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When Adam and Eve were in the Garden, the were naked, meaning that they were vulnerable and intimate with God. They were without ego or false self. When they decided to break this trust, the relationship between themselves and God changed and the relationship between themselves and their neighbor changed - they were still vulnerable, but it was no longer safe - God knitted them clothing out of animal skins - i believe the clothing is our false self - the opinions, thoughts, emotion we hide behind. It is needed to navigate a Fallen world, but it is also the part of us Jesus does not know.
During contemplation, you can be in a state separate from thought, feelings and opinion (which we mistake for will and sometimes our true self) and just be with God. This space is refreshing and renewing - God’s presence is healing and it really changes you.
That is correct according to Scripture.
1. SELF KNOWLEDGE: For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. (Rom 7:18)
2. LOVE: Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins... We love him, because he first loved us. (1 John 4:10,19)
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Mine unraveled about the same time...forty. Well it had always been unraveling but at forty, I finally noticed.
Yep.
Faith sure takes over when life kicks you in the teeth...
All you can do is let things unfold and love through it
I like it, I thought I had finally come to know myself until the Holy Spirit began revealing things in my heart that I never saw or realized about myself. So now I am in a resting phase as He is doing a new work in me and I am convinced when He is done that I will know myself as I know Him, see myself as He sees me and I might actually be pleasantly surprised for a change...lol
p.s. I missed you guys too much had to come back....but really I got to keep it balanced....I was spending too much time here and not enough with Him and He let me know about it. :)
p.s. I missed you guys too much had to come back....but really I got to keep it balanced....I was spending too much time here and not enough with Him and He let me know about it. :)
So glad you came back H2H! "I was spending too much time here and not enough with Him " <---He has been letting me know the same, yes-balance is good...Welcome back :)
I looked up contemplation, because I was just thinking the definition "thinking." But it is really a deeper thought.
noun
- the action of looking thoughtfully at something for a long time.
Writing God's Word on the tablets of our heart though takes that contemplation.
It is why I started scripture memory again, because for me, it helps me meditate on it more rather then just reading it. It is hard to get head knowledge into the heart sometimes. But God works. :)
Yes. You do understand. What is left is true self in communion with God. Undefinable without God.
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Are you suggesting a trance-like state "beyond thought and emotion"? Like the whirling dervishes of Sufism?
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The way it seems to be is that we can know our past self by truly reflecting on what and how we were, this can be quite reveling if one is truthful to them self! After which we can then realize, as I did and loath my past person. And yes I had others tell me, what is wrong with you! I soon realized that what I thought I was, compared to what a dozen other people thought, well it boils down to the odds, 12 against 1.
That was before I became a believer. How we walk, behave and interact with others today is only by the Grace of God and Savior, They are our example's!
Indeed! Also, if we remember to bring our false self in line with our true self in already in union with God, we will be better at loving outwardly/doing God’s will
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imo by denying themselves, and seems like self-knowledge would precede love to me, so maybe better if i don't get involved here lol
ah, i don't entirely agree with the quote so i better not. If "knowledge must precede love, and only when she has attained love, can she strive to follow and to clothe herself with the truth," then by extension this knowledge must not be truth, right. Meaning little children love just fine without this knowledge i guess.
but i hesitate to say this bc imo the quote does have good intentions, just bad premises.
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hmm, are you sure? i know that seems intuitive, but we are conflicted, and imo two diff "selves" are being portrayed there...if that makes any sense? i could not know my true self at all and still deny the self i do know, couldn't i? i'll have to reflect on you must deny yourself to know yourself more first i guess
really i should prolly catch up here first lol, might be reiterating now
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