Lessons for historical Mary

[Stranger]

This topic is in light of Marymog's statement in post #223 in the Communion vs Holy Communion Thread. There she said, concerning Quantrill the Southern Calvaryman:

"I disapprove of respecting a man who has been called one of the psychopathic killers in America...and ordered/participated in the burning, looting and killing of the citizens of Lawrence Kansas"

So, Marymog, you have simply regurgitated the common politically correct and distorted view of Quantrill. First of all I want to address the cause for the burning, killing, and looting of Lawrence.

Taken from (Three Years With Quantrill, A True Story Told by His Scout John McCorkle, O.S Barton, Univ. of Oklahoma Press, 1992, p.119-123)

"In September [August], 1863, Captain Bill Anderson and his company joined us. At this time, the outrages committed by the Federal troops,which consisted mostly of Home Guards and Kansas Redlegs and Jayhawkers, beggars description. At this late day,it seems impossible that human beings could have been guilty of such merciless outrages as these men committed. Among the leaders of these bands were Jennison, Jim Lane and a Captain Mead and I will only attempt to give a few of their acts as an illustration of their brutality and to further impress upon the minds of my readers why we acted as we did.

"Captain Mead, with his band went to the home of Mrs. Carter, a widow seventy years of age, and compelled her,at the hour of 12 o'clock at night to ride fourteen miles horseback, facing a bitter snowstorm, to the town of Independence, where she was lodged in jail for feeding rebel soldiers, her two boys being in the Confederate Army.

"....My sister, Mrs. Charity Kerr and my sister-in-law, Mrs.Nannie McCorkle,...went to Kansas City in a wagon...with a load of wheat to exchange it for flour....Anderson Cowgill...reported to the authorities that these two women were rebels and were buying flour to feed the bushwhackers. They were immediately arrested and placed in jail with some other girls, who had been arrested and sentenced to be banished....

"...and here I copy the following description of what occurred as given by Mrs. Flora Stevens, as she stood at the grave of Josephine Anderson and published in the Kansas City Post,under date of May2,1912.

(continued)

 

[Stranger]

(continued from post #1) This from Flora Stevens:

"There were nine of these girls in the prison at 1409 Grand Avenue, when it fell. One of these was Josephine Anderson. Her two sister, Mollie, aged sixteen,and Janie, ten years old,were also prisoners with her,and it was these three especially that the Union soldiers wanted to kill because they were sisters of Bill Anderson, the guerrila....When the soldiers heard that Bill Anderson's sisters were in their power,they determined to kill them. The first inkling of the plot was when Mrs. B.F. Duke,...heard some of the soldiers who were staying at her house speak of the progress they were making in tearing down a wall. Mrs. Duke was a cousin of Bill Anderson, but the soldiers did not know it and told her of the scheme, and how they had removed a large section of the foundation wall of the woman's prison.....

"...The building did not fall the first day, so more of the wall was removed and it was at this time that Mrs. Duke learned of it. She was beside herself with rage and ordered all the soldiers from the house With a number of friends she hurried to the military headquarters and begged that the girls be taken from the building before they were killed. Their pleadings were in vain and an hour later the building fell...The guard, evidently repenting at the last moment, carried...two girls to safety.

"Janie Anderson,who was the youngest, tried to escape through a window, but a twelve pound ball that had been chained to her ankle held her back and both her legs were broken. The other girls went down with the ruins. There were groans and screams for a long time, and Josephine Anderson could be heard calling for someone to take the bricks off her head. Finally her cries ceased."

Quotes now are from Quantrill's scout McCorkle.

"This foul murder was the direct cause of the famous raid on Lawrence, Kansas. We could stand no more. Imagine, if you can, my feelings. A loved sister foully murdered and the widow of a dead brother seriously hurt by a set of men to whom the name of assassins, murderers and cutthroats would be a compliment. People abuse us, but, my God, did we not have enough to make us desperate and thirst for revenge? We tried to fight like soldiers but were declared outlaws, hunted under a black flag and murdered like beasts. The homes of our friends burned, our aged sires, who dared sympathize with us had been either hung or shot in the presence of their famalies and all their furniture and provisions loaded in wagons and with our live stock taken to the state of Kansas.

"...And now our innocent and beautiful girls had been murdered in a most foul, brutal, savage and damnable manner. We were determined to have revenge, and so Colonel Quantrill and Captain Anderson planned a raid on Lawrence, Kansas the home of the leaders, Jim Lane and Jennison."

Stranger

 

[FHII]

Ohh I can't wait to join this conversation as I love American History, especially Civil War era history!

Bloody Bill Anderson and William Quantrill were men I use to admire. But one of them publically cursed God. I think it was Bill. I support the South wanting to suceed but don't support slavery. I also support the north preventing thw south leaving. Yea... Its complicated!

But what William and Bloody Bill did was thuggary. Was the north wrong? Absolutely! What happened in Lawrence, Kansas was all wrong!

 

[Marymog]

(continued from post #1) This from Flora Stevens:

"There were nine of these girls in the prison at 1409 Grand Avenue, when it fell. One of these was Josephine Anderson. Her two sister, Mollie, aged sixteen,and Janie, ten years old,were also prisoners with her,and it was these three especially that the Union soldiers wanted to kill because they were sisters of Bill Anderson, the guerrila....When the soldiers heard that Bill Anderson's sisters were in their power,they determined to kill them. The first inkling of the plot was when Mrs. B.F. Duke,...heard some of the soldiers who were staying at her house speak of the progress they were making in tearing down a wall. Mrs. Duke was a cousin of Bill Anderson, but the soldiers did not know it and told her of the scheme, and how they had removed a large section of the foundation wall of the woman's prison.....

"...The building did not fall the first day, so more of the wall was removed and it was at this time that Mrs. Duke learned of it. She was beside herself with rage and ordered all the soldiers from the house With a number of friends she hurried to the military headquarters and begged that the girls be taken from the building before they were killed. Their pleadings were in vain and an hour later the building fell...The guard, evidently repenting at the last moment, carried...two girls to safety.

"Janie Anderson,who was the youngest, tried to escape through a window, but a twelve pound ball that had been chained to her ankle held her back and both her legs were broken. The other girls went down with the ruins. There were groans and screams for a long time, and Josephine Anderson could be heard calling for someone to take the bricks off her head. Finally her cries ceased."

Quotes now are from Quantrill's scout McCorkle.

"This foul murder was the direct cause of the famous raid on Lawrence, Kansas. We could stand no more. Imagine, if you can, my feelings. A loved sister foully murdered and the widow of a dead brother seriously hurt by a set of men to whom the name of assassins, murderers and cutthroats would be a compliment. People abuse us, but, my God, did we not have enough to make us desperate and thirst for revenge? We tried to fight like soldiers but were declared outlaws, hunted under a black flag and murdered like beasts. The homes of our friends burned, our aged sires, who dared sympathize with us had been either hung or shot in the presence of their famalies and all their furniture and provisions loaded in wagons and with our live stock taken to the state of Kansas.

"...And now our innocent and beautiful girls had been murdered in a most foul, brutal, savage and damnable manner. We were determined to have revenge, and so Colonel Quantrill and Captain Anderson planned a raid on Lawrence, Kansas the home of the leaders, Jim Lane and Jennison."

Stranger

Thank you Stranger.

Let's start with why you quoted from a cohort of Quantrill?? Could his written testimony be biased?? You have simply regurgitated the a distorted view of what happened that day. A view from a person who is pro-Quantrill.

Does McCorkles recollection of what happened that day change the fact the Quantrill was pro-slavery, was stealing goods out of other people's cabins so he was banished from the community, killed a man under questionable circumstances so was told to leave town by the city Marshall and change the citizens of Lawrence Kansas version of what happened that day that Quantrill and his men killed 183 men and boys, dragging some from their homes to murder them in front of their families, and set the torch to much of the city.

Nothing you have quoted thus far changes my stance: I disapprove of respecting a man (any man) that has done things like this.

You respect him. I don't.

More to come.....once you address my questions. (preferably with concise answers)

Historical Mary

BTW....the book you quoted from was written five decades after the war

 

[Stranger]

Thank you Stranger.

Let's start with why you quoted from a cohort of Quantrill?? Could his written testimony be biased?? You have simply regurgitated the a distorted view of what happened that day. A view from a person who is pro-Quantrill.

Does McCorkles recollection of what happened that day change the fact the Quantrill was pro-slavery, was stealing goods out of other people's cabins so he was banished from the community, killed a man under questionable circumstances so was told to leave town by the city Marshall and change the citizens of Lawrence Kansas version of what happened that day that Quantrill and his men killed 183 men and boys, dragging some from their homes to murder them in front of their families, and set the torch to much of the city.

Nothing you have quoted thus far changes my stance: I disapprove of respecting a man (any man) that has done things like this.

You respect him. I don't.

More to come.....once you address my questions. (preferably with concise answers)

Historical Mary

BTW....the book you quoted from was written five decades after the war

And who better to give an eye witness account than one who rode with Quantrill. It is called 'source' material. Something you should appreciate as a history teacher.

No, it doesn't change the fact that Quantrill was pro-slavery. That is not why I presented it. It explains why Lawrence Kansas was attacked. And whose account are you relying on in the accusations of 'stealing goods', changing the story of Lawrence Kansas, and murder. It was war, and this was a product of it.

I don't care that you don't respect him. It is you that cares that I do. You reject source material because it is given by one who rode with him, yet you will believe the yankee version, as if their goal is to tell you the truth. The winnner writes the history Mary. Don't you know that? But we in the South remember also, and are capeable of writing history.

I am not hopeful of 'more to come'. You don't produce much of anything and when you come back years later it is to moan about your questions not answered.

Stranger

 

[Marymog]

And who better to give an eye witness account than one who rode with Quantrill. It is called 'source' material. Something you should appreciate as a history teacher.

No, it doesn't change the fact that Quantrill was pro-slavery. That is not why I presented it. It explains why Lawrence Kansas was attacked. And whose account are you relying on in the accusations of 'stealing goods', changing the story of Lawrence Kansas, and murder. It was war, and this was a product of it.

I don't care that you don't respect him. It is you that cares that I do. You reject source material because it is given by one who rode with him, yet you will believe the yankee version, as if their goal is to tell you the truth. The winnner writes the history Mary. Don't you know that? But we in the South remember also, and are capeable of writing history.

I am not hopeful of 'more to come'. You don't produce much of anything and when you come back years later it is to moan about your questions not answered.

Stranger

Here is the "more to come". Are you more hopeful now???

I rely on source material all the time. You have presented only ONE source who is BIASED and recounted the events about 50 YEARS after it happened. I rely on multiple sources and discern the truth from all of them.

Are you familiar with the "source" material of Reverend Richard Cordley?? What are your thoughts on what he wrote??

Curious and Historical Mary

 

[Stranger]

Here is the "more to come". Are you more hopeful now???

I rely on source material all the time. You have presented only ONE source who is BIASED and recounted the events about 50 YEARS after it happened. I rely on multiple sources and discern the truth from all of them.

Are you familiar with the "source" material of Reverend Richard Cordley?? What are your thoughts on what he wrote??

Curious and Historical Mary

I have presented one source that rode with Quantrill.

No, I am not familiar with Rev. Richard Cordley. Tell me about him.

Stranger

 

[Marymog]

I have presented one source that rode with Quantrill.

No, I am not familiar with Rev. Richard Cordley. Tell me about him.

Stranger

I thought you would appreciate "source material" so I am glad you want me to tell you about him.

My SOURCE, along with McCorkle as a source with some caveat, is a letter written by Reverend Richard Cordley who was the pastor of the Congregational Church and eye witness to Quantrill’s Raid on Lawrence in 1863 was published by J.S. Broughton of Lawrence, Kansas in 1865. The letter was furnished to the Congressional Record a few days after the event. Cordley’s letter included the personal experience and observations of a number of residents who escaped the general slaughter.

Which source should this historian rely on most? One that is written days after the event or 50 years after the event?

Who is more believable? Cordley and his writings within days of the massacre or McCorkle who tells the story 50 years later??

Mary

 

[Marymog]

(continued from post #1) This from Flora Stevens:

"There were nine of these girls in the prison at 1409 Grand Avenue, when it fell. One of these was Josephine Anderson. Her two sister, Mollie, aged sixteen,and Janie, ten years old,were also prisoners with her,and it was these three especially that the Union soldiers wanted to kill because they were sisters of Bill Anderson, the guerrila....When the soldiers heard that Bill Anderson's sisters were in their power,they determined to kill them. The first inkling of the plot was when Mrs. B.F. Duke,...heard some of the soldiers who were staying at her house speak of the progress they were making in tearing down a wall. Mrs. Duke was a cousin of Bill Anderson, but the soldiers did not know it and told her of the scheme, and how they had removed a large section of the foundation wall of the woman's prison.....

"...The building did not fall the first day, so more of the wall was removed and it was at this time that Mrs. Duke learned of it. She was beside herself with rage and ordered all the soldiers from the house With a number of friends she hurried to the military headquarters and begged that the girls be taken from the building before they were killed. Their pleadings were in vain and an hour later the building fell...The guard, evidently repenting at the last moment, carried...two girls to safety.

"Janie Anderson,who was the youngest, tried to escape through a window, but a twelve pound ball that had been chained to her ankle held her back and both her legs were broken. The other girls went down with the ruins. There were groans and screams for a long time, and Josephine Anderson could be heard calling for someone to take the bricks off her head. Finally her cries ceased."

Quotes now are from Quantrill's scout McCorkle.

"This foul murder was the direct cause of the famous raid on Lawrence, Kansas. We could stand no more. Imagine, if you can, my feelings. A loved sister foully murdered and the widow of a dead brother seriously hurt by a set of men to whom the name of assassins, murderers and cutthroats would be a compliment. People abuse us, but, my God, did we not have enough to make us desperate and thirst for revenge? We tried to fight like soldiers but were declared outlaws, hunted under a black flag and murdered like beasts. The homes of our friends burned, our aged sires, who dared sympathize with us had been either hung or shot in the presence of their famalies and all their furniture and provisions loaded in wagons and with our live stock taken to the state of Kansas.

"...And now our innocent and beautiful girls had been murdered in a most foul, brutal, savage and damnable manner. We were determined to have revenge, and so Colonel Quantrill and Captain Anderson planned a raid on Lawrence, Kansas the home of the leaders, Jim Lane and Jennison."

Stranger

Hi Stranger,

Have you actually read the book?

Did you know that McCorkle either lied in the book or has a very bad memory?

He tells the story about the Tate house fight like he was there and participated in it. HOWEVER, the fight actually occurred four months before McCorkle joined Quantrill. McCorkle said that 40 Union soldiers died in that fight but the truth is, and according to the historical record of the fight by Major Charles Banzhof, only one Union soldier was killed in the fight.

Sooooo how reliable is McCorkle??

Historical Mary

 

[Stranger]

I thought you would appreciate "source material" so I am glad you want me to tell you about him.

My SOURCE, along with McCorkle as a source with some caveat, is a letter written by Reverend Richard Cordley who was the pastor of the Congregational Church and eye witness to Quantrill’s Raid on Lawrence in 1863 was published by J.S. Broughton of Lawrence, Kansas in 1865. The letter was furnished to the Congressional Record a few days after the event. Cordley’s letter included the personal experience and observations of a number of residents who escaped the general slaughter.

Which source should this historian rely on most? One that is written days after the event or 50 years after the event?

Who is more believable? Cordley and his writings within days of the massacre or McCorkle who tells the story 50 years later??

Mary

Well by all means present what Cordley wrote.

You ask who should be more believeable? First of all, yankee churchman were just as bias as anyone else. And the yankee christianity had morphed into a 'social christianity' instead of a Bible believing Christianity. The Jesus Christ of the yankee culture was not the Jesus Christ of the Bible. But go ahead, tell me what he said.

And why wouldn't McCorkle's story be believable? Fifty years later just means the prejudice of the day would have subsided. Which means your yankee churchman, would have been speaking out of his prejudice and bias.


Stranger

 

[Stranger]

Hi Stranger,

Have you actually read the book?

Did you know that McCorkle either lied in the book or has a very bad memory?

He tells the story about the Tate house fight like he was there and participated in it. HOWEVER, the fight actually occurred four months before McCorkle joined Quantrill. McCorkle said that 40 Union soldiers died in that fight but the truth is, and according to the historical record of the fight by Major Charles Banzhof, only one Union soldier was killed in the fight.

Sooooo how reliable is McCorkle??

Historical Mary

I not only read the book, I have the book. Give me the page numbers you are talking about. And what 'historical record' are you talking about from Banzhof?

Stranger

 

[Marymog]

Well by all means present what Cordley wrote.

You ask who should be more believeable? First of all, yankee churchman were just as bias as anyone else. And the yankee christianity had morphed into a 'social christianity' instead of a Bible believing Christianity. The Jesus Christ of the yankee culture was not the Jesus Christ of the Bible. But go ahead, tell me what he said.

And why wouldn't McCorkle's story be believable? Fifty years later just means the prejudice of the day would have subsided. Which means your yankee churchman, would have been speaking out of his prejudice and bias.


Stranger

Got it. You are the judge of who is a "Bible believing Christian". Kind of like the bible believing southerner's who used the Bible to justify the owning of another human being???? You have judged them to be Bible believing. Fascinating

You ask why wouldn't McCorkle's story be believable? I refer you to post #9

Mary

 

[Marymog]

I not only read the book, I have the book. Give me the page numbers you are talking about. And what 'historical record' are you talking about from Banzhof?

Stranger

Lol....If you have the book AND you have read it then read it again.

go to this website: google

Cut and paste this into the search box: Major Charles Banzhof

When you are ready for step three, let me know.

Earlier you said you were not familiar with Reverend Cordley. I helped you with that. Now, help yourself.

Historical Mary

 

[Stranger]

Got it. You are the judge of who is a "Bible believing Christian". Kind of like the bible believing southerner's who used the Bible to justify the owning of another human being???? You have judged them to be Bible believing. Fascinating

You ask why wouldn't McCorkle's story be believable? I refer you to post #9

Mary

Mary, Mary, the condition of yankee Christianity during the time of the war between the states should be of no surprise to you a history teacher. It is not me that is a judge, it is history.

And I refer you to post #11. Give me what your man says. Give me the source where it came from. Give me the page numbers where McCorkle said what you said he did, but lied.

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

Lol....If you have the book AND you have read it then read it again.

go to this website: google

Cut and paste this into the search box: Major Charles Banzhof

When you are ready for step three, let me know.

Earlier you said you were not familiar with Reverend Cordley. I helped you with that. Now, help yourself.

Historical Mary

No, you didn't do anything but go to some link somewhere.

When I commented on my source, McCorkle, I gave you the exact quotes from the book and gave you the page number. You give me nothing. Why. Because you don't know what your talking about. Your knowledge is based first of all, on your prejudice. And then you support it in finding a link that supports your prejudice.

So, no. You are no help.

Stranger

 

[Marymog]

No, you didn't do anything but go to some link somewhere.

When I commented on my source, McCorkle, I gave you the exact quotes from the book and gave you the page number. You give me nothing. Why. Because you don't know what your talking about. Your knowledge is based first of all, on your prejudice. And then you support it in finding a link that supports your prejudice.

So, no. You are no help.

Stranger

Wow....you couldn't even do step one

Major Charles Banzhof, commanding First Battalion Missouri Cavalry, a Report of Colonel Robert B. Mitchell, Second Kansas Cavalry.

HDQRS. SECOND REGIMENT KANSAS VOLUNTEERS,
Camp Blair, March 24, 1862.

MAJOR: I have the honor to report that on the night of the 22nd, in accordance with a request from and also in pursuance of a plan that I had been maturing for some time, I left camp with a detachment detailed from all the companies in this command, the detachment about 300 in number, with Majors Julius G. Fisk and James M. Pomeroy.

Quantrill, with a part of his gang, had burned the bridge between Kansas City and Independence, and it was contemplated by Major Charles Banzhof to march from Kansas City, and in conjunction with Colonel William Weer, Fourth Kansas, to surround and entrap Quantrill.

I left camp about 6.30 p. m. of the 22nd instant, reached Little Santa Fe about 10 o'clock that night, and sent Major James M. Pomeroy about 3 miles from the town, with instructions to arrest one David Tate, whom I had reason to believe was connected with Quantrill. Major James M. Pomeroy had with him a detachment of Companies D and E, under command of Captain Amaziah Moore and Lieutenant Elias S. Stover. When Major James M. Pomeroy reached the house he demanded entrance, and a gun was immediately fired through the door. He then called upon them to surrender, and to send out their women and children if they had any in the house. After waiting some time, while shots were fired from the house, he ordered a volley to be fired into the house.

The cries of women were then herd, when he ordered the men to cease firing. The women and children then came out and firing was resumed on both sides. Two of the men then came of one the windows and surrendered. They stated to major James M. Pomeroy that Quantrill was in the house with 26 men. Major James M. Pomeroy then threatened to fire the house, and upon their continued refusal to surrender he ordered the house to be fired, and an attempt was made to fire it, but without success. Major James M. Pomeroy and Private William T. Wills, of Company D, were at this time shot. Major James M. Pomeroy becoming disabled, Captain Amaziah Moore took command, and sent back to me requesting re-enforcements, so as not to let any of the men escape.

Captain Amaziah moore the house and they still refusing so to do, he ordered the house to be against set on fire, and this time the flames rapidly involved the house. The men in the house who were not wounded then burst out the weather boarding at the back of the house and ran for the timber immediately in the rear. Two were shot down as they ran - 1 killed instantly and 1 mortally wounded, who died about 3 o'clock in the afternoon. The others escaped, and though the woods were carefully scoured, no traces of them were found. While the firing was taking several men were seen to fall in the house, and the prisoners stated when they were first taken that there were 4 or 5 wounded. Five bodies could be distinctly seen in the flames at the time I reached the spot with that Part of the command which was left behind. I caused all the horses and horses equipments of the enemy to be gathered together and guarded and remained at the house until 6.30 o'clock in the morning, when I started for the house of one Wyatt. As we nearer the house 6 or 7 men were seen to break from it into the brush immediately adjoining the premises. I immediately dismounted some of my men and sent them into the brush, but succeeded in capturing only 2.

The command being without provisions, and being satisfied that Quantrill and those of his gang who had been in the locality had undoubtedly fled, I returned to the Tate House and started back to camp, leaving Captain Amaziah Moore's command, with 1 wounded. We reached camp about 4 o'clock yesterday afternoon. I had previously sent Lieutenant John F. Aduddell with 15 men to procure conveyance for the wounded and to take the stock and other property found at Tate's. He passed me on the way back to Tate's, and arrived with Captain Amaziah Moore's command and the wounded last night at 8 o'clock.

Our loss was as follows: Major James M. Pomeroy, severely wounded with a Minnie ball in the right thigh near the femoral artery; Private William T. Wills, of Company D, since died, with a Minnie ball in the right arm near the shoulder, and also with buck-shot in the groin and abdomen. We also lost 2 horses in the fight. The jayhawkers' loss was 5 killed or wounded and burned up in the house, 2 killed outside, and 6 prisoners. we took 25 horses, some of which have already been identified as belonging to parties in this State, from whom they were stolen, and about 20 sets of horse equipments. The 2 men killed outside of the house were named Rollen (brothers). The names of those killed and burned up in the house I am unable to ascertain.

I desire to express my gratitude to Major James M. Pomeroy, who after he was wounded still cheered on his men; to Captain Amaziah Moore, Lieutenant Elias S. Stover, and the men of their immediate command, for their gallantry and good behavior.

I have the honor to be, your very obedient servant, ROBT. B. MITCHELL, Colonel Second Regiment Kansas Volunteer Cavalry.

 

[Stranger]

Wow....you couldn't even do step one

Major Charles Banzhof, commanding First Battalion Missouri Cavalry, a Report of Colonel Robert B. Mitchell, Second Kansas Cavalry.

HDQRS. SECOND REGIMENT KANSAS VOLUNTEERS,
Camp Blair, March 24, 1862.

MAJOR: I have the honor to report that on the night of the 22nd, in accordance with a request from and also in pursuance of a plan that I had been maturing for some time, I left camp with a detachment detailed from all the companies in this command, the detachment about 300 in number, with Majors Julius G. Fisk and James M. Pomeroy.

Quantrill, with a part of his gang, had burned the bridge between Kansas City and Independence, and it was contemplated by Major Charles Banzhof to march from Kansas City, and in conjunction with Colonel William Weer, Fourth Kansas, to surround and entrap Quantrill.

I left camp about 6.30 p. m. of the 22nd instant, reached Little Santa Fe about 10 o'clock that night, and sent Major James M. Pomeroy about 3 miles from the town, with instructions to arrest one David Tate, whom I had reason to believe was connected with Quantrill. Major James M. Pomeroy had with him a detachment of Companies D and E, under command of Captain Amaziah Moore and Lieutenant Elias S. Stover. When Major James M. Pomeroy reached the house he demanded entrance, and a gun was immediately fired through the door. He then called upon them to surrender, and to send out their women and children if they had any in the house. After waiting some time, while shots were fired from the house, he ordered a volley to be fired into the house.

The cries of women were then herd, when he ordered the men to cease firing. The women and children then came out and firing was resumed on both sides. Two of the men then came of one the windows and surrendered. They stated to major James M. Pomeroy that Quantrill was in the house with 26 men. Major James M. Pomeroy then threatened to fire the house, and upon their continued refusal to surrender he ordered the house to be fired, and an attempt was made to fire it, but without success. Major James M. Pomeroy and Private William T. Wills, of Company D, were at this time shot. Major James M. Pomeroy becoming disabled, Captain Amaziah Moore took command, and sent back to me requesting re-enforcements, so as not to let any of the men escape.

Captain Amaziah moore the house and they still refusing so to do, he ordered the house to be against set on fire, and this time the flames rapidly involved the house. The men in the house who were not wounded then burst out the weather boarding at the back of the house and ran for the timber immediately in the rear. Two were shot down as they ran - 1 killed instantly and 1 mortally wounded, who died about 3 o'clock in the afternoon. The others escaped, and though the woods were carefully scoured, no traces of them were found. While the firing was taking several men were seen to fall in the house, and the prisoners stated when they were first taken that there were 4 or 5 wounded. Five bodies could be distinctly seen in the flames at the time I reached the spot with that Part of the command which was left behind. I caused all the horses and horses equipments of the enemy to be gathered together and guarded and remained at the house until 6.30 o'clock in the morning, when I started for the house of one Wyatt. As we nearer the house 6 or 7 men were seen to break from it into the brush immediately adjoining the premises. I immediately dismounted some of my men and sent them into the brush, but succeeded in capturing only 2.

The command being without provisions, and being satisfied that Quantrill and those of his gang who had been in the locality had undoubtedly fled, I returned to the Tate House and started back to camp, leaving Captain Amaziah Moore's command, with 1 wounded. We reached camp about 4 o'clock yesterday afternoon. I had previously sent Lieutenant John F. Aduddell with 15 men to procure conveyance for the wounded and to take the stock and other property found at Tate's. He passed me on the way back to Tate's, and arrived with Captain Amaziah Moore's command and the wounded last night at 8 o'clock.

Our loss was as follows: Major James M. Pomeroy, severely wounded with a Minnie ball in the right thigh near the femoral artery; Private William T. Wills, of Company D, since died, with a Minnie ball in the right arm near the shoulder, and also with buck-shot in the groin and abdomen. We also lost 2 horses in the fight. The jayhawkers' loss was 5 killed or wounded and burned up in the house, 2 killed outside, and 6 prisoners. we took 25 horses, some of which have already been identified as belonging to parties in this State, from whom they were stolen, and about 20 sets of horse equipments. The 2 men killed outside of the house were named Rollen (brothers). The names of those killed and burned up in the house I am unable to ascertain.

I desire to express my gratitude to Major James M. Pomeroy, who after he was wounded still cheered on his men; to Captain Amaziah Moore, Lieutenant Elias S. Stover, and the men of their immediate command, for their gallantry and good behavior.

I have the honor to be, your very obedient servant, ROBT. B. MITCHELL, Colonel Second Regiment Kansas Volunteer Cavalry.

Interesting reading. What is it suppose to prove? And why does he call Quantrills men, 'jayhawkers'? That is a terrible error.

Stranger

 

[Marymog]

No, you didn't do anything but go to some link somewhere.

When I commented on my source, McCorkle, I gave you the exact quotes from the book and gave you the page number. You give me nothing. Why. Because you don't know what your talking about. Your knowledge is based first of all, on your prejudice. And then you support it in finding a link that supports your prejudice.

So, no. You are no help.

Stranger

Ok....I will help you once again since I am a dedicated teacher. Work with me a little bit here.

When (month/year) did McCorkle join Quantrill (hint page 28-29).

Historical Mary

 

[Marymog]

I thought this was going to be a lesson for historical Mary. So far it has only been a lesson for @Stranger

I look forward to the next lesson.

All in fun....Mary

 

[Stranger]

Ok....I will help you once again since I am a dedicated teacher. Work with me a little bit here.

When (month/year) did McCorkle join Quantrill (hint page 28-29).

Historical Mary

Do you have the book? Yes/No? Check post #1. I gave the publishing co. and copyright date. If those are not the same you will probably have different page numbers. Or are you just getting this from the internet?

Wherever you are getting it, there is nothing on page 28-29 to indicate the date you are asking about. Give me the chapter it is found in, as that should not change. And I will look for it. I looked briefly through the book and could not see a date given where he joined.

Is this what you are going to rely on? You simply want to find some descrepancy in the book and so the story he told about the murder of his and his mens sisters is not to be believed?

Stranger