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Romans 16:25-26
[25] Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, [26] But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:


Galatians 1:12-15
[12] For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it , but by the revelation of Jesus Christ. [13] For ye have heard of my conversations in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it: [14] And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers. [15] But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace,


Ephesians 1:17-18
[17] That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: [18] The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,


1 Peter 1:13
[13] Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;

Revelation 1:1-3
[1] The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: [2] Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw. [3] Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

First question: what is the "Revelation of Jesus Christ" and why do so many avoid it? Is not the "Revelation of Jesus Christ" the good news, then why is Revelation so often associated with wrath rather than mercy and grace?

Daniel 12:3
[3] And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

God outside of time:
Daniel (in the Spirit?) received Revelation and then was told to seal it up until the end.

Daniel 12:4-13
[4] But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased. [5] Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river. [6] And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders? [7] And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished. [8] And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things ?

Daniel is told to go back...

[9] And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. [10] Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand. [11] And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. [12] Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. [13] But go thou thy way till the end be : for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.

John (in the Spirit) is given Revelation:

Revelation 22:8-11
[8] And I John saw these things, and heard them . And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things. [9] Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.

Unlike Daniel, John is told "seal not the sayings" for the time is at hand.

[10] And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand. [11] He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

Matthew 26:18
[18] And he said, Go into the city to such a man, and say unto him, The Master saith, My time is at hand; I will keep the passover at thy house with my disciples.

Mark 1:15
[15] And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Luke 12:54-56
[54] And he said also to the people, When ye see a cloud rise out of the west, straightway ye say, There cometh a shower; and so it is. [55] And when ye see the south wind blow, ye say, There will be heat; and it cometh to pass. [56] Ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky and of the earth; but how is it that ye do not discern this time?

The time of His visitation.
 

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Not sure what the question is, but Christ is our foundation, and revelation which comes from God builds upon that foundation. It is by revelation God reveals Himself to us, and teaches us teh truth, Without revelation you dont grow.

1Co_2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

Mat_11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Gal_1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
 

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Not sure what the question is, but Christ is our foundation, and revelation which comes from God builds upon that foundation. It is by revelation God reveals Himself to us, and teaches us teh truth, Without revelation you dont grow.

1Co_2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

Mat_11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Gal_1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Yes. The foundation is Christ. I guess the question was why is the book of Revelation which is "the Revelation of Jesus Christ" often avoided?
 

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If (since) the prophets from the OT (in Spirit) were given "the Revelation of Jesus Christ" and (in Spirit) saw the same day of the Lord as John...isn't it possible Daniel could of seen John on that same day?


Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river. [6] And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?


How long shall it be to the end of these wonders? --another asks, as Daniel watches the unfolding.



Revelation 19:10
[10] And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.


Revelation 22:10
[10] And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.

Seal not the testimony of Jesus which IS the Spirit of prophecy...for the time is at hand.

Daniel 9:24
[24] Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
 
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Addressing the OP only. the Revelation of Jesus Christ is the unveiling of the ONLY true God, that is Diversified, or "shared" in flesh and bone as a man, which was his own IMAGE/Figure that was to come, see Romans 5:14. by revealing the Lord Jesus as the Only True God that is diversified in flesh, this revelation answers all of the OT questions from Genesis 1:26 the "us" and the "our" to the manifestation of Matthew 3:16 & 17. the whole book, God as a MAN in flesh and bones with all power and authority.

PCY
 

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Yes. The foundation is Christ. I guess the question was why is the book of Revelation which is "the Revelation of Jesus Christ" often avoided?

I believe it is avoided because so many go nuts with the symbols and signs that are found in it. Thus creating a hodgepodge of interpretations. Then people throw up their hands and say, what is the use.

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I believe it is avoided because so many go nuts with the symbols and signs that are found in it. Thus creating a hodgepodge of interpretations. Then people throw up their hands and say, what is the use.

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2 Peter 1:20-21
[20] Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. [21] For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Considering He is in us, should it be by our outstanding or by the Holy Ghost that we approach the Revelation of Jesus Christ. And since it is by the Holy Ghost, then would we not want to read: "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:"

Revelation 1:9
[9] I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
 
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2 Peter 1:20-21
[20] Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. [21] For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Considering He is in us, should it be by our outstanding or by the Holy Ghost that we approach the Revelation of Jesus Christ. And since it is by the Holy Ghost, then would we not want to read: "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:"

Revelation 1:9
[9] I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Yes, of course we should read it and study to know it. I was just saying why many avoid it. I certainly do not avoid it, and encourage others to read and study it.

Some years ago I was teaching a Bible class in a church where I was a fairly new member. The class leader was interested in the book of Revelation and asked if I would teach it. I said I would and he said he would have to clear it with the head of the Sunday School dept. He later said the man in charge said no. He was afraid it would cause to much arguments and agitation. Well, someone told me later that he had tried to teach it several months before and it turned into a fiasco. I don't think he was as concerned about it turning into a fiasco again as much as if it worked out great. It would not make him look good. The bottom line was he was in way over his head. So now, no one could be allowed to teach it.

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2 Peter 1:20-21
[20] Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. [21] For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Considering He is in us, should it be by our outstanding or by the Holy Ghost that we approach the Revelation of Jesus Christ. And since it is by the Holy Ghost, then would we not want to read: "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:"

Revelation 1:9
[9] I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Revelation comes to pass in everyone who seeks it i guess, huh :)
shortly, too
 
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Well teh book of revelation is revelation given to John, it wasnt given to us, yet people read it as if it is theres. To understand the book of revelation one must take it before God and than He will reveal it to you in His time. Revelation is a private thing given to those who seek.
 

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Christ's Revelation is about events of the very end of this world leading up to His return, and thereafter. Since Jesus gave it to the 7 Churches in Asia through John, it is for all faithful Churches today. Likewise the events in the Book of Daniel are opened up along with it.

The Church organization I was raised in would not preach Revelation, nor OT prophecy. I know there are still many Churches like that today. They feel it's too metaphorical and controversial, when the title of the Book means 'The Revealing'. Our Lord Jesus thus obviously wants us to study it and understanding it.
 

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Nah, i think the main problem with the exegisis of the book of Revelation is that people end up thinking the majority of events havent happened yet
 
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The Church organization I was raised in would not preach Revelation, nor OT prophecy. I know there are still many Churches like that today. They feel it's too metaphorical and controversial, when the title of the Book means 'The Revealing'. Our Lord Jesus thus obviously wants us to study it and understanding it.
all mens wisdom, all mens understanding, refuse to ask God how it is.
 

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all mens wisdom, all mens understanding, refuse to ask God how it is.

But I do ask God for understanding in Christ Jesus' name, every time before I start a private Bible study session with The Holy Spirit.

You are falsely accusing me that I don't consult our Heavenly Father and His Son.
 

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But I do ask God for understanding in Christ Jesus' name, every time before I start a private Bible study session with The Holy Spirit.

You are falsely accusing me that I don't consult our Heavenly Father and His Son.
never said no such thing,
 

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You didn't put "you" at the start of that phrase, but it's still implied since that was in your response to me personally.
people so easily offended, nor surprising @bbyrd009 put a like to it. When you find teh truth, which is in Jesus, offense wont come so easy. As for that bible, teh more you fill yourself with knowledge the less chance God has to teach you, must be Him fist bible second not teh other way round. And when you are willing to put Him first He will show you things you never saw, and give you understanding as you need.
 
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Yes. The foundation is Christ. I guess the question was why is the book of Revelation which is "the Revelation of Jesus Christ" often avoided?

Most people don't like what they don't or can't understand...
 

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Well the book of revelation is revelation given to John, it wasn't given to us, yet people read it as if it is theres. To understand the book of revelation one must take it before God and than He will reveal it to you in His time. Revelation is a private thing given to those who seek.

Agree.

It was the Revelation of Jesus Christ...ie what Jesus showed to John.
I don't for one moment believe that John understood much of it at all!
I think it is a spiritual book that we as Christians will say along the way-
" Ah, this is what was being spoken of in the Revelation."
If it is too hard to understand...then God is not unveiling it...then we just 'hide it in our heart'..until He does reveal it to us.
I think it is the one book where so many people have declared that they have studied it and know what it all means....but that causes nothing but total confusions in the church....
When something is truly 'revealed' by God it is witnessed to in the inner spirit man. It cannot be 'learned' ...that is like me trying to teach you about faith...one can't learn it. :)


Agree?