Where did you get the notion that everyone who disagrees with you in these forums is wrong?
Have you not read 1 Corinthians 14:36, “What? Came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?”
It is true the word “holy” as concerning a child of God means to be “set apart.” When God looks at us He sees our sins as dirty rags, no difference from Mary’s sins. However, as God is Holy (1Peter 1:16), He has ordained that we should also be Holy as He is Holy (without sin), and this can only be achieved when our sins are washed away by the blood of Christ.
I don’t know where you got your kakameme idea (Kechatorimene) for God is no respecter of persons nor has He any favoritism.
I have an advice for you which you have never given respect to others: “Study to show yourself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.”
To God Be The Glory
As a child of God, I also know when Mary received her salvation, just as the rest of the saved received theirs before the foundations of the world! But Catholics can never claim this truth because they believe in a “holding” place called Purgatory.
A classic non sequitur. Everyone in purgatory is saved, a truth you deny, or can't understand.
The notions of suffering, or “vague forms of the doctrine of Purgatory,” were universally accepted, by and large, in the first four centuries of the Church, whereas, the same cannot be said for the doctrine of Original Sin, which is agreed upon by Protestants and Catholics.
Protestants falsely argue that Purgatory is a later corruption, but it was present early on and merely developed. Original Sin, however, was equally if not more so, subject to development.
One cannot have it both ways. If Purgatory is unacceptable on grounds of its having undergone development, then Original Sin must be rejected with it. Contrariwise, if Original Sin is accepted notwithstanding its own development, then so must Purgatory be accepted.
Here is the difference between a child of God and a Catholic, a Catholic does not know how to read nor understand Scriptures. Yes, it is true in many Protestant churches, it is taught a person can be saved by reciting the sinner’s prayer, but it is a false teaching. A child of God can only become saved by “Grace Alone” whether in the Old or New Testaments!
Saved by grace alone is a primary Catholic doctrine your forefathers borrowed from us.
As already stated above, obviously, every child of God is “full of grace” since a person can only be saved by grace. So throw away your doctrine of Kecharitomene.
Then you throw away Romans 6:14
Ephesians 2:8-10
The biblical argument outlined above proceeds as follows:
1. Grace saves us.
2. Grace gives us the power to be holy and righteous and without sin.
Do you deny this too?
For a person to be full of grace is both to be saved and to be completely, exceptionally holy. It’s a “zero-sum game”: the more grace one has, the less sin. One might look at grace as water, and sin as the air in an empty glass (us). When you pour in the water (grace), the sin (air) is displaced. A full glass of water, therefore, contains no air (see also, similar zero-sum game concepts in 1 John 1:7, 9; 3:6, 9; 5:18). To be full of grace is to be devoid of sin. Thus we might re-apply the above two propositions:
1. To be full of the grace that saves is surely to be saved.
2. To be full of the grace that gives us the power to be holy, righteous, and without sin is to be fully without sin, by that same grace.
A deductive, biblical argument for the Immaculate Conception, with premises derived directly from Scripture, might look like this:
1. The Bible teaches that we are saved by God’s grace.
2. To be “full of” God’s grace, then, is to be saved.
3. Therefore, Mary is saved (Luke 1:28).
4. The Bible teaches that we need God’s grace to live a holy life, free from sin.
5. To be “full of” God’s grace is thus to be so holy that one is sinless.
6. Therefore, Mary is holy and sinless.
7. The essence of the Immaculate Conception is sinlessness.
8. Therefore, the Immaculate Conception, in its essence, can be directly deduced from Scripture.
The only way out of the logic would be to deny one of the two premises, and hold either that
grace does not save or that
grace is not that power which enables one to be sinless and holy.
It is highly unlikely that any Evangelical Protestant would take such a position, so the argument is a very strong one, because it proceeds upon their own premises.
Your church may teach Mary was saved when she conceived, but this is in direct contradiction as Scripture teaches, Jesus, as the Lamb, was slain before the foundation of the world!
What difference does that make? Mary's sinlessness is a direct result of the slain Lamb; the merits of the cross working in all directions in time. Nobody ever said Mary made herself sinless.
are putting words in my mouth! Catholics have a bad habit of doing this and changing the meaning of Scriptures to suit their agenda.
We use the same dictionaries and concordances as you. The meaning of scripture is in seed form, the esense cannot change.
Not mine but God’s system. Jesus, like any other person, must reside in a womb for nine months to become human, and that is all Mary did. It could have very well been...fill in the blank, and whoever she is would still be blessed and full of grace.
1 John 4:2-3a
Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God:
And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God…
To God Be The Glory[/QUOTE]
Mary is foreshadowed in the Old Testament.