Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it holy

[mjrhealth]

He does not want to be left with them. That is why He made them for man and gave them to man. His purpose in doing so was to bless us with a physical rest, with time to commune with Him and fellowship with other believers, with time to feed from His Word, and as a sign so we would know who sanctifies us (our Creator, the Creator of the Sabbath). He did not give us that gift to have it thrown back in His face or trampled on.

He does not want to be left with them. That is why He made them for man and gave them to man. His purpose in doing so was to bless us with a physical rest, with time to commune with Him and fellowship with other believers, with time to feed from His Word, and as a sign so we would know who sanctifies us (our Creator, the Creator of the Sabbath). He did not give us that gift to have it thrown back in His face or trampled on.

we have 24hrs a day, seven days a week, even that is not enough time with God, and you are not resting because the law and all that sabbath keeping is your own works, Thats teh sad thing about it all,

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

They were not guiltless because they were in the “Temple”. The Temple wasn’t even built yet when David ate the showbread. This is referring to the Tabernacle.

Jesus said temple. It may not have been the Temple, but certainly not a tabernacle.

Matthew 12:6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.

So explain Jesus point for saying verse 6 after giving you those 2 examples in the O.T. because I see Him saying that they were guiltless for being in the temple and yet One greater than the temple was here to explain why His disciples were guiltless because He was with them.

They were guiltless of eating the showbread which was only for the priests. They were guiltless because they were hungry which takes precedence over the law. Yeshua’s reference to the Temple only applies to the last example he gave of the priests in the Temple. They were blameless because the God of Israel commanded them to do all that work.

“Christ's argument is, that if the temple, and the service of it, excused the priests from blame, in doing things in it on the sabbath day, which otherwise might not be done; then much more might his presence, who was greater than the temple, excuse his disciples from blame in this action of rubbing and eating the ears of corn; which was done to satisfy hunger, and to render them the more capable of performing their ministerial function; and which was of more importance than the service of the priests.” John Gill’s Commentary.​

The Temple had nothing to do with them being blameless. If that were true, then Numbers 18:22 would be a useless law since once they entered the Tabernacle they would be guiltless. If someone murdered a priest in the Tabernacle, would he be guiltless because it happened in the Tabernacle? Of course not.

This is why Jesus had given us 2 examples for why your explanation cannot fly for being the reason. This was the first example given by Him.

Matthew 12:3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him; 4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?

David and those with him were not priests and so your attempt to defer from verse 6 of His defense for His disciples is null and void. And...

Matthew 12:1At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat.

Jesus did not command them to pluck the ears of corn to eat.. so don't bother going there.

I condemn no one. I educate so that none will be guilty of sin and so that they can receive the blessing of Sabbath rest.

If you tell christians that they are guilty for not keeping the sabbath day then you are condemning them as "guilty".

The Sabbath was never lord over the people. It was created to be a blessing, but the rulers of Israel turned it into a burden. If Yeshua is Lord over the Sabbath Day under the New Covenant, then we should obviously keep it holy under the New Covenant, not abolish it.

The sabbath day commandment is not abolished; it still exists but because Jesus Christ is in us is why all believers that profane the sabbath day are guiltless.

We are to judge those within the Body of Messiah regarding sin so that the entire Body does not become infected with it. Sadly, much of the Body is already infected with the sin of Sabbath desecration, but it is not too late to restore it to its former glory.

We are NOT guiltless when we break YHWH’s laws unless we break them to preserve life or health. If we do break them and are guilty, we can have our guilt removed through confession and repentance.

Jesus is our sabbath. Jesus is our resting place. Not the seventh day of the week. We rest in Him from keeping that sabbath day.

What you teach as serious as you make it out to be, is seriously missing in all the epistles to the early churches in the New Testament, but there are verses about not judging any one in respect to a holy day or the sabbath days because the Lord is able to make them stand.

Now you can dance around all those words and what Jesus was really talking about in Matthew 12:1-7 as much as you like, but you have to consider that none of the 7 churches in Revelations were chastened for not keeping the sabbath day and yet you know the majority of christians today are not sabbath day keepers, and in all respect..... neither are you for not stoning christians for not keeping the sabbath day as commanded under the Old Covenant and there is nothing under the New Covenant that gives you exceptions for not stoning anyone for not keeping the sabbath day.

 

[bbyrd009]

The rest we have in Yeshua is only a foretaste of the rest to come at his second coming when we will be dwelling in the presence of the Father and the Son in the glorious "heavenly country".

"labor to enter that rest" imo, and see where the Second Coming must manifest. Good expose of works there, nice

 

[bbyrd009]

Sin abounded before teh law

um, no law, no sin, sorry

 

[gadar perets]

And you talk about me ignoring the point, you know what I am talking about.

I addressed your point in a previous post.

Rom 5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

Sin entered the world because Adam broke YHWH's command/law to not eat from the tree. Paul is referring to the codified law at Sinai, not YHWH's oral laws such as in Genesis 2:16-17.

Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

Do you know what that means, no more condemnation...

I agree, which is exactly what I wrote in post #595. Removing the condemnation does not equate with removing the law.

Joh 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
Joh 16:9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;

no longer teh law that convicts men of sin, it is His Spirit, because we are no longer under the law but grace, but those who dont beleieve in Him and what He done walk in guilt and so therefore are condemned,

The Holy Spirit convicts us of breaking YHWH's laws which is sin.

Heb_9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Yes, part of his mission was to put away sin, but that does not mean we no longer sin. We still break YHWH's laws and sin.

You should study this bit

Luk 5:36 And he spake also a parable unto them; No man putteth a piece of a new garment upon an old; if otherwise, then both the new maketh a rent, and the piece that was taken out of the new agreeth not with the old.
Luk 5:37 And no man putteth new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish.
Luk 5:38 But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved.
Luk 5:39 No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.

so many still following after the old.

You call the Sabbath old, but the majority of Christians try to live by the other nine of the Ten Commandments. Yet, they don't consider them "the old". Why? Christianity, for the most part, is ignorant of the FACT that the Sabbath is part of the New Covenant.

Rom_8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

And having done that, Paul goes on to say;

Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
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Is your mind subject to the Law of God mjrhealth? It seems to me that you don't want anything to do with His laws.

 

[gadar perets]

we have 24hrs a day, seven days a week, even that is not enough time with God, and you are not resting because the law and all that sabbath keeping is your own works, Thats teh sad thing about it all,

How do you know my Sabbath keeping is my own work and not a work of God in me? Why isn't obeying the Sabbath included among the good works that we were ordained to walk in (Ephesian 2:10)?

 

[Jun2u]

People spiritualizes when they need to without realizing that God spoke in parables and without a parable, He did not speak. They desire to be teachers understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm (1 Timothy 1:7).

@gadar perets has affirmed that he searched the scriptures as the Bereans did, yet in my view, after 32 years of studies.he has not even scratched the surface of the mystery of the 4th Commandment.

He was not even aware of Matthew 28:1 how God changed the Seventh Day Sabbath to the Sunday Sabbath, and how the Gentile believers already began to worship on that day as declared in Acts 13:42.

Nor was he aware why the man that picked up sticks on the Sabbath in Numbers 15 was to be stoned to death, because gadar didn't know the spiritual significance.

Again he did not understand the spiritual significance of Hebrews 4.

All the above must be factored in, in order to understand how to keep the 4th Commandment Holy. Nor does he understands that the Sabbaths is but a shadow.

For those who are further interested, I suggest they go to Bible Study Forum and click on page 10, and look up the topic "God Changed the Seventh Day Sabbath Worship to Sunday Sabbath." The questions and answers, statements and comments from all posters are much more significant there.

To God Be The Glory.

 

[pia]

Sin is transgression of the law (1 John 3:4).

But where there is no law, there can be no trespass......So do you honestly think that now, AFTER what Jesus has done, NOW we can fulfill the law ????? If you want to try to be justified by the law, go right ahead....As for me, I will gratefully receive the precious gift of His mighty Grace and agree with Him, that it is something I simply cannot do...I do not have perfect control over all my thoughts, and since even looking at something or someone from a place of want / lust is a sin, not to mention all the words we speak, which are most definitely NOT in agreement with God being sin, well honestly...Better to just cling to Him and stop trying to have two Masters..

 

[gadar perets]

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[gadar perets]

Nor was he aware why the man that picked up sticks on the Sabbath in Numbers 15 was to be stoned to death, because gadar didn't know the spiritual significance.

Are you going to enlighten us about its spiritual significance?

Again he did not understand the spiritual significance of Hebrews 4.

Of course I do, but because it doesn't agree with your lack of insight, you reject it.

 

[gadar perets]

But where there is no law, there can be no trespass......

Then how did Adam or Cain or trespass?

So do you honestly think that now, AFTER what Jesus has done, NOW we can fulfill the law ?????

Of course.

Romans 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Romans 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
Romans 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.​

If you want to try to be justified by the law, go right ahead....

I am justified by faith in Messiah Yeshua. It is Sabbath breakers that falsely accuse Sabbath keepers of seeking to be justified by the law.

As for me, I will gratefully receive the precious gift of His mighty Grace and agree with Him, that it is something I simply cannot do...I do not have perfect control over all my thoughts, and since even looking at something or someone from a place of want / lust is a sin, not to mention all the words we speak, which are most definitely NOT in agreement with God being sin, well honestly...Better to just cling to Him and stop trying to have two Masters..

Really? You cannot stop stealing and murdering and committing adultery and idolatry and bearing false witness and coveting and taking YHWH's name in vain and making graven images and you can't honor your parents? Does that mean you are allowing sin to have dominion over you (Romans 6:14)? Or that you are carnally minded since you cannot subject yourself to the law (Romans 8:7)?

 

[pia]

Or that you are carnally minded since you cannot subject yourself to the law (Romans 8:7)?

When you stay close to Him the last thing that occurs in your mind or heart is to commit any sin, but not because you are trying really hard not to....It just doesn't seem to get a way in....but during my times of doubt ( mostly because of religious Christians) I certainly did sin in thought and words but He also cleansed me from that and kept helping me come into that most awesome Truth of Him......Do you honestly believe you do not and will not sin from now on until you die ? So I guess the Bible is wrong in that part about the only One who is worthy ? Seems you're saying that lots of people will be worthy to open the scrolls in Heaven, when the time comes, since they will somehow be sinless by their own efforts.
If a person lives in The Love of the Lord, you cannot do any of the things you listed anyway..When you love someone you don't kill them, or steal from them, or have an affair with their spouse or whatever....it covers it all.....If you are so interested in keeping the law, keep the one Jesus said He left with us....You are well on your way if you can truly love others as He loves us.....

 

[mjrhealth]

um, no law, no sin, sorry

Rom_5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Who was that man, Adam, when did teh law come.

From Adam to Moses was about 2500 years, and in that time was sin,

Rom_5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
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so you see, sin was around ling time before we had the law, the law brought condemnation So many love walking around condemned.

 

[mjrhealth]

Sin entered the world because Adam broke YHWH's command/law to not eat from the tree

God does not make demands as you so nicely put it. It like telling your kids, dont play with matches you will get burned". Its not a demand it is good advice, they simply where deceived and fell for the lie.

The Holy Spirit convicts us of breaking YHWH's laws which is sin.

No, simply sin because men dont believe in the finished work of Christ, nothing to do with God laws, When you are late for an appointment and get mad with yourself, you have sinned against yourself, nothing to do with God but still sin.

 

[gadar perets]

When you stay close to Him the last thing that occurs in your mind or heart is to commit any sin, but not because you are trying really hard not to....It just doesn't seem to get a way in....but during my times of doubt ( mostly because of religious Christians) I certainly did sin in thought and words but He also cleansed me from that and kept helping me come into that most awesome Truth of Him......

I agree. However, if there was no law against stealing, for example, I guarantee you that we would have a lot more Christian thieves. Why? Because there would be no law telling us it is wrong. That is what has happened to the Sabbath. Christian preachers/teachers drill it into their flocks heads that that law has been changed or abolished, so the Christian has no conscience against breaking it.

Do you honestly believe you do not and will not sin from now on until you die ?

I never said such a thing. I have already said in several posts that if we sin we can confess, repent and be forgiven. I do know that I do not do any of those things as a lifestyle, but that cannot be said of Christians. It is their lifestyle to trample on the 7th day of the week (most unknowingly).

If a person lives in The Love of the Lord, you cannot do any of the things you listed anyway..When you love someone you don't kill them, or steal from them, or have an affair with their spouse or whatever....it covers it all.....If you are so interested in keeping the law, keep the one Jesus said He left with us....You are well on your way if you can truly love others as He loves us.....

When you love someone, you will not cause them to work on the Sabbath. You will allow them to receive the blessing YHWH put on the 7th day.

 

[gadar perets]

so you see, sin was around ling time before we had the law, the law brought condemnation So many love walking around condemned.

Gen 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
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[mjrhealth]

Gen 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
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What laws, God hadnt written them yet, have you not read

Joh_1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Rom 10:2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
Rom 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
Rom 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

 

[gadar perets]

God does not make demands as you so nicely put it. It like telling your kids, dont play with matches you will get burned". Its not a demand it is good advice, they simply where deceived and fell for the lie.

Good advice???

Gen 2:16 And YHWH Elohim commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Gen 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.​

Gen 3:11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?

Gen 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;​

The word commanded in Hebrew is the same word used in Deuteronomy 5:12;

Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as YHWH thy Elohim has commanded thee.
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[gadar perets]

What laws, God hadnt written them yet, have you not read

Joh_1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

There were many laws that existed before Sinai. What was commanded at Sinai are many of those same laws. They were simply codified at that time.

Rom 10:2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
Rom 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
Rom 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Yes, he is the end of trying to keep the law in order to be righteous. That is not why I or Paul or Yeshua kept the law.

 

[mjrhealth]

Yes, he is the end of trying to keep the law in order to be righteous. That is not why I or Paul or Yeshua kept the law.

No we Love, love needs no laws. Love is made for bad people, laws dont stop people from being bad, making mistakes, or committing sin.

Love does not,

Hate,
kill,
Lust
Steal,
etc etc. Love needs no laws, but as I said before, Bad people do.

1Ti_1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

See our righteousness in by Christ not our own, cant be earned, or brought, it comes from Him alone. No keep9ng any laws can give you that, All the flesh.