Well Nancy, looks like we agree on everything!
:)
So far yes, we are on the same page...;)
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Well Nancy, looks like we agree on everything!
:)
LOL
babble-on addicts?
The M word?
It made me laugh, but I guess it's not so funny.
Could it be that someone in the upper room said:
"Now, let's count everyone here so that when Acts is written, Luke will know exactly how many persons to write about".
Not much. Radical iconoclastic cults and certain Protestants are rigidly adhering to the 11th commandment of John Calvin, the same biblical illiterates that accuse Catholics of changing the 10. The "reformers" smashed stained glass thinking they were doing God a favor; that spirit has remained in most of Protestantism ever since. BTW, a great post, GG.Yes. I think it could get kind of silly. I've often said that scripture is a complete idea and to pull verses out, and even WORDS nowadays, is kind of missing the whole point of why the N.T. was put together. Which is to let us know about Jesus and His life in general and how He was the light of God, and IS God. Why we should "listen to Him"...
As to religious art, what would man have done without it?
Here is the N.T. of the early times, up until maybe 1500 to 1600...
And much more.
They couldn't read or write back then,,,this is all they had.
Anyway, pictures make things more real.
If people want to think we're worshipping the picture or art form, well, what can I say?
Gradients of beauty is a powerful argument that Thomas Aquinas used to prove the existence of God. It's like having a little plastic Pieta on your key chain, and graded up to Michelangelo's masterpiece. That illustrates the concept of gradient beauty on earth, and God is infinite beauty.God created beauty, and what could be more beautiful than images of Him and His life and story?
I know the CCC is not the easiest book to understand.
It seemed as though you were saying that every time a catholic sins, he becomes unsaved. I'm sorry if I misunderstood you. I don't plan on discussing this forever, it's just a misconception Protestants have and I hate for it to be repeated when it's not correct.
Catholics believe they are being saved right now as long as they believe and will be saved at the end of their life if they still believe.
WE believe the same --- nothing different, except for those who believe in eternal security, which is not really biblical.
So Catholics believe they are saved through Jesus,
Galatians 2:16 and John 3:16
Also they do require those who want to be part of the church to receive the sacraments of Baptism, communion, confirmation, reconciliation.
They believe that they receive graces through sacraments that edify them.
It changes the nature of our loving and merciful God.AMEN to that sister! I first and foremost do not do "isms" -
(unless it's Jesus-ism, lol) - but, Calvinism is a lie from the pit of hell IMO. The very doctrine that had me leave the Church back in the late 90's as I truly believed I was kindling for Hell! TULIP means what is says it is-a pretty spring flower. It is an arrogant doctrine, and dangerous..."their" T=total deprivation. Meaning of course, born in Adam. So, if a child were born stillborn, or die at an age where their understanding of even the basics of life itself is non existent or very limited, they have never knowingly sinned but "T" says they are NOT saved and go to Hell...wow.
I like CS Lewis too.So far yes, we are on the same page...;)
Too much. Need my computer....
My understanding from the Catholic catechism is that Catholics are not saved yet. They are doing the works of catholicism towards that end.
I am not sure where I had posted that inferred or implied about specifically that every time a Catholic sinned, they become unsaved.
"Being saved" is probably why they think they are in the process of being saved when they are saved.
1 Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.....21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
Isn't your understanding what the Catholic Church teaches about purgatory is how it is necessary to do penance to shorten one's stay in it for obtaining that salvation in getting into Heaven? That was what I had believed was taught by the CC.
How do you apply Ephesians 4:30? Reads to me that the Holy Spirit is not going anywhere.
Then there is that promise from Jesus about not losing any one that the Father has given Him that believes in Him in John 6:38-40
BUT that is not saying that every saved believer will be ready to inherit that celestial inheritance of being that vessel unto honor in His House to attend the Marriage Supper when the Bridegroom comes. Those left behind are still saved, but denied entrance to attend the Marriage Supper as they will be received later on of their inheritance after the great tribulation. This is where the vessels unto dishonor comes from that are still in His House because they are saved. See 2 Timothy 2:18-21 in how this call to depart from iniquity, also includes former believers as 2 Timothy 2:13 explains how.
Yes... I have heard that some Catholics say that they are saved, but devout Catholics that believe they are not saved yet would just treat the Catholics that believe that they are saved as "cafeteria Catholics" as only believing in parts of catholicism and not all of it from which then the Lord would call the Catholics that believe that they are saved to show their faith in Him that they are saved by leaving the Catholic Church. Otherwise... the devout Catholics cannot see that faith in Him when remaining in the Catholic Church as they are when that purpose is for obtaining the means of salvation within CC.
Grace is not of works, otherwise it is no longer grace.
Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Mercy is not getting what we deserve and grace is getting what we do not deserve.
Salvation has been obtained by when you had first believed in the Lord Jesus Christ and that God had raised Him from the dead.
Running that race by looking to Jesus Christ, the author & finisher of our faith, to help us lay aside every weight & sin in seeking to be received by the Bridegroom as vessels unto honor in His House to attend the Marriage Supper is the high prize of our calling.... not to obtain salvation by when Jesus Christ has saved us, but to be delivered from what is coming on the earth. See 2 Peter 3rd chapter at the link below in the KJV.
Bible Gateway passage: 2 Peter 3 - King James Version
1 Peter 4:17-19 in the KJV testifies to how after God judges His House, Jesus Christ is faithful in keeping the souls of His saints that are left behind to suffer the coming fire on the earth and the eventual great tribulation as a result.
1 Peter 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? 19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.
So it is not about obtaining salvation, but acknowledging that we are saved as we look to Him as our Good Shepherd for living this reconciled relationship with God as our confidence and hopes are on Him to finish the race for us: Philippians 1:6
Too much. Need my computer....
Won't forget!
Too much. Need my computer....
Won't forget!
I just checked.Too much. Need my computer....
Won't forget!
Thanks!I understand. I hope you are not driving while you are doing this, sister.
Be safe. ;)
What's that?I just checked.
You're not eligible for a ByGrace mass card.
Sorry, it's in the tagsWhat's that?
What did I miss now??
I'm not sure if it was Aquinas who stated that proof of God is our search for perfection.![]()
Not much. Radical iconoclastic cults and certain Protestants are rigidly adhering to the 11th commandment of John Calvin, the same biblical illiterates that accuse Catholics of changing the 10. The "reformers" smashed stained glass thinking they were doing God a favor; that spirit has remained in most of Protestantism ever since. BTW, a great post, GG.
Gradients of beauty is a powerful argument that Thomas Aquinas used to prove the existence of God. It's like having a little plastic Pieta on your key chain, and graded up to Michelangelo's masterpiece. That illustrates the concept of gradient beauty on earth, and God is infinite beauty.
lower gradient of beauty
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higher gradient of beauty
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for some, rap music is a lower gradient of beauty than classical music. God's music is infinitely beautiful.
I like CS Lewis too.
Mere Christianity is the best book I've ever read that explains Christianity.
Could I get a rain check?Sorry, it's in the tags
we've run out
Every teen should read The Srewtape Letters.Yes, he is an awesome writer...loved Mere Christianity too...loved The Screwtape Letters. Those are the only books of his I read but, read allot about him. Did you ever see the movie Shadowlands? It's about C.S. Lewis. Anthony Hopkins plays him...very good.
Of course not sweetie.Could I get a rain check?
Is my salvation in peril because of this?
Yes sir!Of course not sweetie.
But when a free gift is offered to you, you gotta grab it while you can.....
First you have to come to terms with the fact that Adam and Eve were real people, not symbols or personifications. Understand the meaning of the name "Eve". It's explicitly spelled out in Genesis. It means "mother of all the living". It is a prophetic name given to a real flesh and blood earthly person.This is plainly nonsensical.
Revelation 12 has nothing to say about Mary one way or another. And here is the reason why that woman cannot symbolize Mary: And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. (Rev 12:17).
If you claim that this woman is Mary, then "the remnant of her seed" could only be the half-brothers and sisters of Jesus of Nazareth (which the Catholic Church denies regarding their existence).
But since this prophecy is about the Tribulation Period (for a time, times, and half a time = 3 1/2 years) in the future under the reign of the Antichrist and Satan (see Rev 13) it has nothing to do with the offspring of Mary. Rather, this is the believing remnant of Israel before the second coming of Christ, preserved in the wilderness by God.
Shouldn't you be content that God knows exactly who they are and has identified them as 144,000 from the twelve tribes of Israel?