Once in Heaven, can you lose your salvation?

[Stranger]

You are without understanding.

"Begun in the Spirit"?

Do you a man KNOWS about God, because they have just BEGUN to learn about Him?

Everyone who is HEARING, guess what they are hearing?

It is the Word of God.
Any Clue WHO the Word of God IS?
It is Jesus.
Any Clue WHAT the Spirit of God IS?
It is Power.
ANY Clue WHO the Power of God IS?
It is Christ.
ANY Clue WHO Christ IS?
It is Jesus.
ANY Clue WHO Jesus IS?
It is God with us.

Every time ANY man IS HEARING the WORD of God, they are being enlightened by ....
The Spirit of God. They are receiving FAITH.

Faith is a gift from God.

It is NOT being saved or born again;
It is them Learning and receiving FAITH.

How do you think a man CAN FALL FROM FAITH?

Any man LIKE JUDAS, can follow along, believe, have received faith, AND THEN fall away, stop believing, turn against God, and stop following......they fall from faith.
They stop believing, and stop receiving faith.

WHAT THEY DIDN"T DO, is submit their life to God and become SAVED and BORN again.

You have people, learning, being enlightened, by the Word of God, the Spirit of God, the Power of God....ALREADY SAVED and born AGAIN.....when they were not.

You should have notice they were learning something new, and not Committed, thus COULD SIN, could doubt, could be influenced by other teaching.

A man WHO IS SAVED AND BORN AGAIN, CAN NOT DEPART away from the Lord....

A man who IS saved and born again...IS KEPT FREE FROM SIN, FREE FROM ever again standing AGAINST the Lord....
"BY" The Lords indwelling POWER.

You are without understanding.

God Bless,
Taken

And who and what is this rambling supposed to be addressing? Is it supposed to impress? It doesn't. Have you responded to my post #313 yet.

Jesus Christ is our Advocate, Who you say you don't need at this time. Yet you say I am without understanding?

Stranger

 

[Taken]

God loves His creations.
Some of His creations that He loves He also strongly dislikes.

Not especially news that corruption of man and the world is not pleasing to God.

But the FEW, By the Power of God have become made WHOLE, freed from Sin and Forever KEPT saved unto Him.

Praise God, greater is He that is in you than He that is in the World!

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Stranger]

God loves His creations.
Some of His creations that He loves He also strongly dislikes.

Not especially news that corruption of man and the world is not pleasing to God.

But the FEW, By the Power of God have become made WHOLE, freed from Sin and Forever KEPT saved unto Him.

Praise God, greater is He that is in you than He that is in the World!

God Bless,
Taken

More double talk. You need it because Scripture is against you.

Just because the believers sin is paid for doesn't mean he still doesn't sin.

He Who is greater in us, is our Advocate at the right hand of God. Which you reject and claim to not need.

Stranger

 

[mjrhealth]

And all first Loved By God.

Always Loved by God, God doesnt change, not for us He never will.

 

[Taken]

Taken (concerning post #318)

This is how you twist the Scripture.

You say God hates Esau,

Yep, I agree scripture says God hated Esau.

but that doesn't mean God doesn't love everyone.

Yep, I agree with scripture that says God Loved the World. Jesus offered His flesh body for the Life of the World. God loved us first.
Some people are MUCH loved (beloved)
Some people are MUCH disliked (hated)

You are speaking nothing but non-sense.

I trust what Scripture says.
I understand Spiritually what Scripture means.

You telling me what does not make sense to your carnal mind; is irrelevant to me, and
BTW foolishishness to God.

(John 3:16) compared to (1 John 2:15) proves that (John 3:16) does not mean God loves everyone. You cannot disprove it.

Already told you. I disagree with you.
Already told you. I trust Scripture, (NOT your carnal minded understanding of Scripture).

So you just say that you believe what you want.

Just as you Want to SIN.
I have chosen my Wants; to be freed from Sin, to trust the Word of God and to have His Understanding of His Word.

So, Yes, we all seek what we Want.

That's fine.

Of course. It's called freewill.

But what you believe is not supported in Scripture.

Sure it is. God loves all the very good things He created. Guess it has been a condonrum to your understanding; God strongly dislikes the corruption or His creations.

You ask if I have sin. I have told you, yes I have sin.

Well ain't that something. You are like all men; born in sin!

What do I do about it. (1 John 1:8-10). Gee, why should you need to ask. The big question is, do you have sin?

Seems even your carnal understanding fails you. Did you miss the BIG answer ALREADY given you on more that one occasion?

For the last time. I was naturally born in sin;
I committed sin.

(1 John 1:8-10) addresses present sin. "If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves" So, again, do you 'have' sin?

Seriously? Again and again you ask, but have zero comprehension for the answer repeatedly given you.

HAVE SIN? Listen carefully;
"WAS" naturally born IN SIN.
Naturally Committed SIN.

Freely Chose to GIVE MY LIFE and MY SIN to:
ta da.....Jesus' Spirit and Jesus' BODY.
Jesus' BODY took UPON it the SINS of the WORLD, and then His BODY Died!
I Chose to be crucified with Christ.
Ta da....My Body of Sin IS DEAD.
His Body Was cleansed..from all unrightesousness
My Body Was cleansed..from all unrighteousness
His Body Was sanctified.
My Body Was sanctified.
His Body Was Glorified.
I Live IN HIS BODY, until
...my body is glorified.
I Live IN HIS BODY, Which HAS NO SIN.
His Spirit Lives IN MY BODY Forever!
My Body is FREED FROM SIN.

Inasmuch as I doubt you understand this, I also doubt you understand; many other Spiritual things.

Sin IS being AGAINST GOD.
Everyone is born AGAINST GOD.

A man who freely chooses to be "no longer" AGAINST GOD; follows GODS WAY: to be:
FOR GOD, WITH GOD.

Men WHO CHOOSE to be WITH God;
God BELOVES; greatly LOVES.

Men WHO CHOOSE to REMAIN AGAINST God;
God HATES; greatly DISLIKES.

God SO LOVED HIS OWN CREATIONS; the World; He gave His Word; He Named Jesus;

So EVERY MAN, could receive KNOWLEDGE of GOD; AND freely CHOOSE to:
BE WITH HIM
Or
REMAIN AGAINST HIM.

I made MY own individual CHOICE.
I understood WHAT my Choice meant.
I UNDERSTAND WHAT "ALL" MY CHOICE entails; and AM enjoying the great benefits of MY CHOICE.
Thus I AM GLAD I made the Choice, I MADE.

As a LITTLE CHILD, you appear to have MADE a choice;
BUT haven't a CLUE, to the UNDERSTANDING of WHAT "ALL" your choice means.

The CHOICE IS a SPIRITUAL Choice; Appealing to a SPIRITUAL GOD;
That HE PROMISES HE WILL MAKE Spiritual Changes regarding the ONE WHO CHOOSES HIM.

You claim to have made THE CHOICE; appealing TO a SPIRITUAL GOD....

BUT THEN want to engage and ARGUE and DEBATE HIS WORD; WITH YOUR senses of your CARNAL MIND.

I called it babbling.
God calls it foolishness.

Stop worrying about what "your senses of the thought of your carnal MIND" thinks....
And Go LEARN ABOUT WHAT Gods Spiritual Change within a man MEANS; and WHAT you are supposed to DO WITH HAVING THAT Spiritual Change.

Instead of arguing silliness and blatant false teaching that the OLD MAN IS DEAD...YET continues to STAND AGAINST GOD.

By your own words, you do not need Jesus Christ's present ministry

That IS FALSE.

I said I don't NEED an Advocate.
God learn what an Advocate is...
It's a middleman; between a NATURAL man and a Spiritual God!

I said NOTHING about Jesus' MINISTRY.

Jesus' MINISTRY IS HIS TEACHING!

Go learn the DIFFERENCE between an
ADVOCATE and A DOCTRINE.

And stop speaking for me, trying to make claims FOR ME, that I did not make.

as our Advocate. This shows how far away you have gotten from the truth.

Based on your SPEAKING FOR ME; simply shows how ignorant your carnal understanding IS.

Jesus' Ministry IS His Doctrine, and an Awesome blessing and great benefit FOR men WHO have, like myself, Given their Life to Christ Jesus.

Jesus, THE WORD of GOD, is the ADVOCATE.
Go THROUGH HIM...AND MEET
Christ the Lord Jesus, The SPIRIT of God;
WHO IS GOD HIMSELF.

So while you continue going TO the Advocate, then running away and continuing to Sin,
Then running TO the Advocate...
And Repeat, Repeat, Repeat...

I have gone Completely THROUGH the Advocate....and NOW have a DIRECT relationship with God, who is holy, as I was made holy; and now ACCEPTABLE to HAVE directe communication and fellowship WITH my God.

Keep trying. Maybe you will figure it out.
You can take your Carnal woes to the Advocate.
And IF you ever become Spiritual you can have direct Spiritual communication with God, and Learn His Wisdom and His Understanding and His desires of How to Serve Him...

Instead of repeatedly running to the Advocate with your carnal whining and repeated begging for forgiveness.

The difference is;
Going to the Advocate is all about YOU....
....of what can the Advocate DO FOR YOU!
Being WITH God is all about GOD.
....of what can I DO FOR GOD.

I would suggest you go LEARN, BEFORE you try your hand at carnal teaching;
It is a fail, when using the Lord Name, to teach your understanding.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Taken]

And who and what is this rambling supposed to be addressing? Is it supposed to impress? It doesn't. Have you responded to my post #313 yet.

Jesus Christ is our Advocate, Who you say you don't need at this time. Yet you say I am without understanding?

Stranger

More bluntly =
You are steeped in your personal carnal understanding.

You are without Spiritual Understanding; which IS Gods Understanding of His own knowledge and Word.

And Yes, because YOU rely on YOUR carnal understanding; Gods Spiritual Understanding
Is a conflict for you.

Gods Spiritual Understanding IS precisely "FOR" HIS PEOPLE.

Carnal understanding IS but foolishness to God.....but you revel in your carnal understanding....and really, really, want me to consider your carnal understanding...

But I won't.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Taken]

More double talk. You need it because Scripture is against you.

Error!

There is DOUBLE...
Your carnal understanding of Gods Word.
Gods spiritual understanding of His own Word; that I agree with.

Just because the believers sin is paid for doesn't mean he still doesn't sin.

Precisely BECAUSE Jesus took upon HIS BODY the SINS of the WHOLE WORLD, and GAVE HIS BODY TO DEATH...
And I was crucified bodily WiTH HIM...
I have ACCEPTED HIS GIFT of a BODY dead to sin.

Now if you; are STILL OF THE WORLD....yep..
YOU can DO WHAT YOU WANT, and CONTINUE to be AGAINST GOD, and SIN.
(Which is a claim YOU HAVE MADE FOR YOURSELF)

I have made MY OWN claims for MYSELF...
Accept it just as I have accepted your claims for YOURSELF.
I am freed from Sin.
You continue to Sin.

Sin IS AGAINST GOD.
I am NOT in standing AGAINST GOD.
I am WITH GOD, and He WITH ME.
You admittedly (by continuing to claim you continue to sin) IS YOUR STANDING AGAINST GOD.

I accept your claims about YOU.
I accept my claims about ME.

It matters not if you LIKE or NOT, what I accept concerning me.

You falling around on middle ground...
Claiming the OLD MAN is DEAD and yet alive and STILL SINS...is to your own detriment.

There is no middle ground AFTER physical death.

Matt 12:30
He that is NOT WITH ME is AGAINST ME..

He Who is greater in us,
is our Advocate

More of your NOT understanding.
He who Advocated FOR an UNSAVED man;
IS JESUS.
He who is IN a SAVED man IS NO LONGER an ADVOCATED, speaking to God on your behalf;
BUT IS THE Chirst Lord God Almighty!

at the right hand of God. Which you reject and claim to not need.

True. I do not require the ADVOCATE Jesus, to speak to God on MY behalf.

I have the Spirit of God; Christ the Lord God Almighty, that I can SPEAK to DIRECTLY!

To bad you do not NOTICE the difference between and INRODUCTION...to Jesus the Advocate....the beyond the INTRODUCTION;
To Discovering THIS SAME JESUS; IS THEE Christ Lord God Almighty.

And reading the KNOWLEDE thereof, so written, is COMPLETELY different than UNDERSTANDING the Knowledge.

You Keep babbling on with your Carnal Understanding.....failing to have sought or acquire Gods Understanding...which is the opposite of me....

So, thus, we will disagree.
You stay in your comfort zone or your understanding...As you choose.
And I will continue seeking more and more of Gods understanding.....As I choose.

It matters none to me, if you and I disagree.
I am not here to serve you or please you.
It is not about you. It is all about God.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Stranger]

Taken (concerning your post #325)

If God hated Esau, then God doesn't love everyone. No matter what you want to believe.

Concerning (John 3:16) and (1 John 2:15) you disagree with Scripture, not me.

Jesus ministry at this time is as our Advocate. Which you say you don't need.

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

Taken (concerning your post #326)

Nothing much here to address. Just rambling. Did you ever respond to post #313?

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

Taken (concerning your post #327)

Just because Jesus paid for all sin, doesn't mean you are not still a sinner. Your claims for yourself is that you no longer sin. Thus you don't need to confess your sins before God. (1 John 1:8-10) And you don't need Christ as Advocate which is His present ministry in Heaven. I understand your claims. They are wrong.

I wouldn't be worried about whether I like it or not. I would be worried about God's view of it.

No, if it was all about God, you would recognize what God has said concerning your sins as a believer and how to address them as Christ performs His ministry as Advocate for you.

Stranger

 

[Taken]

More double talk. You need it because Scripture is against you.

Yet another of your false accusations.
I am not required to teach you every step of Gods WAY.
However I know His Way and have claimed nothing in contrast to His Word;

John 17:23
...the whole world may know..God hast loved them

John 9:34
...born in sin

John16:26
...sin; disbelief in Christ

1 John 1:9
...forgiven, cleansed from all unrighteousness

1 Cor 6:11
....cleansed, sanctified, justified

Gal 2:20
...crucified with Christ

John 9:34
...body is dead

Gal 3:12
...redeemed from the curse (sin) of the law

Rom 6:7
....freed from sin.

1 Pet 1:23
...born again of an incorruptable seed

1 John 3:9
....can sin no more

Just because the believers sin is paid for doesn't mean he still doesn't sin.

Just because you want to continue sharing your lack of spiritual understanding....doesn't make you right or make me interested to yield to your nonsense.

He Who is greater in us, is our Advocate at the right hand of God. Which you reject and claim to not need.

Again with your inability to understand...
And speak utter nonsense and pretend you are speaking my beliefs....YOU FAIL AGAIN.

Of course I need Christ Jesus;
He whose Spirit is great IN ME.
He is my Lord God Almighty!

I do not NEED an advocate; a go between, between MY God and MY SELF...I am sanctified and cleansed and can have a DIRECT relationship with Him.

How you, STILL COMMITTING SIN, can say the Spirit of God dwells in you WHILE YOU ARE COMMITTING SIN....wow...
Not Scriptural!

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Always Loved by God, God doesnt change, not for us He never will.

God is Love. He gives blessing to all, His mercy to all, and is Just to all.

It is His desire we BECOME LIKE HIM.

Taught to LOVE ALL, even your enemies whom one strongly dislikes (hates)....and?

Then should we say, THAT ^ is NOT LIKE GOD?

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Stranger]

Yet another of your false accusations.
I am not required to teach you every step of Gods WAY.
However I know His Way and have claimed nothing in contrast to His Word;

John 17:23
...the whole world may know..God hast loved them

John 9:34
...born in sin

John16:26
...sin; disbelief in Christ

1 John 1:9
...forgiven, cleansed from all unrighteousness

1 Cor 6:11
....cleansed, sanctified, justified

Gal 2:20
...crucified with Christ

John 9:34
...body is dead

Gal 3:12
...redeemed from the curse (sin) of the law

Rom 6:7
....freed from sin.

1 Pet 1:23
...born again of an incorruptable seed

1 John 3:9
....can sin no more



Just because you want to continue sharing your lack of spiritual understanding....doesn't make you right or make me interested to yield to your nonsense.



Again with your inability to understand...
And speak utter nonsense and pretend you are speaking my beliefs....YOU FAIL AGAIN.

Of course I need Christ Jesus;
He whose Spirit is great IN ME.
He is my Lord God Almighty!

I do not NEED an advocate; a go between, between MY God and MY SELF...I am sanctified and cleansed and can have a DIRECT relationship with Him.

How you, STILL COMMITTING SIN, can say the Spirit of God dwells in you WHILE YOU ARE COMMITTING SIN....wow...
Not Scriptural!

God Bless,
Taken

More double double talk. You address a post that you have already addressed. Your post #327 and 321 address the same post of mine, #323. I guess that is easier than addressing the most recent posts. You have confused yourself.

Get back to me when you are up to date.

Stranger

 

[Taken]

More double double talk. You address a post that you have already addressed. Your post #327 and 321 address the same post of mine, #323. I guess that is easier than addressing the most recent posts. You have confused yourself.

Get back to me when you are up to date.

Stranger

When you have determined how to cite applicable scriptures; then maybe a conversation with you would be meaningful.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Stranger]

When you have determined how to cite applicable scriptures; then maybe a conversation with you would be meaningful.

God Bless,
Taken

Oh. Is that why you are so confused? Im thinking it's because you so manipulate the interpretation of Scripture and posts that you can't tell where you are at anymore. There is no order in your interpretation. It just is whatever you need it to be at the time. And if any question it, they are without understanding. So, your continual double talk leads into double posting. A natural progression, or digression.

With your understanding and manipulation of Scripture, if you thought a conversation with me was meaningful, I would be worried. Hence, I like the good news.

Stranger

 

[verzanumi24]

Lucifer was created perfect and sinless. Adam and Eve were perfect and sinless. Both were in the presence God. Yet they chose against God and fell.

Once we as Christians get to Heaven, how is our state any different? Can we sin against God even after we are there?

Stranger

Who say anyone is going to Heaven in the first place?

 

[Stranger]

Who say anyone is going to Heaven in the first place?

(Mark 16:19) "So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God."

(John 17:24) "Father,I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory,...."

Stranger

 

[mjrhealth]

Who say anyone is going to Heaven in the first place?

Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
Joh 14:4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

Act_7:49 Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?

He did.

 

[brakelite]

When you have determined how to cite applicable scriptures; then maybe a conversation with you would be meaningful.

God Bless,
Taken

Hebrews 10:18-22

18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

21 And having an high priest over the house of God;

22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

Our High Priest, Jesus, our Mediator, ministers in the Most Holy Place of the heavenly sanctuary interceding on our behalf. Note that He is High Priest over the house of God. Not over the unbelievers. Your claim that you cannot sin is either profoundly arrogant or you have ceased to call your offenses against the law of God sin. Or maybe like all good Calvinists you believe the law has been "nailed to the cross" so therefore where no law is, there is no sin. You may then steal with impunity, although I am sure you wouldn't want to, but if you did, well, no worries. Jesus died right?
You need to study the OT and discover the role of the priest, especially the high priest regarding the day of atonement. Your salvation was not a guarantee for you at Calvary. You were justified. But so long as you ignore or choose to not accept or believe in the High Priest's ministry in heaven, then you are not sanctified. And unless you are truly sanctified, that is your actual behaviour and practice is made holy, (and not just some make-believe spiritual magic where "Jesus did it for me") then you shall not be glorified.
In the OT if the priest did not take the blood of the sacrifice into the holy place then the sacrifice availed for nothing. If Jesus is not ministering now on your behalf His own blood before the throne of God, then His sacrifice avails you nothing. If the priest simply killed the lamb then walked home, God would have struck him dead for not completing the process. The ministry inside the temple was just as essential as that which took place outside.

 

[Taken]

Oh. Is that why you are so confused?

I am not confused.

Im thinking

That is your error, not mine.

it's because you so manipulate the interpretation of Scripture and posts that you can't tell where you are at anymore. There is no order in your interpretation. It just is whatever you need it to be at the time. And if any question it, they are without understanding. So, your continual double talk leads into double posting. A natural progression, or digression.

No I do not manipulate Scriptures.
The Scriptures do not change. You can believe what it says or not.
Your understanding of Scripture is of no interst to me, when I have access to Gods understanding of His own Word.

With your understanding

My understanding of Gods Word, comes from God giving me His Understanding of His Word....a Gift from Him to me!

and manipulation of Scripture,

Repeating your accusation does not make it TRUE. It simply reveals you are repeating your accusation, as if, saying it repeatedly will make it true, when it doesn't.
(An old and boring liberal tactic!)

if you thought a conversation with me was meaningful, I would be worried. Hence, I like the good news.

I don't reply to your posts for your benefit, but rather for the benefit of others standing by who may be sparked to go and read and believe the truth for themselves.

God Bless,
Taken