Once Saved....always Saved - Results of Questionnaire.

[BreadOfLife]

@BreadOfLife

Have you ever wondered as I often do....what on earth these people would post about on this forum site if you weren't here?

You draw so much attention.lol

They would just keep posting the same, ignorant anti-Catholic filth that they always have - only without me to expose them . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Your misunderstanding is about Salvation.
You IMPLY you can not LOSE something, you never POSSESSED.
Scripture teaches Salvation IS A GIFT.
Scripture teaches Salvation IS A GIFT for ALL men TO TAKE and HAVE and THUS POSSESS.
Scripture teaches IF ONE NEVER TAKES and and RECEIVES and HAS and POSSESS the GIFT......
THEY DON"T POSSESS THE GIFT!

Learning ABOUT the gift....IS NOT POSSESSING the gift.
IT is Learning the Gift exists.
IT is Learning HOW TO TAKE and POSSESS the Gift.
en who are Learning ABOUT the gift...
....ARE being enlightened to the Word of God.
Men who are being enlightened to the Word of God......ARE being enlightened BY the Word of God......WHICH IS GOD HIMSELF, WHO IS SPIRIT!

Men WHO ARE being Enlightened...are BEGINNING to receive the GIFT OF FAITH...
The Gift of Faith IS Gods GIFT TO a MAN WHO IS being enlightened!
Continue...being enlightened...Continue receiving the Gift of Faith from the Holy Spirit.
Continue...and a mans HEART becomes FULL of Faith.
Continue ...and a mans HEART is prepared to CONFESS His Faithfulness to the Lord, and RECEIVE......the Lords CONVERSION.
The Conversion IS WHEN the man;
RECEIVES the Gift of Forgiveness.
RECEIVES the Gift of Crucifixion with Christ.
RECEIVES the Gift of Cleansing his body.
RECEIVES the Gift of body Sanctification.
RECEIVES the Gift of Salvation of his soul.
RECEIVES the Gift of Gods Seed...quickening the mans spirit.
RECEIVES the Gift of God overpowering the mans sins, with Gods INDWELLING LIGHT.
RECEIVES the Gift of God Forever being WITH the man, and He Forever Being the mans God.
Not everyone who begins learning, being enlightened, following along.......CONTINUE
Following, CONTINUE learning, CONTINUE being gifted with Faith, CONTINUE being enlightened........
THEY CHOOSE TO WALK AWAY...
And BECAUSE they WALK AWAY...
THEY stop being enlightened.
THEY stop receiving Faith.
THEY thwart their opportunity to Receive Converstion.
THEY LOSE OUT on receiving thei Gifts Prepared FOR THEM "TO" RECEIVE.

They LOSE OUT.......because they HAVE FALLEN FROM FAITH.
They LOSE OUT.....because they NEVER received "THEIR" prepared Gift of Salvation.
They were being Enlightened....and have FALLEN AWAY.
YOU attempt to MAKE THEM having already receive the Conversion, of Gifts of Salvation, of Gods Seed, of Gods Indwelling Spirit........and then claim they can FALL AWAY.
I totally disagree with that teaching.
God is a God of the Living.
A Conversion of a man, makes a man FOREVER Living WITH God.
A Conversion is NEVER Taught to be UNDONE.

You're STILL not getting it.

A gift is not something that can be "taken away" - and I agree with you on that.
HOWEVER - a gift is something that you can THROW AWAY.

What YOU and others here are trying to sell is the idea that a gift is given to you and you are forced to hold onto it. As I have AMPLY show - with Scripture - that this goes against the word of God.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Foolishness
Basing your belief in God from someone called a church father who pressumably hung out with Saint John is proof of nothing.
If that's all you've got, then you got nothing.

That's not what I said or even implied.

I used the quote from John's student, Ignatius to show what the Early Church believed and to show continuity of those beliefs in the Catholic Church - which are non-existent in Protestant sects.

If you're not even going to TRY to say something intelligent - try not to respond at all.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Like I said no evidence, and all the evidence is stacked against you. Jesus doesnt go around forcing people art pain of death to join His church. Thats the devils doing.

And the Church never went around "forcing" people to join either.

If this is what you believe -= then show me some documented proof - or get out of the way and let others here argue then point intelligently.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Men can fall from faith, fall from Gods Grace, fall from believing, walk away in disbelief....
THEY FALL BECAUSE they DID NOT "RECEIVE" Gods GIFTS!!!!!!!
They Forfeit RECEIVING Gods Forgiveness, Gods Sanctification, Salvation, Gods Seed, Gods Conversion...
You attempt to MAKE men WHO HAVE been Converted....SUBJECT TO FALLING AWAY...
I totally disagree.

This is a completely FALSE statement.

the verse I provided ALL point to born again, spirit-filled people who FELL VACK into sin and LOST their secure position. They has an "Epignosis" of God, which is a full, experiential knowledge of Him.

 

[Heb 13:8]

@BreadOfLife

Have you ever wondered as I often do....what on earth these people would post about on this forum site if you weren't here?

You draw so much attention.lol

cheap enternaimnent, flesh forums

 

[BreadOfLife]

Impossible
He was never saved to begin with
Man can fool you and I, but man cannot fool God

Tell that to Taken - who made these comments . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

No one in the Bible ever called it the romanist church
The world did that

Exactly.
To be more precise - the IGNORANT people in the worlds call it the "Romanist" Church.

No such thing . . .

 

[Heb 13:8]

A gift is not something that can be "taken away" - and I agree with you on that. HOWEVER - a gift is something that you can THROW AWAY.

What YOU and others here are trying to sell is the idea that a gift is given to you and you are forced to hold onto it. As I have AMPLY show - with Scripture - that this goes against the word of God.

Isn't blood permanent. If you sin he's still your dad

Rev 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood

 

[Heb 13:8]

the IGNORANT people

hypocrisy is grand, the blind folowing blind into hell

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Exactly.
To be more precise - the IGNORANT people in the worlds call it the "Romanist" Church.

No such thing . . .

Oh, there is such a thing.
You're living proof of it.
Unless of course you're just a Jesuit looking to get a doctorate at Loyola majoring in rip-off romanism
Or maybe you're just someone's computer program

 

[mjrhealth]

And the Church never went around "forcing" people to join either.

And you claim to be so clever and learned, you really should read those history books you insist are full of lies, because they are full of lots of truth. But how ca none do such a thing when one has idols in ones heart.
And the truth will set you free.

 

[Taken]

Why do you assume to know me?
How do you know what I thank God for?
Do you suppose YOU are the only one on this forum glorifying God?
I don't require a response.

How is there an assumption, by asking questions? Didn't you just do the same?

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Taken]

You brought up the silliness,
I hope I've ended it.
No response is required.

It was an analogy which was being turned into the topic that was the silliness.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Taken]

You're STILL not getting it.

A gift is not something that can be "taken away" - and I agree with you on that.
HOWEVER - a gift is something that you can THROW AWAY.

First of all ~ it appears you and I do not have the SAME UNDERSTANDING of what SALVATION MEANS.

Your rendition of Salvation appears to be a specific process from hearing, learning, agreeing to believe, to doing works, to a man Keeping himself in obedience to these things until the end of his natural life.....and IF the man accompolishes those things ....
THEN he will be Saved.

Also during anytime, the man fails, he can ask for forgiveness, and the man continues the process.

And you call this "cooperation"...correct?

OR during anytime, the man fails to accompolish those things, and stops those things; the man shall not be Saved.

And you call this:
"fallen away"....correct?
"Lost his salvation"...correct?
"fallen from grace"...correct?

Is that a sufficient rendition of your belief of how a man obtains the Gift of Salvation?

What YOU and others here are trying to sell is the idea that a gift is given to you and you are forced to hold onto it.

No, that is in error.

You and others are saying FORCED.

But none, not you, not others have said...what triggers this CHANGE to throw away your salvation.

Perhaps you could answer.
Is it when a person changes their mind?

What I have said is; Several things;
1) an individual has the choice to hear & read
2) an individual who is hearing and reading is receiving enlightment.
3) enlightment is the receiving of Gods Word
4) A man who is receiving Gods Word, is also being gifted with faith FROM God.
5) Thereafter the individual can contemplate and decide "IF" he wants to give "HIS LIFE" to Christ.
6) A man "WHO" decides "he" wants to GIVE "HIS LIFE" "TO" "CHRIST", does so BY directly calling ON THE Lord Jesus; repenting; and CONFESSING "his belief" IN "CHRIST".

7) THIS IS NOT FORCE....It IS THE MANS FREEWILL CHOICE.

8) The Lord immediately CONVERTS a man who gives A TRUE CONFESSION.

9) HOW does the Lord KNOW, it is a TRUE CONFESSION?

10) HOW does the Lord KNOW, "LATER" "IF" the man may DECIDE to STOP BELIEVING?

11) HOW does the Lord KNOW, "IF" He is being TRICKED into Converting a man WHO WILL LATER REJECT Him?

You should know the answer...The Lord IS ALL KNOWING. He can not be tricked or mocked.

12) Any MAN WHO submits HIS LIFE "TO" "CHRIST"....IS A MAN WHO is Willingly submitting "TO" "CHRIST" and "TO" "HIS AUTHORITY" and "HIS POWER"
"TO" completely "MAKE THE MAN WHOLE".

13) A man "MADE WHOLE"...addresses the "FORGIVENESS" and "CONVERSION" of the "WHOLE" of the man.

14) THE "WHOLE" of a man IS;
Body
Soul
Spirit

1 Thes 5:23
...The VERY God of peace sanctify you WHOLLY.
...your WHOLE spirit.
...your WHOLE soul.
...your WHOLE body.

14) HOW? An individual giving "his Life" to
CHRIST.

15) HOW? By the POWER of CHRIST "TO" convert the man WHOLLY.

16) WHY? Because of the MAN having received the GIFT OF FAITH, from God.

17) WHY? Because the man CHOSE, to hear, learn, read, follow, be enlightened, and CONTINUED until the MAN CHOSE to GIVE his LIFE TO CHRIST.

SCRIPTURE IS CLEAR....
Believing IS ONE THING...
CONVERSION IS ANOTHER THING...

You do TWO THINGS ~

You MIX Believing and Conversion.

TRUE...one can not become converted without believing.

However MANY can believe...without having become CONVERTED.

You mix the two. You make claims that men WHO ARE hearing, learning, believing, "ARE" converted.......when they "ARE NOT".

And absolutely ANY MAN, believing, WHO IS NOT CONVERTED "CAN" fall from faith. "CAN" lose his Salvation........BECAUSE HE HAS NEVER "RECEIVED" a Converstion.

You also MIX in things that specifically and historically applied to JEWS/Hebrews ONLY.

Specifically....Continuing to SIN.
Believers in God...(Hebrews & Jews)
...Continued to SIN.
..."THEIR" SINS, were ACCORDING TO DIsobedience "TO" "THEIR" LAWS.

You continuously CHARGE "Gentiles" "IN CHRIST" with having COMMITED SIN...ACCORDING TO JEWISH LAWS...

WHY? WHAT does a Jewish LAW, have to DO with A GENTILE "IN CHRIST" ?


ALSO Specifically .... ENDURING to their END of life.


OF COURSE "Jews/Hebrews" had to "ENDURE" in "cooperation", in "obedience"....
"TO" THEIR LAWS....

THEY HAD NO PERMANENT FORGIVENESS OR OFFERING OF PERMANENT BLOOD.

THEY HAD A DIFFERENT COVENANT...
Repeated offerings of Animal Blood.
Repeated offerings of Animal Body's.
Repeated pleas for Forgiveness.
Repeated festivals and traditions.

THOSE WHO SUBJECT THEMSELVES
"TO" "CHRIST"....ACCEPT "HIS" ONE TIME OFFERING ...."OF"
HIS BODY.
HIS BLOOD.
FOR the "INDIVIDUAL"S" acceptable PAYMENT...

A man WHO, "willingly", BY HIS CHOICE...
Eats of Christ's BODY...
Drinks of Christ's BLOOD...

"IS" specifically ACCEPTING "CHRIST" GIFT OF CONVERSION...
"IS" specifically accepting "CHRISTS" BLOOD to FORGIVE and WASH the mans SINS out of the mans LIFE (and a mans life IS HIS TAINTED BLOOD).

A man WHO, "willingly", BY HIS CHOICE...
EATS of Christ's BODY "IS" specifically ACCEPTING TO EAT the WORD of God...
And the Lord WRITES HIS WORD in the Hearts of men, WHO have ASKED and agreed to EAT HIS WORD.

A man making a gesture of gathering together TO accept communion IS Specifically MEN IN "CHRIST" "remembering" WHAT Christ's BLOOD and BODY offering, GAVE TO THEM "FOREVER"!

FORCED? No. A mans WILLING CHOICE.
A MAN FORCED TO KEEP? NO...

The KEEPING HAS "NOTHING WHATSOEVER" to do with a man. The KEEPING is "part of the conversion"..THE KEEPING "IS" effected SOLELY by the POWER OF GOD...ie CHRIST.

Scripture teaches...TO BE SURE...a conversion IS what you want. Because when YOU ASK FOR IT.......as Scripture teaches...
YOU WILL RECEIVE.

Nothing in Scripture teaches...YOU WILL RECEIVE, and then you can "change your mind" and throw it away.

YOUR MIND DOES NOT PLAY A PART IN the Lord CONVERTING A MAN.
NOT for receiving conversion.
NOT for "discarding" ones conversion.

And the Lord is NOT FOOLED, by a man who may one day CLAIM to BELIEVE, CLAIM he IS Converted...then CLAIM to NOT BELIEVE.

He was NEVER CONVERTED.

And a man WHO SIMPLY Claims to BELIEVE...
Whoo hoo...THAT does NOT MEAN Converted.

ONCE SAVED...DOES NOT MEAN, Belief.

ONCE SAVED...DOES MEAN...Belief AND Converted.

ONCE SAVED...ALWAYS SAVED
MEANS ONCE CONVERTED...
IT IS FOREVER....and the man IS FOREVER KEPT by the POWER OF GOD.

John 10:28 - 29
NO MAN, (not yourself, not another man)...
NO MAN, can pluck a converted man OUT of the hand of God.

As I have AMPLY show - with Scripture - that this goes against the word of God.

NO ONE SCRIPTURE you have presented speaks of a CONVERTED MAN.

The scriptures you have repeatedly presented, speak of men being enlightened, receiving the Word of God, hearing knowledge, learning knowledge, believing, and BEING WARNED to KEEP following and believing.....FOR IF THEY DO NOT....they shall LOSE out.......they shall lose their opportunity for being steeped in FAITH, AND for becoming CONVERTED.

PUT yourself in THEIR shoes. Remember a time of hearing ABOUT the Lord Jesus....ON A FEW OCCASIONS...."YOU" were no more PREPARED TO COMMIT to a CONVERSION then they were. They were LEARNING ABOUT the Lord. They were being TAUGHT, HOW IMPORTANT "CONTINUING " Hearing HIS WORD IS....BECAUSE IT LEADS TO strengthening of Faith, and Belief, and THEREAFTER CONVERSION.....

"FOR" those "WHO DO CONTINUE"

Take Judas for example...he followed, he believed, he was one on one with Jesus.
And as soon as he wanted to DO SOMTHING, that Jesus DID NOT AGREE WITH...
Judas' whole demeanor CHANGED...
He stopped believing, following, and went the extra mile TO DECEIVE his fellow believers, and BETRAY Jesus.
HE FELL FROM FAITH.
He FELL FROM Grace.

HOW is that possible when he had believed?
Because he WAS NOT YET CONVERTED.
He didn't KEEP following long enough to become steeped in Faith, and BECOME forgiven and CONVERTED.

You are attempting to make MAN...not YET Converted.......as IF THEY WERE....when they WERE NOT. And absolutely a man NOT converted CAN FALL FROM FAITH...CAN FALL from Grace.

ONCE SAVED......IS A Converted man.
Converted BECAUSE the man submitted HIS LIFE, "TO" Christ, and Accepted Christ's Forgiveness, Christ's Blood, Christ's Body, Christ's crucifixion, Christ's Seed, Christ's Indwelling POWER to KEEP the man FOREVER in Faith to ONLY, thee Lord God Almighty.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Isn't blood permanent. If you sin he's still your dad

Rev 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood

That's not the point. Like the Prodigal Son - I can leave my dad and reject him. He may still be my dad but I don't have to accept anything that he leaves to me.

God gives us a gift - but He doesn't force us to keep it.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Oh, there is such a thing.
You're living proof of it.
Unless of course you're just a Jesuit looking to get a doctorate at Loyola majoring in rip-off romanism
Or maybe you're just someone's computer program

I'm neither belong to this "Romanist" sect you speak of - not have I ever heard of it.

As for being a "Jesuit" - that is a priestly order and I am not a priest.

Like I said before - if you don't want to have an intelligent conversation - the don't bother posting.

 

[BreadOfLife]

And you claim to be so clever and learned, you really should read those history books you insist are full of lies, because they are full of lots of truth. But how ca none do such a thing when one has idols in ones heart.
And the truth will set you free.

Then enlighten me with the historical "facts".
SHOW me where the Church forced people to become Catholic by "pain of death."

If you can't prove the things you are saying - then they're just manure . . .

 

[Taken]

This is a completely FALSE statement.

the verse I provided ALL point to born again, spirit-filled people who FELL VACK into sin and LOST their secure position. They has an "Epignosis" of God, which is a full, experiential knowledge of Him.

Seriously dude?
How many YEARS did you hear and LEARN ABOUT CHRIST?...and Hopefully STILL Learning?...and you think men being taught, hearing a FEW sermons, hearing read a FEW letters were in FULL experiential knowledge?

???

A mans secure position is IN the Word of God.
Hear it a few times, and then stop....you do lose your SECURE POSITION TO RECEIVE Salvation and a Quickened Spirit.

It was not secret the early learners of Christ, needed to repeatedly and bit by bit learn more about Christ ... just like people today.

This information was FOREIGN to them...
For 4,000 years they had been taught like you teach today, like men called Jews who do not believe in Jesus is the Christ, teach today...

Obey the laws, keep "cooperating" and if you do well (endure) until the end of your natural life you will be saved.

Protestants teach...give your life to Christ...
BE COME DEAD NOW; Crucified with Christ, and accept HIS Blood forgiveness, and accept to LIVE IN HIS BODY, and Be Kept Forever Freed from Sin BY HIS Indwelling Power.

Jews can NOT accept KILLING THEIR BODY OF SIN.....because they (not all) do not Accept Jesus IS the Christ.

You MIX it up, NOT according to Scripture.
YOU WAIT for your body to DIE...SO YOU CAN OBTAIN SALVATION.
While CLAIMING your body is already DEAD..
Which IS THE DEATH, that ALLOWS one to RECEIVE Salvation AND a born again spirit.

Your teaching is neither Scriptural, nor makes common sense...

 

[BreadOfLife]

First of all ~ it appears you and I do not have the SAME UNDERSTANDING of what SALVATION MEANS.

Your rendition of Salvation appears to be a specific process from hearing, learning, agreeing to believe, to doing works, to a man Keeping himself in obedience to these things until the end of his natural life.....and IF the man accompolishes those things ....
THEN he will be Saved.

Also during anytime, the man fails, he can ask for forgiveness, and the man continues the process.

And you call this "cooperation"...correct?

OR during anytime, the man fails to accompolish those things, and stops those things; the man shall not be Saved.

And you call this:
"fallen away"....correct?
"Lost his salvation"...correct?
"fallen from grace"...correct?

Is that a sufficient rendition of your belief of how a man obtains the Gift of Salvation?



No, that is in error.

You and others are saying FORCED.

But none, not you, not others have said...what triggers this CHANGE to throw away your salvation.

Perhaps you could answer.
Is it when a person changes their mind?

What I have said is; Several things;
1) an individual has the choice to hear & read
2) an individual who is hearing and reading is receiving enlightment.
3) enlightment is the receiving of Gods Word
4) A man who is receiving Gods Word, is also being gifted with faith FROM God.
5) Thereafter the individual can contemplate and decide "IF" he wants to give "HIS LIFE" to Christ.
6) A man "WHO" decides "he" wants to GIVE "HIS LIFE" "TO" "CHRIST", does so BY directly calling ON THE Lord Jesus; repenting; and CONFESSING "his belief" IN "CHRIST".

7) THIS IS NOT FORCE....It IS THE MANS FREEWILL CHOICE.

8) The Lord immediately CONVERTS a man who gives A TRUE CONFESSION.

9) HOW does the Lord KNOW, it is a TRUE CONFESSION?

10) HOW does the Lord KNOW, "LATER" "IF" the man may DECIDE to STOP BELIEVING?

11) HOW does the Lord KNOW, "IF" He is being TRICKED into Converting a man WHO WILL LATER REJECT Him?

You should know the answer...The Lord IS ALL KNOWING. He can not be tricked or mocked.

12) Any MAN WHO submits HIS LIFE "TO" "CHRIST"....IS A MAN WHO is Willingly submitting "TO" "CHRIST" and "TO" "HIS AUTHORITY" and "HIS POWER"
"TO" completely "MAKE THE MAN WHOLE".

13) A man "MADE WHOLE"...addresses the "FORGIVENESS" and "CONVERSION" of the "WHOLE" of the man.

14) THE "WHOLE" of a man IS;
Body
Soul
Spirit

1 Thes 5:23
...The VERY God of peace sanctify you WHOLLY.
...your WHOLE spirit.
...your WHOLE soul.
...your WHOLE body.

14) HOW? An individual giving "his Life" to
CHRIST.

15) HOW? By the POWER of CHRIST "TO" convert the man WHOLLY.

16) WHY? Because of the MAN having received the GIFT OF FAITH, from God.

17) WHY? Because the man CHOSE, to hear, learn, read, follow, be enlightened, and CONTINUED until the MAN CHOSE to GIVE his LIFE TO CHRIST.

SCRIPTURE IS CLEAR....
Believing IS ONE THING...
CONVERSION IS ANOTHER THING...

You do TWO THINGS ~

You MIX Believing and Conversion.

TRUE...one can not become converted without believing.

However MANY can believe...without having become CONVERTED.

You mix the two. You make claims that men WHO ARE hearing, learning, believing, "ARE" converted.......when they "ARE NOT".

And absolutely ANY MAN, believing, WHO IS NOT CONVERTED "CAN" fall from faith. "CAN" lose his Salvation........BECAUSE HE HAS NEVER "RECEIVED" a Converstion.

You also MIX in things that specifically and historically applied to JEWS/Hebrews ONLY.

Specifically....Continuing to SIN.
Believers in God...(Hebrews & Jews)
...Continued to SIN.
..."THEIR" SINS, were ACCORDING TO DIsobedience "TO" "THEIR" LAWS.

You continuously CHARGE "Gentiles" "IN CHRIST" with having COMMITED SIN...ACCORDING TO JEWISH LAWS...

WHY? WHAT does a Jewish LAW, have to DO with A GENTILE "IN CHRIST" ?


ALSO Specifically .... ENDURING to their END of life.


OF COURSE "Jews/Hebrews" had to "ENDURE" in "cooperation", in "obedience"....
"TO" THEIR LAWS....

THEY HAD NO PERMANENT FORGIVENESS OR OFFERING OF PERMANENT BLOOD.

THEY HAD A DIFFERENT COVENANT...
Repeated offerings of Animal Blood.
Repeated offerings of Animal Body's.
Repeated pleas for Forgiveness.
Repeated festivals and traditions.

THOSE WHO SUBJECT THEMSELVES
"TO" "CHRIST"....ACCEPT "HIS" ONE TIME OFFERING ...."OF"
HIS BODY.
HIS BLOOD.
FOR the "INDIVIDUAL"S" acceptable PAYMENT...

A man WHO, "willingly", BY HIS CHOICE...
Eats of Christ's BODY...
Drinks of Christ's BLOOD...

"IS" specifically ACCEPTING "CHRIST" GIFT OF CONVERSION...
"IS" specifically accepting "CHRISTS" BLOOD to FORGIVE and WASH the mans SINS out of the mans LIFE (and a mans life IS HIS TAINTED BLOOD).

A man WHO, "willingly", BY HIS CHOICE...
EATS of Christ's BODY "IS" specifically ACCEPTING TO EAT the WORD of God...
And the Lord WRITES HIS WORD in the Hearts of men, WHO have ASKED and agreed to EAT HIS WORD.

A man making a gesture of gathering together TO accept communion IS Specifically MEN IN "CHRIST" "remembering" WHAT Christ's BLOOD and BODY offering, GAVE TO THEM "FOREVER"!

FORCED? No. A mans WILLING CHOICE.
A MAN FORCED TO KEEP? NO...

The KEEPING HAS "NOTHING WHATSOEVER" to do with a man. The KEEPING is "part of the conversion"..THE KEEPING "IS" effected SOLELY by the POWER OF GOD...ie CHRIST.

Scripture teaches...TO BE SURE...a conversion IS what you want. Because when YOU ASK FOR IT.......as Scripture teaches...
YOU WILL RECEIVE.

Nothing in Scripture teaches...YOU WILL RECEIVE, and then you can "change your mind" and throw it away.

YOUR MIND DOES NOT PLAY A PART IN the Lord CONVERTING A MAN.
NOT for receiving conversion.
NOT for "discarding" ones conversion.

And the Lord is NOT FOOLED, by a man who may one day CLAIM to BELIEVE, CLAIM he IS Converted...then CLAIM to NOT BELIEVE.

He was NEVER CONVERTED.

And a man WHO SIMPLY Claims to BELIEVE...
Whoo hoo...THAT does NOT MEAN Converted.

ONCE SAVED...DOES NOT MEAN, Belief.

ONCE SAVED...DOES MEAN...Belief AND Converted.

ONCE SAVED...ALWAYS SAVED
MEANS ONCE CONVERTED...
IT IS FOREVER....and the man IS FOREVER KEPT by the POWER OF GOD.

John 10:28 - 29
NO MAN, (not yourself, not another man)...
NO MAN, can pluck a converted man OUT of the hand of God.



NO ONE SCRIPTURE you have presented speaks of a CONVERTED MAN.

The scriptures you have repeatedly presented, speak of men being enlightened, receiving the Word of God, hearing knowledge, learning knowledge, believing, and BEING WARNED to KEEP following and believing.....FOR IF THEY DO NOT....they shall LOSE out.......they shall lose their opportunity for being steeped in FAITH, AND for becoming CONVERTED.

PUT yourself in THEIR shoes. Remember a time of hearing ABOUT the Lord Jesus....ON A FEW OCCASIONS...."YOU" were no more PREPARED TO COMMIT to a CONVERSION then they were. They were LEARNING ABOUT the Lord. They were being TAUGHT, HOW IMPORTANT "CONTINUING " Hearing HIS WORD IS....BECAUSE IT LEADS TO strengthening of Faith, and Belief, and THEREAFTER CONVERSION.....

"FOR" those "WHO DO CONTINUE"

Take Judas for example...he followed, he believed, he was one on one with Jesus.
And as soon as he wanted to DO SOMTHING, that Jesus DID NOT AGREE WITH...
Judas' whole demeanor CHANGED...
He stopped believing, following, and went the extra mile TO DECEIVE his fellow believers, and BETRAY Jesus.
HE FELL FROM FAITH.
He FELL FROM Grace.

HOW is that possible when he had believed?
Because he WAS NOT YET CONVERTED.
He didn't KEEP following long enough to become steeped in Faith, and BECOME forgiven and CONVERTED.

You are attempting to make MAN...not YET Converted.......as IF THEY WERE....when they WERE NOT. And absolutely a man NOT converted CAN FALL FROM FAITH...CAN FALL from Grace.

ONCE SAVED......IS A Converted man.
Converted BECAUSE the man submitted HIS LIFE, "TO" Christ, and Accepted Christ's Forgiveness, Christ's Blood, Christ's Body, Christ's crucifixion, Christ's Seed, Christ's Indwelling POWER to KEEP the man FOREVER in Faith to ONLY, thee Lord God Almighty.

Are you at ALL capable of giving concise answers?? Your responses are the same verbose diatribes – one after another.

I’ll briefly sum up my position again in the hopes that YOU will respond in kind . . .

We are given the gift of faith. We come to believe and we are Baptized. And are saved. This requires our cooperation.

HOWEVER, because we are human, we stumble from time to time in sin. We now have a choice to repent of those sins or to continue to offend God and further distance ourselves from Him. This ALSO requires our cooperation.

We strive to remain faithful to the end and we are rewarded with everlasting life in Heaven with God. This “striving” to remain faithful again requires our cooperation.

Bottom line: When we stop cooperating with God’s grace (i.e., we are disobedient), we are rejecting God. ALL of the verses I presented speak to this fact as they are ALL in reference to converted, born again people.