Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it holy

[brakelite]

Do as HE says and you will be fine.

"If ye love Me, keep My commandments".

 

[mjrhealth]

"under the law"?

Than I would be a dead man, but God knows teh hearts of men, england sent thousand to prison for stealing a loaf of bread to feed there family, teh law condemned them, where was the love??

Hos 6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.

and yet here we stand with a free gift offered to men, a debt already paid, and men still trying to pay for the gift and to repay teh debt. No matter how "good" a man may think he is, he will never even come within one billionth of what Christ is.

 

[mjrhealth]

"If ye love Me, keep My commandments".

Mar_12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
Mar_12:31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

So keep it and you will be without condemnation.

 

[gadar perets]

Please forgive My Interruption, May I ask, Do you keep the Feast's as well, for tonight is the Passover, and the first High Sabbath of Unleavened Bread. According to God's Calendar, which I have been following for 19 years now. I know that these were Pilgrimage Feast's, for in the Land! But as a believer I want to keep what God said! You shall keep these Feast's throughout your Generation's forever!

Yes, I have been keeping the Feasts for 32 years. They are the highlight of our family's year, especially Passover and Sukkot. We had our seder last night. It is such a blessing to remember and proclaim the great work of YHWH in delivering the children of Israel out of Egyptian bondage and to teach about how YHWH delivered us out of the bondage of sin through His Son Yeshua, the true Passover Lamb. It sure beats coloring Easter eggs and eating chocolate bunny rabbits!

 

[gadar perets]

If by grace why do you persue the law

I do not pursue the law in order to be saved or justified. I pursue it because my Savior said to go and sin no more. What is sin? Sin is the transgression of the law (1 John 3:4). If I obey the law, then I won't sin. I show my love for YHWH and Yeshua by keeping their commandments, knowing that if I break a commandment, it is sin.

Rom_6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

"Under the law" mean under its condemnation. Let's read the next verse as well and replace the word sin with the definition of sin given in 1 John 3:4.

Rom 6:15 What then? shall we transgress the law, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
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God forbid that we transgress the law! Why? Because if we do, we SIN!

Rom 7:1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
Rom 7:2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
Rom 7:3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

to whom are you married how many "husbands" do you need, is not one enough.

I am not married to the law. I am espoused to Yeshua. However, I must have a relationship with Yeshua within the boundaries YHWH provides through His law in the same way that the husband and wife of verse 2 lived within the boundaries of Torah while they were married. Adam and Eve broke those boundaries while they were married and it brought sin and death upon the world. All men MUST live within the boundaries of YHWH will which is revealed in Torah which includes His commandments, statutes and judgments.

 

[gadar perets]

Did Jesus Christ become the sabbath for believers from all our work or not??

He became our rest from sin and from seeking to be justified by our own works. He did not become our Sabbath rest as it relates to physical labor. Our bodies were not designed to work hard seven days a week with no rest. Neither were animals designed to do that. Not only does working seven days a week rob us of a Sabbath rest, but it does not allow us time to worship the Almighty in a congregational setting as He commanded. It does not allow us time to commune with Him or study His Word or to fellowship with brethren of like faith. Satan would gladly rob believers of those things. Christians think they have all those things on Sunday, but their is NO blessing of a Sabbath rest on Sunday. That blessing was ONLY put on the 7th day of the week.

 

[bbyrd009]

hmm putting words into ones mouth a new one for you, you have done exactly what you are accusing me of.

ah well i thought i was just affirming your words, my apologies. You seem to have excluded yourself from Israel on purpose, seemed to me?

 

[bbyrd009]

keep it up bb its all fun isnt it.

mjr, i think many ppl have already made abundantly clear to you that it is not the vv that you choose to Quote that we have a prob with, ok; it is the ones you choose to ignore, and then cannot even address when Quoted to you, multiple times. You and HR are not kidding anyone with this, i don't think.

now these are doctrine, not judgements about your hearts, but i can't help but point out that your doctrine is not even a little bit Scriptural wadr, as you yourself demonstrate to us when you cannot address Scripture that you have not picked.

 

[gadar perets]

Than I would be a dead man, but God knows teh hearts of men, england sent thousand to prison for stealing a loaf of bread to feed there family, teh law condemned them, where was the love??

Hos 6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.

1Sa 15:22 And Samuel said, Hath YHWH as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of YHWH? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.
1Sa 15:23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of YHWH, he hath also rejected thee from being king.​

There was no mercy in your example, but there is mercy in ours. We do not condemn anyone, neither is any believer condemned by the law. The mercy comes from YHWH in forgiving our trespasses through the shed blood of Yeshua, but if we continue to break His laws, then we trample on His grace and mercy.

and yet here we stand with a free gift offered to men, a debt already paid, and men still trying to pay for the gift and to repay teh debt. No matter how "good" a man may think he is, he will never even come within one billionth of what Christ is.

That is your faulty assessment (false accusation) of us. We know full well that Yeshua paid the price and that we cannot, not even by obeying the law. We obey the law, endeavoring to sin no more, BECAUSE he paid the price and BECAUSE we love him and our Elohim, Almighty YHWH.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

I do not pursue the law in order to be saved or justified. I pursue it because my Savior said to go and sin no more. What is sin? Sin is the transgression of the law (1 John 3:4). If I obey the law, then I won't sin. I show my love for YHWH and Yeshua by keeping their commandments, knowing that if I break a commandment, it is sin.

"The blood of Christ MORE THAN ANYTHING, shall purge your conscience from DEAD WORKS TO SERVE THE LIVING GOD"!
Isaiah 64:6 ...all our righteous deeds are like a filthy garment; and all of us (like all the unrighteous) wither like a leaf, and our iniquities (just like theirs), like the wind, take us away.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Rom_6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

"Under the law" mean under its condemnation. Let's read the next verse as well and replace the word sin with the definition of sin given in 1 John 3:4.
Rom 6:15 What then? shall we transgress the law, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
God forbid that we transgress the law! Why? Because if we do, we SIN!

Good thinking! Good post.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

He became our rest from sin and from seeking to be justified by our own works. He did not become our Sabbath rest as it relates to physical labor. Our bodies were not designed to work hard seven days a week with no rest. Neither were animals designed to do that. Not only does working seven days a week rob us of a Sabbath rest, but it does not allow us time to worship the Almighty in a congregational setting as He commanded. It does not allow us time to commune with Him or study His Word or to fellowship with brethren of like faith. Satan would gladly rob believers of those things. Christians think they have all those things on Sunday, but their is NO blessing of a Sabbath rest on Sunday. That blessing was ONLY put on the 7th day of the week.

All good and true and Scriptural.

But ask

WHY do 'Christians think they have all those things on Sunday'?

WHY is there 'NO blessing of a Sabbath rest on Sunday'?

And WHY 'That blessing was ONLY put on the 7th day of the week'?

 

[gadar perets]

"The blood of Christ MORE THAN ANYTHING, shall purge your conscience from DEAD WORKS TO SERVE THE LIVING GOD"!
Isaiah 64:6 ...all our righteous deeds are like a filthy garment; and all of us (like all the unrighteous) wither like a leaf, and our iniquities (just like theirs), like the wind, take us away.

8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it isthe gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10For we are his workmanship, created in Messiah Yeshua , which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it isthe gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10For we are his workmanship, created in Messiah Yeshua , which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

"Even when we were dead in sins hath God quickened us together with and in Christ : BY GRACE (alone and only) are ye saved ... For we are his workmanship (God) created in Christ Jesus", workmanship God created in Him, "which God hath before, in Christ Jesus, ordained, that we should walk in them. ... 7 That in the ages to come God might show the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness through Christ Jesus towards us" who have achieved absolutely nothing and have not done one work of workmanship which God not created, ordained, worked, finished, and perfected in and through Christ Jesus.

You will see of course, this is not denying the Scripture you have placed; it's just seen from another point of view and in fuller context.

 

[Truth]

Yes, I have been keeping the Feasts for 32 years. They are the highlight of our family's year, especially Passover and Sukkot. We had our seder last night. It is such a blessing to remember and proclaim the great work of YHWH in delivering the children of Israel out of Egyptian bondage and to teach about how YHWH delivered us out of the bondage of sin through His Son Yeshua, the true Passover Lamb. It sure beats coloring Easter eggs and eating chocolate bunny rabbits!

Yes I Agree, It is a Delight, our Passover was probably in My opinion the Best yet, and the Best is yet to Come. It is just my Wife and Myself, and reenacting through Scripture, feeling as though we were part of that Great Day of Salvation is always a blessing, knowing that these are only a Shadow of thing's to Come. The Scripture say's that How do we know any man least we are of the Same Spirit, I know now that you are a Believer that truly Love's Our Savior! May YHWH Bless your Complete Family, in the Name Of Yashua!

 

[bbyrd009]

Than I would be a dead man, but God knows teh hearts of men, england sent thousand to prison for stealing a loaf of bread to feed there family, teh law condemned them, where was the love??

Hos 6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.

and yet here we stand with a free gift offered to men, a debt already paid, and men still trying to pay for the gift and to repay teh debt. No matter how "good" a man may think he is, he will never even come within one billionth of what Christ is.

ya, ya, blah blah blah, but see after you have ignored Scripture enough--except those you specifically cherry-pick, no other input allowed, right--and ignored other posts enough, you become known by what you do not say, see.

You are full of it and you know it, so you just take a day off, and ignore five or ten posts, and come back when it all blows over, right.

 

[bbyrd009]

So keep it and you will be without condemnation.

you should preach less and listen more, imo. Or even try to listen some, just for starters.

you deceive ppl into believing that they are having a conversation mjr,
when this is never true in dealing with you, in my experience anyway.

 

[gadar perets]

All good and true and Scriptural.

But ask

WHY do 'Christians think they have all those things on Sunday'?

Because many of them believe Sunday is the new Sabbath. Even those who think the Sabbath has been abolished believe they rest on Sunday since most people have off from work that day.

WHY is there 'NO blessing of a Sabbath rest on Sunday'?

And WHY 'That blessing was ONLY put on the 7th day of the week'?

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
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There is no blessing on the first day or the "eighth day". It is ONLY on the 7th day. There are no Scriptures anywhere showing the blessing taken off the 7th day or put on the first day.

It was only put on the 7th day because that is the day our Creator Himself rested to set the example for us. Yeshua continued that example as did the Apostle Paul.

 

[gadar perets]

All good and true and Scriptural.

But ask

WHY do 'Christians think they have all those things on Sunday'?

Because many of them believe Sunday is the new Sabbath. Even those who think the Sabbath has been abolished believe they rest on Sunday since most people have off from work that day.

WHY is there 'NO blessing of a Sabbath rest on Sunday'?

And WHY 'That blessing was ONLY put on the 7th day of the week'?

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
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There is no blessing on the first day or the "eighth day". It is ONLY on the 7th day. There are no Scriptures anywhere showing the blessing taken off the 7th day or put on the first day.

It was only put on the 7th day because that is the day our Creator Himself rested to set the example for us. Yeshua continued that example as did the Apostle Paul.

 

[Truth]

Mar_12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
Mar_12:31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.

So keep it and you will be without condemnation.

IN Matthew 5 starting at verse 17- This is Jesus speaking, OK,17- Do not think that I have come to destroy the Law OR the Prophets. I did not come to destroy But to Fulfill. 18 - For Assuredly, I Say to you, Until Heaven and Earth pass away, one jot or tittle will BY NO MEANS pass from the Law till all is Fulfilled!

Now do we have in Context that our Savior is Speaking about the Law and the Prophets!!!
Not all is Fulfilled yet, only Half is Fulfilled, He came the first time as the suffering Servant, When He Returns He will Fulfill the other Half!
Is Heaven and Earth still here? even to a Casual Observer??
At this point I will ask again? do we have what Jesus is speaking about in Context, the LAW and the Prophets?
verse 19- Whoever Breaks one of the Least of these Commandment's and TEACHES others to do SO, then He shall be called Least in the Kingdom, BUT, Whoever does [ keep these the Least of the Commandment's] and Teaches them Shall be Called GREAT in the Kingdom of Heaven!! This is where Our Savior began to Teach His Disciple's the Rule's of the Kingdom, The King is teaching!

Read Leviticus 23-OK verses 1-21 are about the Spring Feasts, this is the First Half Our Savior Fulfilled!! In verse 22 the narration changes to making sure that there is a Provision for the Poor and also the Stranger in the Land!! This Provision is the door of Salvation to the World. Once Our Savior Fulfilled the Spring Feast's which was Complete on the Day of Pentecost the Nation's were Provided for!
The Fall Feast's starting at verse 24 Have not yet been Fulfilled. One and only one Question? According to Scripture What is SIN??