Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it holy

[gadar perets]

GE, if you were looking to elicit a response from me by making a PRIVATE message to YOU public, then my only response is "SHAME ON YOU".

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

GE, if you were looking to elicit a response from me by making a PRIVATE message to YOU public, then my only response is "SHAME ON YOU".

Protocol is for the deep state and secret church politics, not for searching the Scriptures and Confession of Faith.

 

[Truth7t7]

Isn't it interesting how Jesus says he is Lord of the Sabbath? Do you think that statement might be connected to the fact that he was the creator? I wonder if in giving his commandments at Sinai He might have had a blonde moment and didn't really mean the fourth commandment? at least not for later rotations of the earth around the sun?

And isn't it interesting that the description 'Lords Day' even though we all know which day Jesus was referring to when he said he was Lord of the Sabbath has been hijacked and transferred to the first day of the week. Yes, Jesus was resurrected on the first day of the week but is this a justified reason for calling it the Lords Day? Could we not also call the sixth day of the week the Lords Day with the justification that he died for our sins on that day? And what makes us think that the disciples gathering on the Lords Day didn't mean the seventh day?

It is men who have played and twisted Gods words. It is men who place emphasis where emphasis is not intended. It is men who attempt to make God appear fickle by changing his mind even though he says I do not change unless of course we think he is subject to blonde moments.
It is men who have substituted the commandment of men for the commandments of God using Gods own words to justify their rebellion because that is what sin is, the transgression of the Law.

Smoothly packaged violation of context is what Jesus warns us to be a look out for. 'don't be deceived, I have told you in advance'.

Acts 13:42-44KJV
42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.
43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.
44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

Im not any way 7th day associated, however the 4th commandment lives, and was a part of the early church who met at the temple to be taught on the Sabbath, seen as continuing in God's grace.

I see the church as a whole moved to Sunday on Constatines edict dies solis Mar 321AD

Wikipedia: Sol Invictus
Constantine decreed (March 7, 321) dies Solis—day of the Sun, "Sunday"—as the Roman day of rest (Codex Justinianus 3.12.2):

"On the venerable day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country however persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits because it often happens that another day is not suitable for grain-sowing or vine planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost".[33]

Constantine's triumphal arch was carefully positioned to align with the colossal statue of Sol by the Colosseum, so that Sol formed the dominant backdrop when seen from the direction of the main approach towards the arch.[34]

 

[gadar perets]

Im not any way 7th day associated, however the 4th commandment lives, and was a part of the early church who met at the temple to be taught on the Sabbath.

I see the church as a whole moved to Sunday on Constatines edict dies solis Mar 321AD

Are you saying you follow the church in obeying man rather than YHWH? If you believe Constantine moved the Sabbath to Sunday and that the real 7th day Sabbath commandment remains alive today, then why aren't you "associated" with it?

 

[Truth7t7]

Are you saying you follow the church in obeying man rather than YHWH? If you believe Constantine moved the Sabbath to Sunday and that the real 7th day Sabbath commandment remains alive today, then why aren't you "associated" with it?

You need to move a bit slower in your accusations, if I'm posting on what I believe to be the true sabbath, you think im going to follow the day of pagan sun worship?

I believe and teach the 7th day sabbath Friday Sundown, Saturday Sundown.

I don't follow a religious body that teaches this. I believe and follow this in grace, such as Jesus was in the field eating corn and healing on the sabbath.

I don't follow the legalistic interpretation.

Many cults have been built around this, 7th day Adventism Ellen G. White being one.

 

[gadar perets]

You need to move a bit slower in your accusations, if I'm posting on what I believe to be the true sabbath, you think im going to follow the day of pagan sun worship?

I didn't accuse you of anything. I asked you questions to see what you believe.

I believe and teach the 7th day sabbath Friday Sundown, Saturday Sundown.

Great!

I don't follow a religious body that teaches this. I believe and follow this in grace, such as Jesus was in the field eating corn and healing on the sabbath.

I don't follow the legalistic interpretation.

Many cults have been built around this, 7th day Adventism Ellen G. White being one.

If, by "legalistic interpretation", you mean the way the Jews interpreted Sabbath keeping in Yeshua's day, then I agree. Can you give me an example of a SDA "legalistic interpretation"? (I am not SDA). There are situations where grace and mercy override the Sabbath, but for the most part secular work is not permitted on the 7th day.

 

[gadar perets]

I don't follow a religious body that teaches this. I believe and follow this in grace, such as Jesus was in the field eating corn and healing on the sabbath.

BTW, these two examples would not be transgressions in YHWH's eyes under the Old Covenant. Neither picking and eating grain or healing were forbidden on Sabbath. Those were just interpretations of the Jews. In other words, these were not unique outpourings of grace, but corrections of erroneous thinking.

 

[Truth7t7]

I didn't accuse you of anything. I asked you questions to see what you believe.


Great!


If, by "legalistic interpretation", you mean the way the Jews interpreted Sabbath keeping in Yeshua's day, then I agree. Can you give me an example of a SDA "legalistic interpretation"? (I am not SDA). There are situations where grace and mercy override the Sabbath, but for the most part secular work is not permitted on the 7th day.

I rest on the sabbath, study, college football, food, family.

I do my clothes washing, house cleaning, car fixing, etc on Sunday the Popes day.

I openly proclaim the sabbath as explained and denounce pagan Sunday observation.

I don't follow the Messianic or 7th day movements

 

[gadar perets]

I rest on the sabbath, study, college football, food, family.

I do my clothes washing, house cleaning, car fixing, etc on Sunday the Popes day.

I openly proclaim the sabbath as explained and denounce pagan Sunday observation.

I don't follow the Messianic or 7th day movements

I keep the Sabbath similarly except I don't entertain myself with this world's entertainment. If I watch anything on TV, it will be spiritually based.

 

[Truth7t7]

I keep the Sabbath similarly except I don't entertain myself with this world's entertainment. If I watch anything on TV, it will be spiritually based.

Glad to see your holiness on being untouched by the world.

I like family, football, baseball, fishing, etc, my form of rest and enjoyment.

I don't watch TV in general, don't like the Liberal Programming.

 

[Andre]

Was it not the Roman Catholics who changed the Sabbath to Sunday?
In the Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, we read:
Q. Which is the Sabbath day?
A. Saturday is the Sabbath day.

Q. Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
A. We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea, (AD 336) transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday….

Q. Why did the Catholic Church substitute Sunday for Saturday?
A. The Church substituted Sunday for Saturday, because Christ rose from the dead on a Sunday, and the Holy Ghost descended upon the Apostles on a Sunday.

Q. By what authority did the Church substitute Sunday for Saturday?
A. The Church substituted Sunday for Saturday by the plenitude of that divine power which Jesus Christ bestowed upon her!
—Rev. Peter Geiermann, C.SS.R., (1946), p. 50.
In A Doctrinal Catechism,
Q. Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?
A. Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her. She could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.
–Rev. Stephen Keenan, (1851), p. 174.

 

[Truth7t7]

Was it not the Roman Catholics who changed the Sabbath to Sunday?
In the Convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, we read:
Q. Which is the Sabbath day?
A. Saturday is the Sabbath day.

Q. Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
A. We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea, (AD 336) transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday….

Q. Why did the Catholic Church substitute Sunday for Saturday?
A. The Church substituted Sunday for Saturday, because Christ rose from the dead on a Sunday, and the Holy Ghost descended upon the Apostles on a Sunday.

Q. By what authority did the Church substitute Sunday for Saturday?
A. The Church substituted Sunday for Saturday by the plenitude of that divine power which Jesus Christ bestowed upon her!
—Rev. Peter Geiermann, C.SS.R., (1946), p. 50.
In A Doctrinal Catechism,
Q. Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?
A. Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her. She could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.
–Rev. Stephen Keenan, (1851), p. 174.

Roman Catholicism followed the law of Roman Emperor Constatine, after all it was Constatine who built St. Peters basilica in Vatican city, it was Constatine that established the Popes seat, and used his civil power to carry out punishment of those that opposed his newly formed State Church in Roman Catholicism.

I see many moved to Sunday on Constatines edict dies solis Mar 321AD

Wikipedia: Sol Invictus
Constantine decreed (March 7, 321) dies Solis—day of the Sun, "Sunday"—as the Roman day of rest (Codex Justinianus 3.12.2):

"On the venerable day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country however persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits because it often happens that another day is not suitable for grain-sowing or vine planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost".[33]

Constantine's triumphal arch was carefully positioned to align with the colossal statue of Sol by the Colosseum, so that Sol formed the dominant backdrop when seen from the direction of the main approach towards the arch.[34]

 

[Andre]

This sounds so good.
My main concern is still just the fact that a commandment has been changed.

The Roman Catholics freely admit to changing the Sabbath to Sunday.

 

[Nancy]

commandments[/B]."

 

[Andre]

Glad to see your holiness on being untouched by the world.

I like family, football, baseball, fishing, etc, my form of rest and enjoyment.

I don't watch TV in general, don't like the Liberal Programming.

I believe in God. I believe in His son Jesus Christ and I believe in the Holy Spirit. I believe that the Bible is the inspired Word of God. If God says to me "if you love me, keep my commandments" then that is what I will do. If everyone would just listen to God and take His advice there would be no problems in this world. Ten Commandments! Only ten to make this whole world go around and yet we cannot even do that. Oh, we can keep some of them, maybe even nine, but ten!? No way, that doesn't suit my lifestyle. No way, that was nailed to the cross. Any excuse not to do the Will of God. The fourth commandment is the longest and most important commandment of all because it is God's seal of authority. Every legal document is stamped with a seal reflecting the name of the authority, the title and the jurisdiction of that authority. ie. Elisabeth 11 Queen of England, Donald Trump President USA.
(Exod 20:8 [KJV])
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates: 11 For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
This is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God. The Creator of heaven and earth. There are His credentials. Name, title and jurisdiction. It is a day that is set aside for worship, not for doing what we like to do, but doing what the Lord would like us to do. He tells us to remember this day. In other words devote your thoughts to God. How can you do that if you are busy playing games. There is no such thing as compromise. Either you are in or you are out.
(Rev 3:15 [KJV])
I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
(Matt 6:19 [KJV])
Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: 20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: 21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

 

[Nancy]

Roman 14:5
"One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind."

As Jesus is our Sabbath Rest...it does not matter a hill of beans.

I love your simplicity

 

[Helen]

I love your simplicity

Haha! ...small brain...the older I get, the smaller it gets
( truth be told...in some posts I go on and on and on!!! Eeeeekkkk! )

I haven't seen you much here. Maybe we are just posting on different threads?

Bless you! Helen

 

[Nancy]

Haha! ...small brain...the older I get, the smaller it gets
( truth be told...in some posts I go on and on and on!!! Eeeeekkkk! )

I haven't seen you much here. Maybe we are just posting on different threads?

Bless you! Helen

Lol Helen,
I have been reading allot of posts on different threads, and to be honest, replying to some of them is exhausting as they can be very long and sometimes I think, a bit over my head...I just love the simplicity of the Living Word. The freedom we have in Jesus and the fact that nothing could ever separate us from his love or snatch us out of His hand! I truly am enjoying the different view points!
Bless you right back

 

[Nancy]

The fourth commandment is the longest and most important commandment of all

I would have to disagree with this statement simply because:
Matthew 22:36-40 36"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: "'Love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

 

[Helen]

Lol Helen,
I have been reading allot of posts on different threads, and to be honest, replying to some of them is exhausting as they can be very long and sometimes I think, a bit over my head...I just love the simplicity of the Living Word. The freedom we have in Jesus and the fact that nothing could ever separate us from his love or snatch us out of His hand! I truly am enjoying the different view points!
Bless you right back

Oh I am right with you , concerning long, long , yawn, long posts.
I actually won't read them. I get about a third of the way through, then skim the rest. If people can't keep their posts readable, then I opt out.
I never read loads and loads of scriptures either.
Why they can't just says- " As Paul's says, or As Jesus says.." or just quote the chapter and verse ..
They flood loads of scripture as if we don't all READ or KNOW our bibles!!!
( so be warned when writing to me!!! )

Many blessings ...Helen