Once Saved....always Saved - Results of Questionnaire.

[BreadOfLife]

One is born again by faith. One does not cease to have faith because one 'walks away'. Walking away does not equate with believing. Did Jonah walk away? Did Lot walk away? Did David walk away? Did God let them walk away? Absolutely not.

Stranger

And many CEASE to have faith.

 

[BreadOfLife]

The PAYMENT is the DEPOSIT.
The REDEMPTION is the Lord CLAIMING the man WHO accepted the Payment of His Deposit.
That has already been established.
Yes......DURING YOURLIFE TIME....which is during the TIME your flesh BODY, IS naturally ALIVE. And the LIFE of your natural body IS IT"S blood.
You seem to be unaware that a man WHO CHOOSES to; ACCORDING TO THE TRUTH IN HIS HEART, GIVE HIS LIFE TO THE Lord......
Actually receives the gifts that ARE PREPARED for a man WHO CHOOSES CHRIST!
The Lord does not WAIT TO SEE what a man WILL CHOOSE......like you teach.....
"Oh oh, I believe", "whoo hoo, I'm born again"....."eh" "changed my mind"... "ha ha"
"Fooled God"....na na na na na..."I'm once again....not born again"....
What hogwash!

And YOU keep preaching the false Gospel that God forces His love on us whether we like it or not.
God never forces ANYTHING on us.

 

[Stranger]

And many CEASE to have faith.

Who?

Stranger

 

[BreadOfLife]

Yeah. He kept it real simple.
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. (Acts 16:31).

Yup - he kept it simple - in that ONE verse.
How about these??

- Being baptized (Matt. 28:19-20, John 3:5, Rom. 2:29, Rom. 6:1-11, Col. 2:12-17, 1 Peter 3:21)
- Picking up our cross daily to follow him (Matt. 16:24, Luke 9:23)
- Works of mercy and charity (Matt. 19:21, 25:31–46, Luke 18:22)
- Obeying his commandments (John 14:15, 15:10)
- Doing the will of the Father (Matt. 7:21, James 1:22)
- We must suffer with Christ (Matt. 10:38, 16:24, Mark 8:34, John 12:24, Rom. 8:17, 2 Cor. 1:5-7, Eph. 3:13, Phil. 1:29, 2 Tim. 1:8, 1 Peter 2:19-21, 4:1-2)

 

[BreadOfLife]

Who?

Stranger

Who personally??
That's not for me OR you to say.

However, the Bible warns us of their fate . . .

Romans 11:22
“See, then, the kindness and severity of God: severity toward those who fell, but God's kindness to you, provided you REMAIN in his kindness; otherwise you to will be cut off.”
Paul is warning the faithful to REMAIN in God’s favor or they will lose their salvation. How can they lose what they never had?

Hebrews 10:26-27
“If we sin deliberately AFTER receiving KNOWLEDGE of the truth, there no longer remains sacrifice for sins but a fearful prospect of judgment and a flaming fire that is going to consume the adversaries.”
This is a clear warning that falling away from God will result in the loss of our salvation. The Greek ford for “knowledge” used here is NOT the usual word (oida). This is talking about a full, experiential knowledge (epignosei). This verse is about CHRISTIANS who had an EPIGNOSIS of Christ and who can fall back into darkness and LOSE their salvation by their own doing.

2 Peter 2:20-22
For if they, having escaped the defilements of the world through the KNOWLEDGE of our Lord and savior Jesus Christ, again become entangled and overcome by them, their last condition is worse than their first.
For it would have been better for them not to have KNOWN the way of righteousness than after knowing it to turn back from the holy commandment handed down to them.
Here, Peter illustrates that those who had a full, experiential knowledge (epignosei) of Christ – CHRISTIANS – who can fall back into darkness and LOSE their salvation by their own doing.

Matt. 5:13
You are the salt of the earth. But if salt loses its taste, with what can it be seasoned? It is no longer good for anything but to be thrown out and trampled underfoot.
This one is self-explanatory - even to a blind person . . .

1 Cor. 9:27
"I pummel my body and subdue it, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified."
Paul is saying that he wrestles with his own fleshly desires so that he might not fall back into sin.

2 Peter 3:17
Therefore, dear friends, since you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of lawless men and fall from your secure position.
Peter is warning the faithful not to fall back into sin and lawlessness.

1 John 2:24
See that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. IF it does, you also will REMAIN in the Son and in the Father.
This is an admonition to try to remain faithful.

Rev. 3:5
He who overcomes will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out his name from the book of life, but will acknowledge his name before my Father and his angels.
God cannot blot out a name that was never there in the first place. He is talking about CHRISTIANS who are already saved and how they can LOSE their salvation.

Rev. 22:19
And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.
How can God take away somebody’s share of heaven if they never had it to begin with? This is about CHRISTIANS who may or may NOT make it into Heaven.

 

[Enoch111]

Yup - he kept it simple - in that ONE verse.
How about these??

All those verses apply AFTER someone is saved, beginning with baptism and then obeying the commandments of Christ.

 

[Taken]

What about:
1 Corinthians 6:11 ►
Verse (Click for Chapter)
New International Version
And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

Read verse 10...THAT is what SOME people "were".......THEN they WERE, washed, sanctified, justifed....THEREFORE they ARE thus, washed, sanctified, justified.

IOW,
if you Were washed, you Are washed.
If you Were sanctified, you Are sanctified.
If youWere justified, you Are justified.


God Bless,
Taken

 

[Stranger]

Who personally??
That's not for me OR you to say.

However, the Bible warns us of their fate . . .

If it is not for you to say then why are your trying to say it. You are such a Roman Robot. When all else fails, you have your ready internet collected list of Scriptures.

I have seen your list many times and have answered them all. To your dissatisfaction.

So, again I ask, concerning 'who' cease to have faith as you claim. Who?

Stranger

 

[LC627]

Yup - He ALSO knew what everybody else wold chose.
This includes those who chose Him - then LEFT Him.

Just curious BreadOfLife, as a Catholic, how does your view of purgatory come in to play with salvation? (CCC 1031) Is the Blood of Jesus not good enough to clean sin fully once for all? What work can any man do that is equal to or greater than the blood of God's own Son who died for you?

 

[Taken]

Uh huh.

The Bible ALSO says that I WILL BE saved - IF I stand firm and IF I do the Lord's will (Matt. 24:13)

Try explaining Matt 24:13....
....the Jew Matthew, teaching Jews...

Why does a man IN Christ have to "ENDURE" to the end?

What is he "enduring"?
What is the "end"?

 

[Taken]

And YOU keep preaching the false Gospel that God forces His love on us whether we like it or not.
God never forces ANYTHING on us.

Uh .... QUOTE ME saying what you said FOR ME......oh right, you can't....because YOU are speaking FOR ME.....AGAIN!

 

[Taken]

And many CEASE to have faith.

THEN THEY WERE NOT BORN AGAIN!!!!!!!!

 

[Taken]

ONCE....forgiven, for your disbelief
ONCE...washed, sanctified, justified, by God
ONCE....saved, unto the Lord
ONCE....born again, with Gods Seed
ONCE....indwelt with the Holy Spirit

THESE are ACTS of God, He performs ONCE and FOREVER.

ONCE performed...NO MAN can separate you ever again FROM the Lord God Almighty.

Teaching otherwise is attempting to turn the TRUTH INTO A LIE.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[BreadOfLife]

All those verses apply AFTER someone is saved, beginning with baptism and then obeying the commandments of Christ.

They ALL point to the fact that your salvation is conditional on your cooperation with God's will.

Scenario A
We are saved.
We cooperate with God's will and remain faithful to the end.
We spend eternity with God.

Scenario B
We are saved.
We become complacent and eventually fall away by refusing to be obedient to God's will.
We LOSE our salvation.

 

[BreadOfLife]

THEN THEY WERE NOT BORN AGAIN!!!!!!!!

NOT according to the Bible.
Epignosis means that they were born again.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Try explaining Matt 24:13....
....the Jew Matthew, teaching Jews...

Why does a man IN Christ have to "ENDURE" to the end?

What is he "enduring"?
What is the "end"?

The "end" is our physical death. You don't understand this??
We must endure to our death.

It is NO different for Jews than it is for Christians - or ANYBODY else.
God doesn't "change" the rules depending on your race.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Just curious BreadOfLife, as a Catholic, how does your view of purgatory come in to play with salvation? (CCC 1031) Is the Blood of Jesus not good enough to clean sin fully once for all? What work can any man do that is equal to or greater than the blood of God's own Son who died for you?

It appears that you don't understand what Purgatory is because it does not require "works".
Purgatory is the final purification of the elect.

Since Revelation 21:27 tells us that nothing unclean can enter heaven, a final purification or purgation is necessary for some before entering heaven. Those in Purgatory will indeed make it into heaven. As the great Protestant author, C.S. Lewis once stated, “The mercy of God demands purgatory.”

Regardless of what some may say, the belief in Purgatory is scripturally-based. In 2 Macc. 42-46, we see that Judas Maccabeus prays for the men of his army, killed in battle. Verse 44 says, “… for if he were not expecting the fallen to rise again, it would have been useless and foolish to pray for them in death.”

Matt. 5:25-26 tells us that unless we have settled our matters, we will be “handed over to the prison guard and will not be released until we have paid the last penny.”

We are told in 1 Cor. 3:12-15 that the day (judgment) will disclose the foundation that a person builds upon and how it will be revealed: “If the work stands that someone built upon the foundation, that person will receive a wage. But if someone's work is burned up, that one will suffer loss; the person will be saved, but only as through fire.”

Additionally, Matt. 12:32 states, “whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come”, which indicates that there is purification after death for some. Matt. 18:32-35 and Luke 12:58-59 are additional verses that support this doctrine.

All of these verses point to the fact that those in Purgatory will suffer loss but will eventually be released (purified, purged from iniquity, saved). Purgatory is for the believer who dies in God’s favor (without the stain of mortal sin) but is in need of final purification before entering heaven.

The purification of Purgatory is not something ADDED to what Christ did on the cross. It is BECAUSE of what He did on the cross.

 

[BreadOfLife]

If it is not for you to say then why are your trying to say it. You are such a Roman Robot. When all else fails, you have your ready internet collected list of Scriptures.
I have seen your list many times and have answered them all. To your dissatisfaction.
So, again I ask, concerning 'who' cease to have faith as you claim. Who?
Stranger

No - you TRIED to get me to say who - but it is NOT for either one of us to say.
The Bible is not specific about WHO is going to lose their salvation. It just warns that it CAN be lost.

And, by the way - you haven't "answered" anything.
You have AVOIDED answering the verses I presented . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Read verse 10...THAT is what SOME people "were".......THEN they WERE, washed, sanctified, justifed....THEREFORE they ARE thus, washed, sanctified, justified.
IOW,
if you Were washed, you Are washed.
If you Were sanctified, you Are sanctified.
If youWere justified, you Are justified.

God Bless,
Taken

And it's ALL a process - just like the fact that . . .
- We ARE Saved (Rom. 5:1, 8:24, Eph. 2:5–8)
- We are BEING Saved (1 Cor. 1:8, 2 Cor. 2:15, 7:1, Phil. 2:12, Heb 12:14).
- We WILL BE Saved (Matt. 24:13, Rom. 5:9–10, 1 Cor. 3:12–15).

 

[Stranger]

No - you TRIED to get me to say who - but it is NOT for either one of us to say.
The Bible is not specific about WHO is going to lose their salvation. It just warns that it CAN be lost.

And, by the way - you haven't "answered" anything.
You have AVOIDED answering the verses I presented . . .

You are such a coward. You claim many cease to have faith yet you don't know who. If you don't know who, then quit trying to present yourself as though you do know.

I have answered your robotic lists to the point of nausea. So don't say I have avoided them.

The reason the Bible is not specific about who will lose their salvation is because none will lose their salvation.

But then their are those who pretend they are saved but are not.

Stranger