Co- Redemptrix

[bbyrd009]

All liars use this pathetic accuse; "taken out of context".

oh, i hope you understand that i was not calling you a liar, ok, that is not what i was referring to at all

 

[bbyrd009]

ibid

i totally agree

 

[michaelvpardo]

Aren't the above two statements somewhat contradictory?




Is "reflexive" a reaction of "spirit" or of "flesh"? No offense intended.

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However, I do concur regarding the great price that was paid!

No, and reflexes are built in. Maybe that's an indicator of a carnal response, but whenever someone sows to the flesh what will that person reap? Would you be offended if you saw a person spit on a cross? What if you witnesses an insult to your spouse or a child? How much more should you feel for Christ?

 

[michaelvpardo]

For the purpose of clarity, a man must respond to the grace given by God. God only gives grace to men of good will.

Apocalypse 3:20 Behold, I stand at the gate, and knock. If any man shall hear my voice, and open to me the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

God does not give graces to men of bad will. Men of good will do seek God.

Acts 16:6-10 And when they had passed through Phrygia, and the country of Galatia, they were forbidden by the Holy Ghost to preach the word in Asia. And when they were come into Mysia, they attempted to go into Bythynia, and the Spirit of Jesus suffered them not. And when they had passed through Mysia, they went down to Troas. [9] And a vision was shewed to Paul in the night, which was a man of Macedonia standing and beseeching him, and saying: Pass over into Macedonia, and help us. And as soon as he had seen the vision, immediately we sought to go into Macedonia, being assured that God had called us to preach the gospel to them.

I've already made my arguments from scripture and have to agree with God. It's his word that you're contradicting. E.G.: Romans 3:11, Luke 18:19, etc.
Or maybe I'm just misunderstanding what you're saying. How can a man, born to a sinful nature, have good will unless God gives him such a will? (our will remains subject to our nature.)

 

[amadeus]

There is only one way to use it. This is my point. What I cited is just a scratch on the surface. The vatican II sect was prophesied!! Easily, it can be proven.

No, you don't understand me at all if you believe you can prove that to me. Lots of people can supposedly prove their point using the Bible and their own human intellect... yet they frequently disagree with each other.

Only God can prove His Way to anyone. When He really does, the usual result when the recipient of proof tries to share it would be similar to the acceptance of Jesus by the Leaders of Judaism 2000 years ago.

 

[amadeus]

Amadeus, I intend to lay out that the Chair of St. Peter is vacant. The bible makes it so clear.

I will read what you write if it is not too lengthy or complicated, but don't expect it to be accepted. I would not do it on this thread as it would completely derail it.

 

[truth333]

I've already made my arguments from scripture and have to agree with God. It's his word that you're contradicting. E.G.: Romans 3:11, Luke 18:19, etc.
Or maybe I'm just misunderstanding what you're saying.

How can a man, born to a sinful nature, have good will unless God gives him such a will? (our will remains subject to our nature.)

Luke 2:14 Glory to God in the highest; and on earth peace to men of goodwill.

 

[bbyrd009]

ah; i wonder if we're brothers now?

 

[Richard_oti]

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2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means, for unless there come a revolt first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition,"

There is only one way to use it. This is my point. What I cited is just a scratch on the surface. The vatican II sect was prophesied!! Easily, it can be proven.

According to your "perception(s)". I have seen many in essence attempt to claim "there is only one way to use it" according to their "perceptions". Just as such could allegedly be "proven" with regard to yourself or to myself. IOW: You are seeing this from a given "perspective", which limits your ability to see it from a broader "perspective". For your "perspective" has already begged the question.

I have seen you quote many of old. Including Augustine, of whom also wrote that mathematicians have made a covenant with the devil ... [De Genesi ad Litteram, Book II].
The point being, is that we may quote those who have gone before all we like, though we generally quote only that which supports that which we want to see, and don't represent the entire picture of the one we quote.

Just as I have seen you attempt to use Daniel in support of your "perspective(s)", which has limited you from seeing that the parts of Daniel [and also Maccabees] they you have ascribed to this are actually with regard to Greece and Greece alone. Those portions you cited in support of your position do not actually support it, thus demonstrating a limited "perspective" upon the matter.

 

[Richard_oti]

No, and reflexes are built in. Maybe that's an indicator of a carnal response, but whenever someone sows to the flesh what will that person reap?

So if someone were to slap us hard across the face, what is the "reflexive" reaction, and what should be the desired reaction?

Would you be offended if you saw a person spit on a cross?

No. I have grown well beyond such. Too many have attempted to do as much in order to attempt to get a "reaction / reflex" from me. Nor do I worship a "cross / nehushtan". [to borrow from @bbyrd009].

What if you witnesses an insult to your spouse or a child?

My wife has passed on. So feel free to attempt to do so.

How much more should you feel for Christ?

And to Peter, it was said get me behind me satan for his "feelings".

 

[truth333]

According to your "perception(s)". I have seen many in essence attempt to claim "there is only one way to use it" according to their "perceptions". Just as such could allegedly be "proven" with regard to yourself or to myself. IOW: You are seeing this from a given "perspective", which limits your ability to see it from a broader "perspective". For your "perspective" has already begged the question.

I have seen you quote many of old. Including Augustine, of whom also wrote that mathematicians have made a covenant with the devil ... [De Genesi ad Litteram, Book II].
The point being, is that we may quote those who have gone before all we like, though we generally quote only that which supports that which we want to see, and don't represent the entire picture of the one we quote.

Just as I have seen you attempt to use Daniel in support of your "perspective(s)", which has limited you from seeing that the parts of Daniel [and also Maccabees] they you have ascribed to this are actually with regard to Greece and Greece alone. Those portions you cited in support of your position do not actually support it, thus demonstrating a limited "perspective" upon the matter.

LOL!!! You just can't make this stuff up, you are amazing! Greece and Greece alone ..., Lol! Please, ingratiate me and give me the whole picture as you say!?

 

[Richard_oti]

LOL!!! You just can't make this stuff up, you are amazing! Greece and Greece alone ..., Lol! Please, ingratiate me and give me the whole picture as you say!?

If I were to show you, could you accept it?

Daniel 11:3, who specifically is being spoken of?

Daniel 8:24, who specifically is being spoken of?

 

[truth333]

i totally agree

I love how you falsely create a reply for me 'Ibid'. Very deceitful.

 

[truth333]

If I were to show you, could you accept it?

Daniel 11:3, who specifically is being spoken of?

Daniel 8:24, who specifically is being spoken of?

No of course not because you would be speaking from a secular perspective. I have been speaking from the religious perspective i.e. Davidic monarchy. Protesters are secular and carnal, thats all you have, just like those in 1 Samuel ch. 8.
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[Richard_oti]

No of course not because you would be speaking from a secular perspective. I have been speaking from the religious perspective i.e. Davidic monarchy. Protesters are secular and carnal, thats all you have, just like those in 1 Samuel ch. 8.
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Then why ask that I ingratiate you and give you the whole picture?

And I notice that you did not respond to two very simple questions. The text itself makes clear the answer to the first. And Maccabees which you have quoted elsewhere, makes clear the answer to the second question.

 

[truth333]

Then why ask that I ingratiate you and give you the whole picture?

And I notice that you did not respond to two very simple questions. The text itself makes clear the answer to the first. And Maccabees which you have quoted elsewhere, makes clear the answer to the second question.

Its funny how you will not give detail. Lol!

 

[Richard_oti]

Its funny how you will not give detail. Lol!

According to your own words: "No of course not".
Yet neither do you attempt to answer.

 

[michaelvpardo]

So if someone were to slap us hard across the face, what is the "reflexive" reaction, and what should be the desired reaction?




No. I have grown well beyond such. Too many have attempted to do as much in order to attempt to get a "reaction / reflex" from me. Nor do I worship a "cross / nehushtan". [to borrow from @bbyrd009].




My wife has passed on. So feel free to attempt to do so.


And to Peter, it was said get me behind me satan for his "feelings".

Peter wasn't rebuked for his feelings, but for trying to convince Jesus that He shouldn't do the Father's will.
" You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul and with all your strength. "
If you've "grown" beyond that you have my sympathies.

 

[michaelvpardo]

Luke 2:14 Glory to God in the highest; and on earth peace to men of goodwill.

You quoted the verse before, but haven't explained where goodwill comes from in men who have been born to a sinful nature. "There is no one good but God. "

 

[Richard_oti]

<snip>
" You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul and with all your strength. "

Indeed!

If you've "grown" beyond that you have my sympathies.

Thank you. I just don't take such personally. And there are those, who intentionally shall do / say things designed to elicit a response.

May a blessing be upon your home and your heart.