Co- Redemptrix

[mjrhealth]

Mary didn't need to be sinless, it was fitting.
Can God and sin co-exist?

No where ever is it stated that Mary was sinless, just again, justifying idols as men do.

 

[tabletalk]

She did not need to be sinless, just of a pure heart...Jesus wasn't conceived in her womb containing the Holy spirit already, remember He was born as a son of mankind...Because He remained without sin, He was able to receive the fullness of God through His Holy spirit, to teach men truth and to show Gods Love to them, thus becoming the first ever human being containing the Holy spirit completely within His own spirit, all of the time, until the cross...A new creation, created not by human hands but by God Himself....Mary was and always will be a highly favored, woman, but she shouldn't be turned into a false deity...I'm sure even she would protest...

Who told you this: "...Jesus wasn't conceived in her womb containing the Holy spirit already,...remember He was born as a son of mankind."

Before she conceived, the Bible says this:
From Luke 1: 31. And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name Jesus.
From Luke 1: 35. And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.'

Sounds like Jesus contained the Holy Spirit at conception.

 

[bbyrd009]

Not in my opinion.

However, to disagree, became verbotten.

ha, ok

 

[michaelvpardo]

Mary didn't need to be sinless, it was fitting.
Can God and sin co-exist?

Is God omnipresent? If God is everywhere then the answer to your question seems obvious.

 

[mjrhealth]

Who told you this: "...Jesus wasn't conceived in her womb containing the Holy spirit already,..." ?

Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

 

[amadeus]

How come ? I will miss your posts very much. God bless you and your family

Only on this thread for this moment. Sometimes some people [most definitely not you] make me tired. The old man of me still tires and the new man of me must allow me to rest.

 

[mjrhealth]

Only on this thread for this moment. Sometimes some people [most definitely not you] make me tired. The old man of me still tires and the new man of me must allow me to rest.

I get that way at times, walk away for a while, the enemy loves to beat us down, cant reason with evil, someone once told me....

 

[epostle1]

Is God omnipresent? If God is everywhere then the answer to your question seems obvious.

That has nothing to do with what I said. God is everywhere, which is true; but you say not with with Mary, which is self contradictory, thus you throw Mary out of the Bible. My statement is based on Revelation 21:27, which does not cancel out or replace the omnipresence of God, which is a totally different theology.
God resided in Mary's womb and you need to get over your prejudice and admit that truth.
Your avoidance of the questions is obvious. God isn't omnipresent enough to make the mother of His son sinless??? What kind of God is that?, He CHOSE to, He didn't HAVE to.

 

[twinc]

No where ever is it stated that Mary was sinless, just again, justifying idols as men do.

it is in the bible but not accepted - see Lk10:16/Matt 16:19 & 18:18 - twinc

 

[amadeus]

I get that way at times, walk away for a while, the enemy loves to beat us down, cant reason with evil, someone once told me....

But it is only a weariness of the flesh. The new man really never get tired so long he consumes regularly the flesh and blood of Jesus.

 

[twinc]

But it is only a weariness of the flesh. The new man really never get tired so long he consumes regularly the flesh and blood of Jesus.

but alas and sadly now as then he does not - Jn 6:66 - twinc

 

[mjrhealth]

it is in the bible but not accepted - see Lk10:16/Matt 16:19 & 18:18 - twinc

Says nothing of the sort, if Mary was sinless than Jesus died for nothing, she would have being "perfect" as He was, and revelation

Rev 5:2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?
Rev 5:3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
Rev 5:4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.
Rev 5:5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

would therefore become a lie.... for she too would have being found worthy, as I keep saying, all just justification for teh worship of idols. She can do nothing for anyone, a distraction from our Lord and saviour, no more no less..

 

[amadeus]

but alas and sadly now as then he does not - Jn 6:66 - twinc

Just keep on holding on twinc.

 

[Jun2u]

But you refuse to say WHEN Mary received her salvation.

As a child of God, I also know when Mary received her salvation, just as the rest of the saved received theirs before the foundations of the world! But Catholics can never claim this truth because they believe in a “holding” place called Purgatory.

Did Mary go to the Temple and recite the sinners prayer before Jesus was born??? which is no less absurd???

Here is the difference between a child of God and a Catholic, a Catholic does not know how to read nor understand Scriptures. Yes, it is true in many Protestant churches, it is taught a person can be saved by reciting the sinner’s prayer, but it is a false teaching. A child of God can only become saved by “Grace Alone” whether in the Old or New Testaments!

There are only 2 places in scripture where Kecharitomene is found. Luke 1:28 that describes Mary, and Jesus Christ in John 1:14.

As already stated above, obviously, every child of God is “full of grace” since a person can only be saved by grace. So throw away your doctrine of Kecharitomene.

If Mary received salvation when she was conceived, then Mary was sinless by the merits of the cross retrospectively. (like David received forgiveness)

Your church may teach Mary was saved when she conceived, but this is in direct contradiction as Scripture teaches, Jesus, as the Lamb, was slain before the foundation of the world!

In your system, Jesus never needed a mother.

You are putting words in my mouth! Catholics have a bad habit of doing this and changing the meaning of Scriptures to suit their agenda.

Not mine but God’s system. Jesus, like any other person, must reside in a womb for nine months to become human, and that is all Mary did. It could have very well been...fill in the blank, and whoever she is would still be blessed and full of grace.

1 John 4:2-3a
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God:
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God…

To God Be The Glory

 

[Jun2u]

WRONG.

The demon in Mark 1:24 refers to Jesus as "the HOLY ONE of God" - not the "Sinless One".
"Holy" (hagios) simply means to be set apart.

As for the Magnificat - Mary DID need a Savior - and it was God.
The difference between her and the rest of us is that we are pulled out of the mud of sin.
She was saved from falling into the mud in the first place (Kecharitomene).

Where did you get the notion that everyone who disagrees with you in these forums is wrong?

Have you not read 1 Corinthians 14:36, “What? Came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?”

It is true the word “holy” as concerning a child of God means to be “set apart.” When God looks at us He sees our sins as dirty rags, no difference from Mary’s sins. However, as God is Holy (1Peter 1:16), He has ordained that we should also be Holy as He is Holy (without sin), and this can only be achieved when our sins are washed away by the blood of Christ.

I don’t know where you got your kakameme idea (Kechatorimene) for God is no respecter of persons nor has He any favoritism.

I have an advice for you which you have never given respect to others: “Study to show yourself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”

To God Be The Glory

 

[Dcopymope]

Where did you get the notion that everyone who disagrees with you in these forums is wrong?

Have you not read 1 Corinthians 14:36, “What? Came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?”

It is true the word “holy” as concerning a child of God means to be “set apart.” When God looks at us He sees our sins as dirty rags, no difference from Mary’s sins. However, as God is Holy (1Peter 1:16), He has ordained that we should also be Holy as He is Holy (without sin), and this can only be achieved when our sins are washed away by the blood of Christ.

I don’t know where you got your kakameme idea (Kechatorimene) for God is no respecter of persons nor has He any favoritism.

I have an advice for you which you have never given respect to others: “Study to show yourself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”

To God Be The Glory

You know, there are some people here that have a problem with such verses, since they make it all about the holy ghost. Studying the book that is about the faith they claim to have in of itself is of none effect. You don't even need it at all in fact, just get "caught up in the spirit" and you'll get the 'truth' that way, no book learning necessary.

 

[mjrhealth]

You know, there are some people here that have a problem with such verses, since they make it all about the holy ghost. Studying the book that is about the faith they claim to have in of itself is of none effect. You don't even need it at all in fact, just get "caught up in the spirit" and you'll get the 'truth' that way, no book learning necessary.

And so many have a problem with the Holy Spirit who was sent to teach them the truth, is is given to all who belong to Christ, he is teh same spirit in all. just that some prefer to show God how smart they are while others prefer to let God show them how wise He is. Millions may study teh bible, but far less know God.

 

[Dcopymope]

And so many have a problem with the Holy Spirit who was sent to teach them the truth, is is given to all who belong to Christ, he is teh same spirit in all. just that some prefer to show God how smart they are while others prefer to let God show them how wise He is. Millions may study teh bible, but far less know God.

yep

 

[BreadOfLife]

Where did you get the notion that everyone who disagrees with you in these forums is wrong?

Have you not read 1 Corinthians 14:36, “What? Came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?”

It is true the word “holy” as concerning a child of God means to be “set apart.” When God looks at us He sees our sins as dirty rags, no difference from Mary’s sins. However, as God is Holy (1Peter 1:16), He has ordained that we should also be Holy as He is Holy (without sin), and this can only be achieved when our sins are washed away by the blood of Christ.

I don’t know where you got your kakameme idea (Kechatorimene) for God is no respecter of persons nor has He any favoritism.

I have an advice for you which you have never given respect to others: “Study to show yourself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”

To God Be The Glory

That's funny.

You Protestants are always saying that the Angel called Mary "Highly favored" - and now you're saying that God doesn't favor anybody??
Gen. 6:8 also says that God FAVORED Noah.

Now, I have some advice for YOU:
Do a little study on the word "Kecharitomene" and discover what it means.
Ahhhh, what the heck - I'll explain it for you . . .

The Greek word is Kecharitomene that Luke used in his Gospel (v.1:28), indicates a completed action with permanent result. It translates, “completely, perfectly, enduringly endowed with grace.”
The Angel didn’t say, “Hail Mary, full of grace.” He said, "Hail, "Kecharitomene."
She is the ONLY person in ALL of Scripture who is described this way.

 

[mjrhealth]

She is the ONLY person in ALL of Scripture who is described this way.

And Jesus was the only one without sin... that big impressive word does not make her sinless.... not that you care about truth at all.