Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it holy

[Helen]

I would have to disagree with this statement simply because:
Matthew 22:36-40 36"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: "'Love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

Amen. Yay!!
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[gadar perets]

Jesus was born under the Law...and He kept them all a He never sinned. Only He COULD keep the Law. A new Covenant was ushered in at His death. We (Christians) are under GRACE-praise God! If you break one law then you break them all.

So what are you suggesting? That we don't keep any commandments at all? If not, then how do we decide which commandments to keep?

BTW-gentiles were NEVER invited to the Jewish Laws (613 of them).

Are Gentile converts expected to keep the Ten Commandments?

Jesus example- and all the law hang on 2 NEW commandments- Matt. 22:36-40 "Love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments"

What does that mean to you? To me it means if you truly love your neighbor, you will not commit adultery with his wife or steal from him ... It means if you truly love YHWH, you will not commit idolatry or worship graven images or take His name in vain or pollute His holy Sabbath Day ...

 

[gadar perets]

I love your simplicity

Simplicity, in this case, is a superficial understanding of what was written without understanding Paul's deeper intent. That has led to a multitude of false doctrines which is why Peter was led to write 2 Peter 3:15-16.

 

[gadar perets]

I would have to disagree with this statement simply because:
Matthew 22:36-40 36"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: "'Love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

I believe he was referring to the Ten Commandments, not ALL the commandments. You do realize that those two commandments are not part of the Ten, don't you?

 

[Helen]

Simplicity, in this case, is a superficial understanding of what was written without understanding Paul's deeper intent. That has led to a multitude of false doctrines which is why Peter was led to write 2 Peter 3:15-16.

Says you!

And we are supposed to bow to your wisdom?
Sorry...but buying what you are selling.

 

[Helen]

I believe he was referring to the Ten Commandments, not ALL the commandments. You do realize that those two commandments are not part of the Ten, don't you?

The ten are "within" the two.

Because, if we truly LOVE, all the ten will BE fulfilled ..because we keep His will because we love...not to earn His approval. We alerady have that "in Christ".

Not that you can see this. Far deeper than a "superficial understanding "..it is Spiritual understanding.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

You need to move a bit slower in your accusations, if I'm posting on what I believe to be the true sabbath, you think im going to follow the day of pagan sun worship?

I believe and teach the 7th day sabbath Friday Sundown, Saturday Sundown.

I don't follow a religious body that teaches this. I believe and follow this in grace, such as Jesus was in the field eating corn and healing on the sabbath.

I don't follow the legalistic interpretation.

Many cults have been built around this, 7th day Adventism Ellen G. White being one.

Congratulations for so far. It's not Amen yet because you still have to get to the bottom of all this.

But I have my doubts you ever will.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

If, by "legalistic interpretation", you mean the way the Jews interpreted Sabbath keeping in Yeshua's day, then I agree. Can you give me an example of a SDA "legalistic interpretation"? (I am not SDA). There are situations where grace and mercy override the Sabbath, but for the most part secular work is not permitted on the 7th day.

A miss is as good - or rather bad - as a miss by a million miles. The bullet travels all round the world and hits you down flat.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

7t7 said:
I believe and teach the 7th day sabbath Friday Sundown, Saturday Sundown.

Great!

You should have replied,
Why!

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

BTW, these two examples would not be transgressions in YHWH's eyes under the Old Covenant. Neither picking and eating grain or healing were forbidden on Sabbath. Those were just interpretations of the Jews. In other words, these were not unique outpourings of grace, but corrections of erroneous thinking.

What is '~unique outpouring of grace~' ULTIMATELY AND ONCE FOREVER! Jesus Christ "come in the flesh" having been conceived by the Holy Spirit "in the flesh" and ULTIMATELY "come in the flesh", "from the dead" "with The Spirit In Power".

Interpretations of the Jews or interpretations of Saturdaist Namemists, interpretations aren't unique in any way.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Was it not the Roman Catholics who changed the Sabbath to Sunday?

No one ever did. No one ever could change the Sabbath-OF-THE-LORD GOD.

So the inventor had to be more clever. And it or he, was more clever; vastly more clever -- he became most famous INVENTOR! In fact the founder of Sunday found that to avail and prevail, one HAS TO BECOME A CLERIC POLITICIAN.
And one has to strike where it inflicts PERMANENT and INDELIBLE damage or advantage (depending on one's point of view).
So to change the Christian Day-of-worship-rest, one has to reach above God and CHANGE LAW AND TIMES of God through the STATE, the ruler of the world who sits on God's throne as were he God and above God. That cunning brilliant super quick sly ambassador on behalf of the Christian people, their shepherd wolf in sheepskin, came up with the idea that would change history and the world forever. Justin Martyr discovered the art of CHANGING THE WORD OF GOD TO CHANGE THE TIMES OF GOD FOR THE RESURRECTION OF HIS ANOINTED from "on the Sabbath before the First Day" to "after the day of Saturn on the day of the lord sun".

 

[Truth7t7]

Congratulations for so far. It's not Amen yet because you still have to get to the bottom of all this.

But I have my doubts you ever will.

By all means please educate me in the truth of scripture, im your student?

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

The fourth commandment is the longest and most important commandment of all because it is God's seal of authority.

As Dead Bread would have said, That is drivel. SDA drivel. In fact anti-Christ drivel!

 

[Truth7t7]

7t7 said:
I believe and teach the 7th day sabbath Friday Sundown, Saturday Sundown.



You should have replied,
Why!

Gerhard the church was established on the Sabbath, the law of "commandments" are alive for today.

Im fully aware of the New Moons and Sabbath Days being eternal, yes the feast of Tabernacles is eternal.

I didn't study this from a human source, book, internet, etc.

It's right in my King James Bible.

Colossians 2:16-17 below was written for those that follow the Sabbath, New Moons, And Holy Days, Feast days. Those that don't follow the sabbaths and new moons believe it is their protection from judgment, false

Colossians 2:16-17KJV
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

The Sabbath, New Moons, And Feast Days Are Eternal.

Isaiah 66:23KJV
And it shall come to pass, that from one newmoon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.

Are you 7th Day Adventist, Ellen G. White?
7th day church of God?
.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

"ByGrace" said: ↑
As Jesus is our Sabbath Rest...it does not matter a hill of beans.

I love your simplicity

It's not simplicity; it is sottishness. Imagine your Jesus being your Sabbath!

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

I believe he was referring to the Ten Commandments, not ALL the commandments. You do realize that those two commandments are not part of the Ten, don't you?

Yes, I am not surprised that you, will disagree with Matthew 22:36-40 36"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: "'Love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

According to Jesus, however, He meant and included "ALL the commandments". Who do you think you are?

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Because, if we truly LOVE, all the ten will BE fulfilled ..because we keep His will because we love...not to earn His approval. We alerady have that "in Christ".
Not that you can see this. Far deeper than a "superficial understanding "..it is Spiritual understanding.

Differs in no respect, in no word, in no tenor or intent with hackneyed Sabbath apologetics, and is JUST AS '~superficial understanding~'.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

By all means please educate me in the truth of scripture, im your student?

Or must I be yours? Forget what I wrote; I said I doubt if you ever will come to see the facts of Scripture.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Gerhard the church was established on the Sabbath, the law of "commandments" are alive for today.

Im fully aware of the New Moons ans Sabbath Days being eternal, yes the feast of Tabernacles is eternal.

I didn't study this from a human source, book, internet, etc.

It's right in my King James Bible.

Colossians 2:16-17 below was written for those that follow the Sabbath, New Moons, And Holy Days, Feast days.

Those that don't follow this believe it is their protection from judgment, false

Colossians 2:16-17KJV
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Are you 7th Day Adventist, Ellen G. White?

7th day church of God?

I don't belong to a 7th day church of any sort.

The church was not established on the Sabbath but on Jesus Christ and on Him, Resurrected from the dead : The Law of God's Word of "commandments" '~alive for today~' for his Church, which '~the New Moons and Sabbath Days~' having been temporal and now forever past, had found their fulfilment and permanent extinction in Him.

I studied this from God's Word and from all human source-books I could find, long before internet.

So by my kool: It's right in my King James Bible in fact, I found!

Colossians 2:16-17 was never in your life or whoever else's life '~written for those that follow the Sabbath, New Moons, And Holy Days, Feast days~'.

Colossians 2:16-17 Paul
"Don't you let yourselves be judged by anyone in regard to your eating and drinking of Christ the Substance of Sabbaths' Feast either Lord's Supper of month's or Sabbaths' Feast, which are but the shadow of what imminently must come for you holding to the Head, the Body growing with the growth of God, Christ being the Nourishment ministered."

I am not '~7th Day Adventist, Ellen G. White~' Do I sound like I am?

I am not '~7th day church of God~'

I am 'Sabbaths' Feast of Christ HOME Assemblies Reformed Protestant Faith'.

Confession of Faith, Article,
I believe
To joy in the Fellowship of Christians persuaded by God of the sanctity of the Seventh Day Sabbath of the LORD your God for to be the Lord Jesus’ Day of Worship-Rest.

The urgency of Sabbaths’ celebration for the Christian Faith and Church, springs from the knowledge of the energy of God’s operation in the Resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead. Ephesians 1:17-23.

The Sabbath, its engagement and enjoyment, are grounded in Divine Election and Predestination and realised in the “Gospel of God concerning His Son Jesus Christ our Lord”, whom God the Father “Declared the Son of God with Power according to the Spirit In Power His Holiness by Resurrection from the dead:— by Whom we have received Grace for the obedience of the Faith for His Name among all nations, among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ, to the end ye may be established and comforted by the mutual faith in the Gospel of His Son.” Romans 1:1...12.

Therefore we remember and celebrate “The Lord’s Day”, Sabbaths’ Eating and Drinking of the Lord’s Feast, holding to the Head Nourishment being ministered, growing with the growth of God, proclaiming Jesus Christ Raised from the dead. (Colossians 2:12-19)

“Where two or three are gathered together

in My Name, there I am in the midst of them.”

 

[gadar perets]

Says you!

And we are supposed to bow to your wisdom?
Sorry...but buying what you are selling.

Of course you are not buying it. You are among those who like to read whatever you want into Scripture. Romans 14:5 says nothing about the Sabbath. It is because you hate YHWH's laws that you read the Sabbath into that verse to justify your sin of Sabbath desecration.