Jesus' Crucifixion and Death, and Burial, were on consecutive days

[GerhardEbersoehn]

1st night Passover, Nisan 14th, sunset to dawn, Wednesday night,
A) Starting:
Its night: "EVENING" Jesus SUFFERED
Mark 14:12,17 Matthew 26:17,20 Luke 22:7,9 John 13:1,30; 1Corinthians 11:23
= Leviticus 23:5 "late" Exodus 12:15B "REMOVED LEAVEN" symbolically (Jesus suffered);
= Exodus 12:6Leviticus 23:5 = "REAPED the first sheaf" Leviticus 23:9,10;

Thursday, Nisan 14th, “Preparation Day OF THE PASSOVER”, Jesus crucified.
B) Ending: Jesus DIED
3 PM "the ninth hour" "MID-AFTERNOON" ‘Thursday’
"Everybody who came to That Sight fled and went home" Luke 23:48 John 16:32
NO ‘~rush to bury His body~’.
………………..

1st day ULB, Nisan 15th, sunset to dawn "great was That Day of sabbath" of passover, Friday.
BURIAL DAY "the whole-day BONE-DAY",

A) Starting: ‘Thursday’ night,
Its night: "EVENING" Body PREPARED

Mark 15:42-46a Matthew 27:57-59John 19:31,38-40 Luke 23:50-53a;
Exodus 12:8Leviticus 23:6 the passover its flesh EATEN = "stored" Leviticus 23:11A

B) Ending: Body ENTOMBED
Luke 23:54-56a "That Day The Preparation MID-AFTERNOON" ‘Friday’
John 19:42 “due to the Jews’ preparations having begun”
………………..

2nd night ULB, Sabbath, Nisan 16th, sunset to dawn.
RESURRECTION DAY:
A) Starting: 'Friday' night
Luke 23:56b "Began to rest the Sabbath"

B) Ending:
"Morning after The Preparation": Matthew 27:62-66
"Mid-afternoon": Matthew 28:1-4 RESURRECTION
………………..

3rd night ULB, Nisan 17th, “First Day of the week”, sunset to dawn, Sunday.
A) Starting:
"AFTER the Sabbath": Mark 16:1
“Dusk on the First Day”: John 20:1
"After-Midnight" Luke 24:1,2
"Very early before sunrise" Mark 16:2-8
3rd day ULB, Sunday, Nisan 17th, “First Day of the week”, sunrise John 20:11-17
“Mary saw Jesus standing and knew not that it was Jesus..she supposed Him to be the gardener.” John 20:14,15.
“Early on the First Day of the week He, risen, first appeared to Mary Magdalene.” Mark 16:9.

Once again, men's traditions, like this one, ‘~First Day of Week, Sunday, Jesus rose, and the two Marys came to the tomb~’ are more important to some instead of the actual Truth in God's Word.

 

[Phoneman777]

What do you do with the fact that the Manna was preserved over the Sabbath, and Jesus' body was "preserved from corruption" over the Sabbath? He died and was buried before the Sabbath, slept the sleep of death in the tomb on Sabbath, and arose sometime after the sun went down and Sabbath became the first day of the week - probably just before dawn "as the day was dawning".

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

What do you do with the fact that the Manna was preserved over the Sabbath, and Jesus' body was "preserved from corruption" over the Sabbath? He died and was buried before the Sabbath, slept the sleep of death in the tomb on Sabbath, and arose sometime after the sun went down and Sabbath became the first day of the week - probably just before dawn "as the day was dawning".

Re: '~What do you do with the fact that the Manna was preserved over the Sabbath, and Jesus' body was "preserved from corruption" over the Sabbath?~'


Yes, the Manna was preserved over the Sixth Day and the Sabbath, like Jesus' body, was '~preserved from corruption~' over the Sixth Day and the Sabbath.

But the manna was also eaten on the Sabbath, and in the bellies of the eaters, although it corrupted, nevertheless preserved their lives on the Sabbath, as fore-shadowed it the Resurrection of Life of the Christ, the heavenly Manna "eaten" and buried "in the flesh", only "not to see corruption", but The Resurrection of Life "in the Last Day", "on the Sabbath".


Re: '~He died and was buried before the Sabbath~'

Christ died '~before the Sabbath~', but before the sabbath-of-the-passover, though. Therefore Jesus DIED on "the Preparation OF THE PASSOVER" John 19:14, "the first day they always had to KILL the passover and REMOVE leaven on" John 13:1 Mark 14:12 Matthew 26:17 Luke 22:7 -- "the fourteenth day of the First Month".


But Jesus was not '~buried before the Sabbath~' the same day! '~He was buried before the Sabbath~' on "The Preparation WHICH IS The Fore-Sabbath .. because That Day was great-day-of-sabbath-of" THE PASSOVER its first "Feast-Day-Sabbath-of-Unleavened-Bread" EATEN -- "the fifteenth day of the First Month". Which day began with its "evening" starting after sunset, Mark 15:42 Matthew 27:57 John 19:31,38 Luke 23:50.


So Joseph "evening" after sunset after the day Jesus died on, obtained the body "in order TO bury (Him) according to the ethics, custom, LAW of the Jews to bury", viz., the passover-Scriptures in the Torah, e.g., Exodus 12:6,8 Leviticus 23:5,6.


Re: '~arose sometime after the sun went down and Sabbath became the first day of the week - probably just before dawn "as the day was dawning".~'


No, "Late ON SABBATH being in the mid-afternoon before / towards / against the First Day of the week." "THEREFORE I (the LORD) COMMAND YOU THIS DAY" -- in the Fourth Commandment.

 

[epostle1]

Jesus was crucified on Friday, not Thursday.

We know that Jesus was crucified on a Friday because Scripture tells us that the Sabbath (Saturday) was approaching (e.g., Mt 27:62, Mk 15:42, Lk 23:54, Jn 19:31 – the “day of preparation” is Friday, the day before the Sabbath: Saturday, and the Sabbath was considered to begin on sundown on Friday, as with Jews to this day).

We also know from the biblical data that the discovery of His Resurrection was on a Sunday (e.g., Mk 16:1-2-,9, Mt 28:1, Lk 24:1, Jn 20:1). And we know that “three days and three nights” (Mt 12:40) is synonymous in the Hebrew mind and the Bible with “after three days” ((Mk 8:31) and “on the third day” (Mt 16:21, 1 Cor 15:4). Most references to the Resurrection say that it happened on the third day. In John 2:19-22, Jesus said that He would be raised up in three days (not on the fourth day).

It would be like saying, “This is the third day I’ve been working on painting this room.” I could have started painting late Friday and made this remark on early Sunday. If I complete the task on Sunday, then the chronology would be just as Jesus’ Resurrection was. The only difference is the Hebrew idiom “three days and three nights” which was not intended in the hyper-literal sense as YOU might mistakenly interpret it today.

In fact, to say that Jesus was crucified on a Wednesday or Thursday afternoon (apart from the biblical difficulties of this assertion) will not solve this problem for those who wish to interpret hyper-literally without taking into account idiomatic and non-literal, non-“scientific” expression. The only way to get three literal 24-hour days would be for Jesus to rise at the same time He was crucified, and then (technically) He would be rising at the beginning of a fourth 24-hour day, whereas the Bible says this happened on the “third” day.

But He died at about 3 PM (Mt 27:46, Lk 23:44-46: “the ninth hour” is 3 PM, because it was figured by the Jews from 6 AM). So a literal “three 24-hour day” interpretation of a Wednesday crucifixion would have Jesus rising at Saturday at 3 PM, and a Thursday crucifixion would have a Sunday, 3 PM Resurrection (or the discovery of same, at any rate). The Bible, however, has the disciples discovering that the Lord had risen early on Sunday morning (Lk 23:56: they rested on the Sabbath; Lk 24:1: at “early dawn, they went to the tomb”); so early, in Mary Magdalene’s case, that it was still dark (Jn 20:1).

The understanding of idiom explains all this. For both the ancient Jews (6 PM to 6 PM days) and Romans (who reckoned days from midnight to midnight), the way to refer to three separate 24-hour days (in whole or in part) was to say “days and nights.” We speak similarly in English idiom – just without adding the “nights” part. For example, we will say that we are off for a long weekend vacation, of “three days of fun” (Friday through Sunday or Saturday through Monday). But it is understood that this is not three full 24-hour days. Chances are we will depart part way through the first day and return before the third day ends. So for a Saturday through Monday vacation, if we leave at 8 AM on Saturday and return at 10 PM on Monday night, literally that is less than three full days (it would be two 24-hour days and 14 more hours: ten short of three full days).

Yet we speak of a “three-day vacation” and that we returned “after three days” or “on the third day.” A literal “three 24-hour day trip” would end at 8 AM on Tuesday. Such descriptions are understood, then, as non-literal. The ancient Jews and Romans simply added the clause “and nights” to such utterances, but understood them in the same way, as referring to any part of a whole 24-hour day.

Thus the “problem” or so-called “biblical contradiction” vanishes.

Jesus' "3 Days & Nights" in the Tomb: Contradiction?

 

[Enoch111]

No, "Late ON SABBATH being in the mid-afternoon before / towards / against the First Day of the week." "THEREFORE I (the LORD) COMMAND YOU THIS DAY" -- in the Fourth Commandment.

Since the sabbath was originally God's sabbath, and God's day of rest, there is absolutely no way that Christ arose on the day of His rest. And you are taking a Scripture out of context above.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

We know that Jesus was crucified on a Friday because Scripture tells us that the Sabbath (Saturday) was approaching (e.g., Mt 27:62, Mk 15:42, Lk 23:54, Jn 19:31 – the “day of preparation” is Friday, the day before the Sabbath: Saturday, and the Sabbath was considered to begin on sundown on Friday, as with Jews to this day).

Re: '~Scripture tells us that the Sabbath (Saturday) was approaching~'

Was '~the Sabbath (Saturday) approaching~' in '~Mt 27:62~'?

Matthew 27:62, "the MORNING after the Preparation..." So, No!

Was '~the Sabbath (Saturday) approaching~' in '~Mk 15:42~'?

Mark 15:42, "And now when the evening WAS come..." So, No!

Was '~the Sabbath (Saturday) approaching~' in '~Lk 23:54~'?

Luke 23:54, "And That Day WAS the Preparation the Sabbath approaching..." "And Joseph rolled a stone in the door of the sepulchre and departed." Matthew 27:61. So, Yes!

But was '~the Sabbath (Saturday) approaching~' in Luke 23:50?

Luke 23:50, "And suddenly there was Joseph there .. this man went to Pilate and begged the body of Jesus...". So, buried he Jesus' body on '~Saturday the Sabbath~'? No!
Then when arrived Joseph there to ask Pilate for the body?
Mark 15:42,43 "And now when the evening was come...Joseph...came" Matthew 27:57, "And when evening was come there came...Joseph."
So was '~the Sabbath (Saturday) approaching~' in Luke 23:50? No, "The Preparation WHICH IS The Fore-Sabbath .. because That Day was great-day-of-sabbath-of" the PASSOVER its first "Feast-Day-Sabbath-of-Unleavened-Bread" EATEN -- "the fifteenth day of the First Month", started and was prospective.

Was '~the Sabbath (Saturday) approaching~' in '~Jn 19:31~'?

John 19:31, "Because The Preparation had begun...the Jews therefore asked Pilate..." So, No!
Then when arrived Joseph there to ask Pilate for the body?
John 19:38, "AFTER THIS...Joseph...besought Pilate..."!!

Re: '~Jn 19:31 – the “day of preparation” is Friday, the day before the Sabbath: Saturday, and the Sabbath was considered to begin on sundown on Friday, as with Jews to this day~'

Absolutely RIGHT!

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

The only difference is the Hebrew idiom “three days and three nights” which was not intended in the hyper-literal sense as YOU might mistakenly interpret it today.

I interpret “three days and three nights” as an '~Hebrew idiom~'??
You must mistake me for someone else.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

The understanding of idiom explains all this.

The only idiom in this whole saga is the expression "after three days" for the literal "third day" of the literal "three days" of the literal "three days and three nights Jonah (retrospective) was in the belly of the fish". Understanding idiom will explain no more than this.
"Three days and three nights" is no idiom and needs no explanation; it's the real three nights and days of the real "three days thick darkness" of the ninth and tenth passover plagues.

 

[epostle1]

Since the sabbath was originally God's sabbath, and God's day of rest, there is absolutely no way that Christ arose on the day of His rest. And you are taking a Scripture out of context above.

Jesus rose early Sunday morning, which is not the Sabbath.

I interpret “three days and three nights” as an '~Hebrew idiom~'??
You must mistake me for someone else.

I didn't quote you or anybody else. Denying Hebrew idioms results in 3-24 hour days, which is absurd.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Since the sabbath was originally God's sabbath, and God's day of rest, there is absolutely no way that Christ arose on the day of His rest. And you are taking a Scripture out of context above.

'~That Christ arose~' was and is and forever will have been, '~His (God's) rest~'.

 

[Enoch111]

Jesus rose early Sunday morning, which is not the Sabbath.

That's exactly what I was saying.

The sabbath was over, and Christ arose on the first day of the week. Symbolically it is also the eighth day, and in Scripture the number 8 (7 + 1) represents a New Creation or a New Order (resurrection, regeneration). The outpouring of the Holy Spirit on Pentecost with a multitude being regenerated was also on the eighth day.

We see this in Noah's Ark, where only eight souls were saved to give humanity a fresh start. We also see this in the circumcision of Hebrew boys on the eighth day after birth. The numerical value of the Greek name for Jesus (IESOUS) is 888.

 

[Phoneman777]

Re: '~What do you do with the fact that the Manna was preserved over the Sabbath, and Jesus' body was "preserved from corruption" over the Sabbath?~'


Yes, the Manna was preserved over the Sixth Day and the Sabbath, like Jesus' body, was '~preserved from corruption~' over the Sixth Day and the Sabbath.

But the manna was also eaten on the Sabbath, and in the bellies of the eaters, although it corrupted, nevertheless preserved their lives on the Sabbath, as fore-shadowed it the Resurrection of Life of the Christ, the heavenly Manna "eaten" and buried "in the flesh", only "not to see corruption", but The Resurrection of Life "in the Last Day", "on the Sabbath".


Re: '~He died and was buried before the Sabbath~'

Christ died '~before the Sabbath~', but before the sabbath-of-the-passover, though. Therefore Jesus DIED on "the Preparation OF THE PASSOVER" John 19:14, "the first day they always had to KILL the passover and REMOVE leaven on" John 13:1 Mark 14:12 Matthew 26:17 Luke 22:7 -- "the fourteenth day of the First Month".


But Jesus was not '~buried before the Sabbath~' the same day! '~He was buried before the Sabbath~' on "The Preparation WHICH IS The Fore-Sabbath .. because That Day was great-day-of-sabbath-of" THE PASSOVER its first "Feast-Day-Sabbath-of-Unleavened-Bread" EATEN -- "the fifteenth day of the First Month". Which day began with its "evening" starting after sunset, Mark 15:42 Matthew 27:57 John 19:31,38 Luke 23:50.


So Joseph "evening" after sunset after the day Jesus died on, obtained the body "in order TO bury (Him) according to the ethics, custom, LAW of the Jews to bury", viz., the passover-Scriptures in the Torah, e.g., Exodus 12:6,8 Leviticus 23:5,6.


Re: '~arose sometime after the sun went down and Sabbath became the first day of the week - probably just before dawn "as the day was dawning".~'


No, "Late ON SABBATH being in the mid-afternoon before / towards / against the First Day of the week." "THEREFORE I (the LORD) COMMAND YOU THIS DAY" -- in the Fourth Commandment.

We have to disagree. The Scriptures teach that Jesus' body was taken down laid in a tomb on the preparation day - the sixth day of the week - and that the Sabbath was drawing close. The women observed this, returned to buy spices and prepare them before sunset, after which they kept the Sabbath "according to the commandment" which hadn't been nailed to the Cross or anything, and then returned after the Sabbath to anoint His body, which would not have been what we call "Saturday night" because of the darkness, but would have been Sunday morning when there was light to do their work.

The preservation of the manna over the Sabbath was a miracle. Jesus' preserved body over the Sabbath was also a miracle. Digestion of manna on Sabbath has nothing to do with any miracle. To say Jesus' body was not in the tomb all through the Sabbath destroys the type/antitype and removes the manna as part of the OT Scriptures which Jesus said "testify of Me".

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

The sabbath was over, and Christ arose on the first day of the week.

Re: '~The sabbath was over~'.
Matthew 28:1, 'Sabbatohn' "(It was) Sabbath..." / "Sabbath..." / "Sabbath's-time..." / "Day-of-the-Sabbath..." "The (weekly) Sabbath..."

The sabbath was not over and Christ arose "when ON THE SABBATH suddenly there was a great earthquake", 'SABBATOHN kai idou seismos egeneto megas'!

Re: '~on the first day of the week~'.
'~on...~'. No indication whatsoever.
No indication with the Case, being Accusative and implying and meaning "towards" / "unto" / "before the First-Day-of-the-week" - 'Mian (Hehmeran) sabbatohn'".
(IF the Case WERE Dative or Genitive as with 'Sabbatohn', it WOULD have implied "on" / "in" / "with the First-Day-of-the-week".)

There is no indication of '~on the first day of the week~' with the Preposition being 'eis', meaning and indicating "towards" / "unto" / "before" in AGREEMENT with the Accusative!

Symbolically it is also the eighth day, and in Scripture the number 8 (7 + 1) represents a New Creation or a New Order (resurrection, regeneration). The outpouring of the Holy Spirit on Pentecost with a multitude being regenerated was also on the eighth day.

Re: '~Symbolically it is also the eighth day~'

There is nothing '~symbolical~' whatsoever in Matthew 28:1-4. Everything recorded was historic event.

Re: ~in Scripture the number 8 (7 + 1) represents a New Creation or a New Order (resurrection, regeneration).~''

In Scripture the foreskins were cut off and burned on the eighth day.
In Scripture the eighth day was the LAST day on which the temporary huts of leaves were dismantled and destroyed.
In the story of Noah the mentioned "Seventh Day" means just that; there is no 'eighth day' in it. Eight souls were eight people, not eight days -- what one eighth day!

In Matthew 28:1-4 no irrelevancy or surmising applies; it was reality the truth.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

We have to disagree. The Scriptures teach that Jesus' body was taken down laid in a tomb on the preparation day - the sixth day of the week - and that the Sabbath was drawing close.

Why do we have to disagree, for heavens' sake, WE AGREE!

Luke 23:50 to 56a Mark 15:42 to 47 Matthew 27:57 to 61 John 19:31 to 42!

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

The women observed this,

We still agree, Luke 23:56B Matthew 27:62 to Matthew 28:4 Mark has nothing. John has nothing.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

The women .. returned to buy spices and prepare them before sunset, after which they kept the Sabbath "according to the commandment"

The women, "Mary Magdalene and the other Mary", did not "return", '~to buy spices~' or, "bought spices", after Joseph had closed the grave. The two of them, after Joseph had closed the grave and had returned home himself, "also returned home and prepared spices and ointments" which they had at home. After which preparation of the spices and their usual preparations for the Sabbath, "they .. at home .. began to rest the Sabbath".

"And AFTER the Sabbath, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary AND SALOME, BOUGHT, spices, so that, when they would go (to the grave) they might anoint Him." Mark 16:1.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

and then returned after the Sabbath to anoint His body, which would not have been what we call "Saturday night" because of the darkness, but would have been Sunday morning when there was light to do their work.

Scripture for, '~returned after the Sabbath to anoint His body~' -- Non existent.

after the Sabbath .. which would not have been what we call "Saturday night" because of the darkness, but would have been Sunday morning when there was light to do their work.

No, they "bought spices", at the Spar, brought their spices home, and in the light of their home, were able to get it ready so that "when they would go (to the grave), they may / could anoint Him (the body)" with all THREE women's spices and ointments.

Now Luke records that "THE TWO WOMEN, AND, OTHERS with them, carrying their prepared spices, arrived at the tomb deepest of morning" just after midnight "on the First Day of the week", so that the THREE women it seems, must after the Sabbath have bought spices not only for Salome, but for other women who were not at the burial on Friday, as well.

Re: '~after the Sabbath .. which would not have been what we call "Saturday night" because of the darkness~'.
"After the Sabbath" in Mark 16:1, literally "when the Sabbath was gone through" - 'diagenomenou tou sabbatou', was directly after sunset after Sabbath while the grocer was still open for business, and was neither '~"Saturday night" because of the darkness,~' nor '~Sunday morning when there was light~'. On the contrary, as noted above, the women "came with their spices prepared deepest-of-night-morning", 'orthrou batheohs', just after midnight "on the First Day of the week".

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Digestion of manna on Sabbath has nothing to do with any miracle.

I did not say the '~digestion of manna~' was a miracle. I said its preservation was a miracle, and that the fact that the manna preserved the lives of the eaters was a shadowing forth of Christ the heavenly Manna whose flesh saw no corruption in death but by having Resurrected from the dead, was 'preserved' uncorrupted and incorruptible, Divine Miracle by the Almighty wrought "in fullness (of fulfilment) on / of the Sabbath" - 'opse de Sabbatohn'.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

To say Jesus' body was not in the tomb all through the Sabbath destroys the type/antitype and removes the manna as part of the OT Scriptures which Jesus said "testify of Me".

You still have to discover what in the Sabbath of the OT Scriptures testified of Christ. So far all you see in it is Jesus' dead body, 'resting' or 'rotting', I would not know, yet, all Scripture shows, Jesus the Son of Man after Death's Fast "BEING RESTED UP AGAIN HIS NAME, THE HOLY OF HOLIES .. OF THE SABBATH LORD!"

John 4:34, Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the Will of Him that sent Me TO FINISH HIS WORK.

 

[Phoneman777]

You still have to discover what in the Sabbath of the OT Scriptures testified of Christ. So far all you see in it is Jesus' dead body, 'resting' or 'rotting', I would not know, yet, all Scripture shows, Jesus the Son of Man after Death's Fast "BEING RESTED UP AGAIN HIS NAME, THE HOLY OF HOLIES .. OF THE SABBATH LORD!"

John 4:34, Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the Will of Him that sent Me TO FINISH HIS WORK.

So, then we agree that:

• Jesus died on Nisan 14 (Preparation day aka "Friday"),
• was buried before the Sabbath began and rested in the tomb throughout the Sabbath (Nisan 15 aka "Saturday") without His flesh seeing corruption,
• and then arose the day following the Sabbath (Nisan 16 aka "Sunday"),

with His body miraculously preserved from corruption over the Sabbath hours, a NT "antitype" to the OT "type" which was the manna that was also miraculously preserved during the Sabbath hours as well, or have I missed something?