Can a Christian be only partly saved?

[pastor marty]

I hope you mean just this thread.
I'm not a mean person but I do get aggravated sometimes when persons say really silly things in a personal way when they don't even know me.
I'm Christian but I'm not perfect.

So instead of saying mean things, I tend to say sarcastic things.
I thought asking if the poster liked my lipstick color would lighten things up a bit. I do hope you know that's not really me up there and that's not really the color lipstick I wear?

Anyway, come back. You're pretty sarcastic yourself !!
I enjoy your posts.

Back after a 14 hr, snooze,I'm in awe of both U "GRACE's"& that's not the real Godz/G photograph??* yerrite abt my sarcasm;also.People think abt. a snarky quip who would B deaf 2 critisim;condemnation or even approval.Works on killers & their lawers/pontificating preachers & politicians(major demons) as well as sweet honest folk who just let the devil ruffle their feathers & are feeling put upon (understandingly so)What say we all blow our noses,good stretch;AAAHH ! there... now anybody got any good news ???? shalom <m>

 

[GodsGrace]

Back after a 14 hr, snooze,I'm in awe of both U "GRACE's"& that's not the real Godz/G photograph??* yerrite abt my sarcasm;also.People think abt. a snarky quip who would B deaf 2 critisim;condemnation or even approval.Works on killers & their lawers/pontificating preachers & politicians(major demons) as well as sweet honest folk who just let the devil ruffle their feathers & are feeling put upon (understandingly so)What say we all blow our noses,good stretch;AAAHH ! there... now anybody got any good news ???? shalom <m>

Yeah. I have some good news.
Jesus established HIS Kingdom here on this earth.
Happy are they who belong to it !!
(you sound very relaxed)

 

[pastor marty]

Yeah. I have some good news.
Jesus established HIS Kingdom here on this earth.
Happy are they who belong to it !!
(you sound very relaxed)

And I'm still tryin' 2 figgur out if it's the #11 0r #31 bus that gets me there,(the Kingdom,,)

 

[michaelvpardo]

Goodness...I wish you lived just up the road... Not everyone understands this that you wrote it.
Good post.

Thanks, I believe that the Lord will do this with everyone who receives Him by faith, but some people make little progress simply for lack of spending time in scripture and lack of applying scripture to life, trying to walk obediently with our Savior. It's like Bible study. I've found that the Lord shows me things to apply to my life pretty regularly, but if I ignore Him, He'll just keep teaching me the same lesson over and over. If I'm engaged in sharing what He's taught me (and also in putting it to practice) He shows me all the more. He doesn't give us knowledge and understanding just to have it, but as a stewardship as well for His body to help others along who aren't as diligent or sometimes as capable.

 

[Helen]

@michaelvpardo ...Amen! Agree.

 

[GodsGrace]

And I'm still tryin' 2 figgur out if it's the #11 0r #31 bus that gets me there,(the Kingdom,,)

Any bus leads to the Kingdom, as long as the Holy Spirit is driving...

 

[GodsGrace]

I started reading scripture as a child at about the same time that I participated in my "1st Holy Communion" in the RCC. Some things were written plainly and were easy to understand, but when it came to the prophets and parables, I was often frustrated and confused. I loved the things that Jesus said, but couldn't relate Him to the God that ordered Israel to put the Caananites to "the ban." Many things in scripture seemed contradictory to me as well. When I finally understood and received the good news of salvation , when I committed my soul to Jesus ' care and my life to His service, at the age of 39, I spent 3 years just reading through scripture repeatedly from Genesis to the book of the Revelation and was delighted that the Lord just kept showing me Himself in the pages. Since that time I've never stopped reading the word for more than a few days at a time, and 22 years later the Lord is still opening my eyes to newer understanding and newer applications of His word. I don't spend as much time with prayer requests as I did when I was younger, but prayer is communication with God, so I'd agree that meditation upon His word with illumination by His Spirit is prayer, and prayer in which you receive understanding from Him without necessarily asking. I also just talk to the Lord quite a bit and try to thank Him for every good thing I encounter (and sometimes for the bad things as well as I trust that it's all working for good in the end.)
Thank you for your posts. I believe that you have a pretty mature understanding of the Lord and His way.

Michael,
I taught our faith to children. Catholic children. I can't remember if I've already told you this..if so, sorry for the repeat.
I wanted to tell you that the priest here gave me carte blache to teach what I wanted. Also to a couple of other catechists. We felt the Catechism book was too shaollow.

It certainly didn't teach what you're speaking about above. You never heard the salvation message. All we used to hear is sins, what is sinning, how sinful we are and how we'll go to the hot place if we don't shape up.

My kids learned about the love of God and how He made everything with love. They also learned about sin and how not to use it to hurt Him. I think they fared better than I did when I was also growing up Catholic. (why I was teaching in a catholic church is a long story but the priest knows I'm a little bit Protestant...)

Putting the Caananites to the ban is a whole different story.
However, look at it this way. Because of pressure from Britain, Israel let the Palestinians stay on their home turf back in the 40's.
Look how it's ended up. So God always knows the right thing to do.

But Jesus is our ultimate revelation. We can know God only through Him. The O.T. is not enough. Revelation was in progression.

I enjoy your posts.

 

[michaelvpardo]

Michael,
I taught our faith to children. Catholic children. I can't remember if I've already told you this..if so, sorry for the repeat.
I wanted to tell you that the priest here gave me carte blache to teach what I wanted. Also to a couple of other catechists. We felt the Catechism book was too shaollow.

It certainly didn't teach what you're speaking about above. You never heard the salvation message. All we used to hear is sins, what is sinning, how sinful we are and how we'll go to the hot place if we don't shape up.

My kids learned about the love of God and how He made everything with love. They also learned about sin and how not to use it to hurt Him. I think they fared better than I did when I was also growing up Catholic. (why I was teaching in a catholic church is a long story but the priest knows I'm a little bit Protestant...)

Putting the Caananites to the ban is a whole different story.
However, look at it this way. Because of pressure from Britain, Israel let the Palestinians stay on their home turf back in the 40's.
Look how it's ended up. So God always knows the right thing to do.

But Jesus is our ultimate revelation. We can know God only through Him. The O.T. is not enough. Revelation was in progression.

I enjoy your posts.

Thanks. The Old Testament is tough for a child to understand, but I loved the stories That I was taught in "Catechism" about King David and his fight with Goliath, Samson and his great strength, Solomon who asked for wisdom, etc. Those men were heroes to me and role models, but my mind was carnal and incapable of seeing things from God's perspective. As a child I wasn't aware of the evil things that the Caananites did as the scripture wasn't very explicit in describing their sexual immorality and their human sacrifices and infantacides. Part of getting to know God and gaining the mind of Christ is getting a "heavenly" or "eternal" perspective on things, something that scripture says is impossible for the unredeemed mind to grasp. The scripture also speaks of a veil over the eyes which is lifted in Christ, and in my experience the scripture is entirely true.

 

[Helen]

Any bus leads to the Kingdom, as long as the Holy Spirit is driving...

Not sure I can agree with that one...
There are many 'buses' out there..and not all Drivers are the Holy Spirit but they are "look-alikes"...that fool so many!
So, check the Driver out very carefully before boarding!!

 

[GodsGrace]

Not sure I can agree with that one...
There are many 'buses' out there..and not all Drivers are the Holy Spirit but they are "look-alikes"...that fool so many!
So, check the Driver out very carefully before boarding!!

OK.
Acts 17:11

 

[GodsGrace]

Thanks. The Old Testament is tough for a child to understand, but I loved the stories That I was taught in "Catechism" about King David and his fight with Goliath, Samson and his great strength, Solomon who asked for wisdom, etc. Those men were heroes to me and role models, but my mind was carnal and incapable of seeing things from God's perspective. As a child I wasn't aware of the evil things that the Caananites did as the scripture wasn't very explicit in describing their sexual immorality and their human sacrifices and infantacides. Part of getting to know God and gaining the mind of Christ is getting a "heavenly" or "eternal" perspective on things, something that scripture says is impossible for the unredeemed mind to grasp. The scripture also speaks of a veil over the eyes which is lifted in Christ, and in my experience the scripture is entirely true.

Amen!
Great point about the Caananites.
Some might object to animal sacrifices until they find out what other cultures did. (as you stated).

(I concentrated on the N.T.)

 

[michaelvpardo]

Amen!
Great point about the Caananites.
Some might object to animal sacrifices until they find out what other cultures did. (as you stated).

(I concentrated on the N.T.)

When I started using the word hypocrite in application to nuns and priests, my mom took away the copy of the NKJ bible that I was reading, but pop gave me his pocket NT and psalms (army issue) and pop wasn't especially religious. I was also surprised and a bit confused when I got my hands on a Gideons Bible and found that it read differently. I didn't realize there were different translations.

 

[GodsGrace]

When I started using the word hypocrite in application to nuns and priests, my mom took away the copy of the NKJ bible that I was reading, but pop gave me his pocket NT and psalms (army issue) and pop wasn't especially religious. I was also surprised and a bit confused when I got my hands on a Gideons Bible and found that it read differently. I didn't realize there were different translations.

I had never read the bible at the time I was born again.
But it looks like we might have shared part of the road to get here to where we are...

 

[pastor marty]

Any bus leads to the Kingdom, as long as the Holy Spirit is driving...

When I started using the word hypocrite in application to nuns and priests, my mom took away the copy of the NKJ bible that I was reading, but pop gave me his pocket NT and psalms (army issue) and pop wasn't especially religious. I was also surprised and a bit confused when I got my hands on a Gideons Bible and found that it read differently. I didn't realize there were different translations.

Hari K. (the Advocate) don't drive.He's got a myopic Italian Cherub chauffer who scares the hell out of vehicles going the other way ! & I compared all the stuff all the mis-translations share; along w/all the good stuff in the Vedas/annoying Apocgryphas (Not official CATH party line)& everybody elses Holy words & came up w/a gen. synopsis of "Everything U ever wanted 2 NO;abt. everything U ever wanted 2 KNOW !""gottit ??? <m>

 

[pastor marty]

Michael,
I taught our faith to children. Catholic children. I can't remember if I've already told you this..if so, sorry for the repeat.
I wanted to tell you that the priest here gave me carte blache to teach what I wanted. Also to a couple of other catechists. We felt the Catechism book was too shaollow.

It certainly didn't teach what you're speaking about above. You never heard the salvation message. All we used to hear is sins, what is sinning, how sinful we are and how we'll go to the hot place if we don't shape up.

My kids learned about the love of God and how He made everything with love. They also learned about sin and how not to use it to hurt Him. I think they fared better than I did when I was also growing up Catholic. (why I was teaching in a catholic church is a long story but the priest knows I'm a little bit Protestant...)

Putting the Caananites to the ban is a whole different story.
However, look at it this way. Because of pressure from Britain, Israel let the Palestinians stay on their home turf back in the 40's.
Look how it's ended up. So God always knows the right thing to do.

But Jesus is our ultimate revelation. We can know God only through Him. The O.T. is not enough. Revelation was in progression.

I enjoy your posts.

& when GOD made EVE 4 Adam the addle-brained did HE give them a good long Cath. lecture abt. being carnal minded so's they could invent guilt abt.sex which even the critters were allowed 2 enjoy ?? Remember;St. Paul had a jewish mother;enuff 2 make any kid dislike/fear women...Listen 2 him enuff ya get the idea all parents go 2 hell 4 makin' babies & havn'.fun doin'it.& all that gals can't preach stuff/Don't God have a lady Prophet in the OT.?How many NT epistles are written 2 women Christian leaders in various citys (Paul musta hated that)I'd rather have a Holy Woman than a pedophile !!! Me & my Saraphim(small voice in head) & great Spiritu agree ! Rest o'U can get on board or buy lotsa SPF 150 cause I understand the UV rays down there are worse than the fire & heat !! <m> (sumbody said,,, in the flesh/carnal/all her fault/keep'em barefoot'pregnant & illiterate(like a good Muslim gal) & my ;"not w/my sis,U don't, meter got tweaked ") My shrink calls it "lone Ranger syndrome" gotta go/meds/Pacem et Terra ! <m>

 

[michaelvpardo]

Hari K. (the Advocate) don't drive.He's got a myopic Italian Cherub chauffer who scares the hell out of vehicles going the other way ! & I compared all the stuff all the mis-translations share; along w/all the good stuff in the Vedas/annoying Apocgryphas (Not official CATH party line)& everybody elses Holy words & came up w/a gen. synopsis of "Everything U ever wanted 2 NO;abt. everything U ever wanted 2 KNOW !""gottit ??? <m>

I've read the "gita", some of the translated vedas, the Tao te Ching, Chuang Tsu, the Tibetan Book of the dead, the Egyptian book of the dead, the writings of Kung Fu Tsu, the Quran, the gospel according to Thomas, as well as a lot of other philosophical and religious garbage, but the Bible is unique, the inspired word of God. gottit?

 

[pastor marty]

I've read the "gita", some of the translated vedas, the Tao te Ching, Chuang Tsu, the Tibetan Book of the dead, the Egyptian book of the dead, the writings of Kung Fu Tsu, the Quran, the gospel according to Thomas, as well as a lot of other philosophical and religious garbage, but the Bible is unique, the inspired word of God. gottit?

The parts that coincide/agree w/The Torah aren't garbage.Dint GOD say He'd pour is spirit?wisdom out on all flesh ?? Even heathen cannibals get some of it rite.. (thou shalt not eat family members/unless there's a famine)Relax,Mike,I'm not disrespectin the dead sea scolls.The"Original"scriptures are of GOD//no question.Shall I give U a one line boo-boo that got millions killed and only recently(DSS again)all Biblical scholars agree was a real case o'the devil shifting words around ???After 18 hrs. by candlelight one tired Irish (well meaning) monk missed a greek nuance a prev. Cath. scribe had already botched & BINGO;;the Auto de Fea (Inquisition) was started.The Burmese refs. I taught Eng. as a 2nd. lang. would say Jesus musta known some Buddist monks as a kid in Egypt cause His stuff abt. living in harmony here on Earth are so similar.Dint Yashua say ;"if they ain't agin' us they must B4 us.."Believe that's in every translation... BUT hey/keep a'seekin U gotta gud thinker on yer shoulders..Enoch & Thomas mighta been garbagemen;but the "Pneuma"(GRK) that flowed from their minds was pure revelation,,,;but then again Peter smelled like fish-guts & when asked abt. JESUS said;"WHO ???" & don't Paulie say "Believe ALL things that edify our LORD & His ways..?? Even Moses taught the Egyptian version of common sense cause that was all he knew..Decry yer enemies all U want 4 their sins/errors/intolerance&hatreds.. Denying their occasional bouts of wisdom just makes us look like pendantic dogmatists /Bigots/,,,1 OT prophet went so far as 2 say "ye are a stubborn & stiff-necked people' (I was ! /thank GOD I are not now) <m> gottit ??

 

[pastor marty]

I've read the "gita", some of the translated vedas, the Tao te Ching, Chuang Tsu, the Tibetan Book of the dead, the Egyptian book of the dead, the writings of Kung Fu Tsu, the Quran, the gospel according to Thomas, as well as a lot of other philosophical and religious garbage, but the Bible is unique, the inspired word of God. gottit?

And all U gained was the word garbage//how sad4U/I thought only the Saducees qualified 4 what Jesus called;"carpal-tunnel thinking" (paraphrase) read my epistle (below)yer growling @ a friend/chill-out/Shalom <m> yule gettit !

 

[GodsGrace]

I've read the "gita", some of the translated vedas, the Tao te Ching, Chuang Tsu, the Tibetan Book of the dead, the Egyptian book of the dead, the writings of Kung Fu Tsu, the Quran, the gospel according to Thomas, as well as a lot of other philosophical and religious garbage, but the Bible is unique, the inspired word of God. gottit?

I have to agree with you.
I didn't read all you did. And won't be.
I tried a couple. Very little of the Qur'an.
Some writings of Krishna. Very beautiful, BTW.
The Gospel of Thomas

I stopped reading all of it. Oh. And the extra-biblical books.
It sounds like mumbo jumbo.
The bible IS special.
It can make one know God.
It can save a person.
Yeah. There's no other book like it.
Sounds like one complete though and it spans about 3,500 years.

 

[michaelvpardo]

The parts that coincide/agree w/The Torah aren't garbage.Dint GOD say He'd pour is spirit?wisdom out on all flesh ?? Even heathen cannibals get some of it rite.. (thou shalt not eat family members/unless there's a famine)Relax,Mike,I'm not disrespectin the dead sea scolls.The"Original"scriptures are of GOD//no question.Shall I give U a one line boo-boo that got millions killed and only recently(DSS again)all Biblical scholars agree was a real case o'the devil shifting words around ???After 18 hrs. by candlelight one tired Irish (well meaning) monk missed a greek nuance a prev. Cath. scribe had already botched & BINGO;;the Auto de Fea (Inquisition) was started.The Burmese refs. I taught Eng. as a 2nd. lang. would say Jesus musta known some Buddist monks as a kid in Egypt cause His stuff abt. living in harmony here on Earth are so similar.Dint Yashua say ;"if they ain't agin' us they must B4 us.."Believe that's in every translation... BUT hey/keep a'seekin U gotta gud thinker on yer shoulders..Enoch & Thomas mighta been garbagemen;but the "Pneuma"(GRK) that flowed from their minds was pure revelation,,,;but then again Peter smelled like fish-guts & when asked abt. JESUS said;"WHO ???" & don't Paulie say "Believe ALL things that edify our LORD & His ways..?? Even Moses taught the Egyptian version of common sense cause that was all he knew..Decry yer enemies all U want 4 their sins/errors/intolerance&hatreds.. Denying their occasional bouts of wisdom just makes us look like pendantic dogmatists /Bigots/,,,1 OT prophet went so far as 2 say "ye are a stubborn & stiff-necked people' (I was ! /thank GOD I are not now) <m> gottit ??

I've found bits and pieces of truth in other works, but a little bit of the truth is what makes an effective lie. Scripture says that the gods of the nations are demons. The goal of demonic entities is to deceive people and keep them from believing and receiving Jesus Christ. When someone says that there are other ways to enter the kingdom the same is a thief and a liar. You have to enter the sheepfold by the gate, going over the wall is not an option.
Translations can be problematic as the rendered version will always reflect the philosophy or belief of the translators (a kind of self justification). The New World Translation and JPS Tanaach are 2 perfect examples of how the translators disbelief in the person of Christ altered the fundamental meaning of passages revealing Him as God incarnate. If you don't read the original languages, the best that you can do is read multiple translations and trust the Teacher to reveal the truth in them.