knitwit and idiot....you show yourself so immature and just like a child in a playground calling name.
And the rubbish you try to pass off by saying " This is in love" shows just how deluded you are. You just cant help but bring discussions into the personal by attacking people. You must have been a horrible bully as a child, it must have worked, because you continue now...but call yourself Christian and have the gall to talk about "good works!!" How the heck do you think your are fooling?
Not us, we all see through you...you are just fooling yourself.