How to know if we've passed the test

[mjrhealth]

lol u crack me up again mj im on h learning drug, but wouldnt that take free will away from mankind. The things we do in the body are not a reflection of crowns and rewards, 2 Cor 5 especially? God bles

2 Cor 5:10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.

Rev 20:13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done.

Only those who dont believ, many have already being Judged and found innocent because they believe, bust most simply dont believe in what Jesus has accomplished so they run around trying to prove themselves worthy, yes they are really trying if you know what I mean. teh greatest smack in teh face to God and Jesus is unbelief and it is rampant in christianity.

 

[Truth7t7]

Lots of smoke.

(Rev. 20:13) is the Great White Throne Judgement. It is not for believers.

Stanger

I disagree, Revelation 20:11-15 is the final judgment of all, the book of life will be opened once for judgment.
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2 Timothy 4:1
I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

2 Timothy 4:8
Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.
Revelation 20:11-15KJV
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

[Stranger]

I disagree, Revelation 20:11-15 is the final judgment of all, the book of life will be opened once for judgment.
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2 Timothy 4:1
I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

2 Timothy 4:8
Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.
Revelation 20:11-15KJV
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Then you will be judged by works without grace. And you will be found wanting. For you will not measure up.

Stranger

 

[Windmillcharge]

That's another question. How do you know what you're going through is a test from God. When the subject is spiritual it's more confusing isn't it.

No it is a basic question that you did not make clear in your post.

 

[bbyrd009]

Then you will be judged by works without grace. And you will be found wanting. For you will not measure up.

Stranger

heard of this before; remember it actually. Seems like you run into trouble at "all will be judged for their works," everyone appears before the judgement seat to be judged for their works, whether evil or good" etc to me though

 

[Truth7t7]

Then you will be judged by works without grace. And you will be found wanting. For you will not measure up.

Stranger

The judgment seen in Revelation 20:11-15 has the book of life open, all mans works will be judged, the righteous to receive rewards, the unrighteous to eternal damnation.

 

[Stranger]

The judgment seen in Revelation 20:11-15 has the book of life open, all mans works will be judged, the righteous to receive rewards, the unrighteous to eternal damnation.

Yes, I realize that. But this is a judgement of works, not of reward. These are the product of the 2nd resurrection which are all those who have rejected God. See (Rev.20:4-6). The believers judgement comes under the 1st resurrection. (20:6)

(Rev. 20:11-13) is known as the Great White Throne judgement. You do not want to be there for that. The dye is cast. It is a judgment whereby God is showing each one that He is just in what He is doing. And they will know.

Stranger

 

[Deborah_]

If we're not receiving trials and tests isn't that a good thing. Doesn't that mean we're in God's will. Isn't life suppose to be joyful and good?

We're also in God's will when we're going through trials - as Hebrews 12:8 states, if we don't have any trials at all, then we should be worried! Christians can rejoice during times of trouble (although it can be hard) as well as good times. Of course I prefer life to be easy; but I know that it won't always be.

How do we stop loving and following Jesus if we are sealed until redemption.

If you believe that we can't ever lose our salvation then you should also believe that we can't possibly fail to receive our crowns.

 

[Truth7t7]

Yes, I realize that. But this is a judgement of works, not of reward. These are the product of the 2nd resurrection which are all those who have rejected God. See (Rev.20:4-6). The believers judgement comes under the 1st resurrection. (20:6)

(Rev. 20:11-13) is known as the Great White Throne judgement. You do not want to be there for that. The dye is cast. It is a judgment whereby God is showing each one that He is just in what He is doing. And they will know.

Stranger

There is only one future resurrection of all, this will take place on the last day.

John 6:40KJV
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

 

[Heb 13:8]

(Rev. 20:13) is the Great White Throne Judgement. It is not for believers

Then how are the believers that are born and have died in the 1000 years, how are they raised from the dead and judged?

We're also in God's will when we're going through trials - as Hebrews 12:8 states, if we don't have any trials at all, then we should be worried! Christians can rejoice during times of trouble (although it can be hard) as well as good times. Of course I prefer life to be easy; but I know that it won't always be.

If you believe that we can't ever lose our salvation then you should also believe that we can't possibly fail to receive our crowns.

Good answer.

Only those who dont believ, many have already being Judged and found innocent because they believe, bust most simply dont believe in what Jesus has accomplished so they run around trying to prove themselves worthy, yes they are really trying if you know what I mean. teh greatest smack in teh face to God and Jesus is unbelief and it is rampant in christianity.

Right, there's nothing we can do to earn crowns and rewards, similar to how we can't earn salvation.

 

[Stranger]

Then how are the believers that are born and have died in the 1000 years, how are they raised from the dead and judged?

We are not given the information, that I am aware of, of the believing saints who died, or those who didn't die during the millennial reign, of their resurrection or translation. Those who didn't die would have to have their bodies changed from mortal to immortal also.

That they are believing means they have part in the first resurrection, which is the resurrection of life. The second resurrection is the resurrection of death.

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

There is only one future resurrection of all, this will take place on the last day.

John 6:40KJV
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

The resurrection of life is the type of resurrection for the believers, or the first resurrection. Just as the resurrection of the dead is a type of resurrection for the unbelievers, or the second resurrection.

There are several different times when some believing are resurrected. (Matt. 27:52-53) (1 Cor. 4:16-17) (Rev. 20:4-6) All are part of the first resurrection.

Stranger

 

[Truth7t7]

The resurrection of life is the type of resurrection for the believers, or the first resurrection. Just as the resurrection of the dead is a type of resurrection for the unbelievers, or the second resurrection.

There are several different times when some believing are resurrected. (Matt. 27:52-53) (1 Cor. 4:16-17) (Rev. 20:4-6) All are part of the first resurrection.

Stranger

I strongly disagree, there is "One" future resurrection and final judgment of all, that will take place at the return of Jesus Christ, in fire and judgment.

"THE LAST DAY"

John 6:40KJV
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

 

[Heb 13:8]

We are not given the information, that I am aware of, of the believing saints who died, or those who didn't die during the millennial reign, of their resurrection or translation.

That they are believing means they have part in the first resurrection, which is the resurrection of life. The second resurrection is the resurrection of death.

John is using language to describe two groups of people and two destinations...

1. Books were opened (plural)
2. The book of life was opened (for believers only)
3. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. (books plural)
4. Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life (meaning that some were found in the book of life)

Rev 20:11-15 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

The GWT is referring to believers and nonbelievers who were born and who have died in the 1000 yr millennium. Ask yourself why the book of life was opened if God already knew they were all nonbelievers.

Those who didn't die would have to have their bodies changed from mortal to immortal also.

I believe being changed from mortal to immortal is for us at first resurrection and rapture. The believers that are born in the 1000 yr reign will eventually die and have to wait for their resurrected bodies at the GWT.

God bless

 

[bbyrd009]

as long as those are "beliefs" (not AT in your perspective iow) you'll be fine i guess

At the end of the "test" ...and right now it is not the End.

"I have given them the glory you gave me, so they may be one as we are one"

 

[bbyrd009]

Students know when they've passed when the teacher gives them their grade, but how do we know when the test is spiritual. Does anyone have any scripture or websites explaining the how? Thank you. - Heb

yes Heb, but they would not serve you right now, and i mean this wadr.
maybe if you keep teaching you will learn, i think i read that somewhere right
and don't let...anyone kid you, it's pass/fail ok.
"do this and that happens; but do that and this will happen" etc

 

[bbyrd009]

do you
Understand I AM

 

[bbyrd009]

Only those who dont believ, many have already being Judged and found innocent because they believe

leave it to mjr to directly contradict Scripture i guess

 

[bbyrd009]

Good answer.

i think she was being facetious there Heb; at least i hope so

Right, there's nothing we can do to earn crowns and rewards, similar to how we can't earn salvation.

Heb 12:1 Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles. ... And let us blow off with perseverance the race marked out for us
hmm
in "Heb" too lol, priceless

 

[charity]

That's another question. How do you know what you're going through is a test from God. When the subject is spiritual it's more confusing isn't it.

* Just trust Him, for we are His workmanship. We don't uproot a plant to see it it's growing, for the growth above ground should indicate if growth is taking place. He will try our faith in order to strengthen it and establish it, encourage patience and perseverance under trial, so that we may be able to endure when the road ahead become rocky. Don't look within, look up and praise God in all things.

In Christ Jesus
Chris