Well Nancy, looks like we agree on everything!
So far yes, we are on the same page...
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Not much. Radical iconoclastic cults and certain Protestants are rigidly adhering to the 11th commandment of John Calvin, the same biblical illiterates that accuse Catholics of changing the 10. The "reformers" smashed stained glass thinking they were doing God a favor; that spirit has remained in most of Protestantism ever since. BTW, a great post, GG.Yes. I think it could get kind of silly. I've often said that scripture is a complete idea and to pull verses out, and even WORDS nowadays, is kind of missing the whole point of why the N.T. was put together. Which is to let us know about Jesus and His life in general and how He was the light of God, and IS God. Why we should "listen to Him"...
As to religious art, what would man have done without it?
Here is the N.T. of the early times, up until maybe 1500 to 1600...
And much more.
They couldn't read or write back then,,,this is all they had.
Anyway, pictures make things more real.
If people want to think we're worshipping the picture or art form, well, what can I say?
Gradients of beauty is a powerful argument that Thomas Aquinas used to prove the existence of God. It's like having a little plastic Pieta on your key chain, and graded up to Michelangelo's masterpiece. That illustrates the concept of gradient beauty on earth, and God is infinite beauty.
lower gradient of beauty
higher gradient of beauty
higher gradient of beauty
for some, rap music is a lower gradient of beauty than classical music. God's music is infinitely beautiful.
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My understanding from the Catholic catechism is that Catholics are not saved yet. They are doing the works of catholicism towards that end.
I am not sure where I had posted that inferred or implied about specifically that every time a Catholic sinned, they become unsaved.
"Being saved" is probably why they think they are in the process of being saved when they are saved.
1 Corinthians 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.....21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
Isn't your understanding what the Catholic Church teaches about purgatory is how it is necessary to do penance to shorten one's stay in it for obtaining that salvation in getting into Heaven? That was what I had believed was taught by the CC.
How do you apply Ephesians 4:30? Reads to me that the Holy Spirit is not going anywhere.
Then there is that promise from Jesus about not losing any one that the Father has given Him that believes in Him in John 6:38-40
BUT that is not saying that every saved believer will be ready to inherit that celestial inheritance of being that vessel unto honor in His House to attend the Marriage Supper when the Bridegroom comes. Those left behind are still saved, but denied entrance to attend the Marriage Supper as they will be received later on of their inheritance after the great tribulation. This is where the vessels unto dishonor comes from that are still in His House because they are saved. See 2 Timothy 2:18-21 in how this call to depart from iniquity, also includes former believers as 2 Timothy 2:13 explains how.
Yes... I have heard that some Catholics say that they are saved, but devout Catholics that believe they are not saved yet would just treat the Catholics that believe that they are saved as "cafeteria Catholics" as only believing in parts of catholicism and not all of it from which then the Lord would call the Catholics that believe that they are saved to show their faith in Him that they are saved by leaving the Catholic Church. Otherwise... the devout Catholics cannot see that faith in Him when remaining in the Catholic Church as they are when that purpose is for obtaining the means of salvation within CC.
Grace is not of works, otherwise it is no longer grace.
Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Mercy is not getting what we deserve and grace is getting what we do not deserve.
Salvation has been obtained by when you had first believed in the Lord Jesus Christ and that God had raised Him from the dead.
Running that race by looking to Jesus Christ, the author & finisher of our faith, to help us lay aside every weight & sin in seeking to be received by the Bridegroom as vessels unto honor in His House to attend the Marriage Supper is the high prize of our calling.... not to obtain salvation by when Jesus Christ has saved us, but to be delivered from what is coming on the earth. See 2 Peter 3rd chapter at the link below in the KJV.
Bible Gateway passage: 2 Peter 3 - King James Version
1 Peter 4:17-19 in the KJV testifies to how after God judges His House, Jesus Christ is faithful in keeping the souls of His saints that are left behind to suffer the coming fire on the earth and the eventual great tribulation as a result.
1 Peter 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? 19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.
So it is not about obtaining salvation, but acknowledging that we are saved as we look to Him as our Good Shepherd for living this reconciled relationship with God as our confidence and hopes are on Him to finish the race for us: Philippians 1:6
It changes the nature of our loving and merciful God.
And to do this every scripture is twisted to their understanding.
I believe it's blaspheming the Holy Spirit.
I like CS Lewis too.So far yes, we are on the same page...
Mere Christianity is the best book I've ever read that explains Christianity.
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Thanks!I understand. I hope you are not driving while you are doing this, sister.
Be safe.
No. I don't use my phone and drive.
It's really dangerous.
I'm not sure if it was Aquinas who stated that proof of God is our search for perfection.
Not much. Radical iconoclastic cults and certain Protestants are rigidly adhering to the 11th commandment of John Calvin, the same biblical illiterates that accuse Catholics of changing the 10. The "reformers" smashed stained glass thinking they were doing God a favor; that spirit has remained in most of Protestantism ever since. BTW, a great post, GG.
Gradients of beauty is a powerful argument that Thomas Aquinas used to prove the existence of God. It's like having a little plastic Pieta on your key chain, and graded up to Michelangelo's masterpiece. That illustrates the concept of gradient beauty on earth, and God is infinite beauty.
lower gradient of beauty
higher gradient of beauty
for some, rap music is a lower gradient of beauty than classical music. God's music is infinitely beautiful.
We cannot search for something we cannot imagine. If we search for perfection, it's in our consciousness and must surely exist.
Only God is perfect, and we're born with this innate desire,,,
Yes, he is an awesome writer...loved Mere Christianity too...loved The Screwtape Letters. Those are the only books of his I read but, read allot about him. Did you ever see the movie Shadowlands? It's about C.S. Lewis. Anthony Hopkins plays him...very good.
Every teen should read The Srewtape Letters.
Nothing is real to them...most of them.
Not God and not the enemy. This book brings the enemy to life.
I'll look for the movie.Thanks!
Of course not sweetie.
But when a free gift is offered to you, you gotta grab it while you can.....
First you have to come to terms with the fact that Adam and Eve were real people, not symbols or personifications. Understand the meaning of the name "Eve". It's explicitly spelled out in Genesis. It means "mother of all the living". It is a prophetic name given to a real flesh and blood earthly person.
Then you apply that fact to the prophecy of Genesis 3:15
Fast forward to the construction of the Ark of the Old Covenant, and other major OT events. Exodus 25:11-21, 2 Sam. 6:7 , 1 Chron. 13:9-10
Luke 1:39 / 2 Sam. 6:2 Luke’s conspicuous comparison’s between Mary and the Ark described by Samuel underscores the reality of Mary as the undefiled and immaculate Ark of the New Covenant. In these verses, Mary (the Ark) arose and went / David arose and went to the Ark. There is a clear parallel between the Ark of the Old and the Ark of the New Covenant that your fear based religion teaches you to deny.
2 Sam. 6:16 – King David leaped for joy before Ark. Luke 1:41 John the Baptist leaped for joy in the womb before Mary, the Ark of the New Covenant. So should we leap for joy before Mary the immaculate Ark of the Word made flesh.
Luke 1:56 / 2 Sam. 6:11 and 1 Chron. 13:14 – Mary / the Ark remained in the house for about three months.
Rev 11:19 – at this point in history, the Ark of the Old Covenant was not seen for six centuries (see 2 Macc. 2:7), and now it is finally seen in heaven. The Jewish people would have been absolutely amazed at this. However, John immediately passes over this fact and describes the “woman” clothed with the sun in Rev. 12:1. John is emphasizing that Mary is the Ark of the New Covenant and who, like the Old ark, is now worthy of veneration and praise. Also remember that Rev. 11:19 and Rev. 12:1 are tied together because there was no chapter and verse at the time these texts were written.
Rev 12:1 – the “woman” that John is describing is Mary, the Ark of the New Covenant, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars. Just as the moon reflects the light of the sun, so Mary, with the moon under her feet, reflects the glory of the Sun of Justice, Jesus Christ.
Rev. 12:17 – this verse tells us that Mary’s offspring are those who keep God’s commandments and bear testimony to Jesus. This demonstrates, as Catholics have always believed, that Mary is the Mother of all Christians. The only two qualifications listed to be an offspring are
1) those who keep God’s commandments AND
2) bear testimony to Jesus
Scripture says NOTHING about belonging to a specific church/community.
Rev. 12:2 – Some Protestants argue that, because the woman had birth pangs, she was a woman with sin. However, Revelation is apocalyptic literature unique to the 1st century. It contains varied symbolism and multiple meanings of the woman (Mary, the Church and Israel). The birth pangs describe both the birth of the Church and Mary’s offspring being formed in Christ. Mary had no birth pangs in delivering her only Son Jesus.
Isaiah 66:7 – for example, we see Isaiah prophesying that before she (Mary) was in labor she gave birth; before her pain came upon her she was delivered of a son (Jesus). This is a Marian prophecy of the virgin birth of Jesus Christ.
Gal 4:19 – Paul also describes his pain as birth pangs in forming the disciples in Christ. Birth pangs describe formation in Christ.
Rom. 8:22 – also, Paul says the whole creation has been groaning in travail before the coming of Christ. We are all undergoing birth pangs because we are being reborn into Jesus Christ.
Jer. 13:21 – Jeremiah describes the birth pangs of Israel, like a woman in travail. Birth pangs are usually used metaphorically in the Scriptures.
Hos. 13:12-13 – Ephraim is also described as travailing in childbirth for his sins. Again, birth pangs are used metaphorically.
Rev. 12:17 – this verse proves the meaning of John 19:26. The “woman’s” (Mary’s) offspring are those who follow Jesus. She is our Mother and we are her offspring in Jesus Christ. The master plan of God’s covenant love for us is family. But we cannot be a complete family with the Fatherhood of God and the Brotherhood of Christ without the Motherhood of Mary.
John 2:3 – this is a very signifcant verse in Scripture. As our mother, Mary tells all of us to do whatever Jesus tells us. Further, Mary’s intercession at the marriage feast in Cana triggers Jesus’ ministry and a foreshadowing of the Eucharistic celebration of the Lamb. This celebration unites all believers into one family through the marriage of divinity and humanity.
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I am content. I also know where there is a pool of virgin men, consecrated to the Lord, that is large enough to provide 144000 if the number is itself literal.
Peace!
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